Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 I have been thinking about what my life is, and here are three versions (out of an infinite number of possibilities): 1. I am only my physical body and my consciousness is the result of electro-chemical processes in the brain. When the body dies, then consciousness also dies. 2. I am eternal consciousness and my body is only a form within consciousness. My body will grow older and die, but consciousness will remain untouched. 3. I am eternal consciousness and I will be able to change my body so that it will not grow older and die. The whole world is just Maya, a huge Universal Playstation operated from indestructible consciousness. I am currently in the first version, but I am thinking about the possibility to move into the second version. Eckhart Tolle says: " If you only know yourself as form, you don't know who you are " He is very adamant in pointing out that we are the formless One Life. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Anders, Next time you go and visit Mr. Tolle and kick his ass and see his reactions. 1. How will he react if he is not the bódy ? 2. How will he react if he is the body but writes books and gives lectures that he isn't the body ? 3. How will he react if he is just a hypocrite making moeny as Mr. Tolle Superstar ? 4. How will the body react if there is no soul and no imagined identity called Mr. Tolle Superstar ? 5. What will you do if you give a damn shit what Mr. Toole says or doesn't say ? Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > I have been thinking about what my life is, and here are three > versions (out of an infinite number of possibilities): > > 1. I am only my physical body and my consciousness is the result of > electro-chemical processes in the brain. When the body dies, then > consciousness also dies. > > 2. I am eternal consciousness and my body is only a form within > consciousness. My body will grow older and die, but consciousness will > remain untouched. > > 3. I am eternal consciousness and I will be able to change my body so > that it will not grow older and die. The whole world is just Maya, a > huge Universal Playstation operated from indestructible consciousness. > > I am currently in the first version, but I am thinking about the > possibility to move into the second version. Eckhart Tolle says: " If > you only know yourself as form, you don't know who you are " He is very > adamant in pointing out that we are the formless One Life. > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 I don't know if Tolle is a fake or not. Maybe he actually believes in what he says but is only fooling himself and trying to fool others. That's why I am myself at version 1 of what I am, and that is a physical body that will die, and along with the body, consciousness also dies. I am not sure however, and I am trying to see if I am more than only my physical body. A BELIEF in being more than a body is not going to get me anywhere. I am waiting for a real understanding, and I may have to wait all the way to my grave and then I maybe will be gone! :-) al. Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Anders, > > Next time you go and visit Mr. Tolle and kick his ass and see his > reactions. > > 1. How will he react if he is not the bódy ? > > 2. How will he react if he is the body but writes books and gives > lectures that he isn't the body ? > > 3. How will he react if he is just a hypocrite making moeny as Mr. > Tolle Superstar ? > > 4. How will the body react if there is no soul and no imagined > identity called Mr. Tolle Superstar ? > > 5. What will you do if you give a damn shit what Mr. Toole says or > doesn't say ? > > Werner > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > I have been thinking about what my life is, and here are three > > versions (out of an infinite number of possibilities): > > > > 1. I am only my physical body and my consciousness is the result of > > electro-chemical processes in the brain. When the body dies, then > > consciousness also dies. > > > > 2. I am eternal consciousness and my body is only a form within > > consciousness. My body will grow older and die, but consciousness > will > > remain untouched. > > > > 3. I am eternal consciousness and I will be able to change my body > so > > that it will not grow older and die. The whole world is just Maya, a > > huge Universal Playstation operated from indestructible > consciousness. > > > > I am currently in the first version, but I am thinking about the > > possibility to move into the second version. Eckhart Tolle says: " If > > you only know yourself as form, you don't know who you are " He is > very > > adamant in pointing out that we are the formless One Life. > > > > al. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Fine, Anders, Now you already are getting to the real point to start from: No beliefs, no expectations. Those just will fool you. Without them you have the clarity to inquire. Good luck, Anders. Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > I don't know if Tolle is a fake or not. Maybe he actually believes in > what he says but is only fooling himself and trying to fool others. > That's why I am myself at version 1 of what I am, and that is a > physical body that will die, and along with the body, consciousness > also dies. I am not sure however, and I am trying to see if I am more > than only my physical body. A BELIEF in being more than a body is not > going to get me anywhere. I am waiting for a real understanding, and I > may have to wait all the way to my grave and then I maybe will be > gone! :-) > > al. > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Anders, > > > > Next time you go and visit Mr. Tolle and kick his ass and see his > > reactions. > > > > 1. How will he react if he is not the bódy ? > > > > 2. How will he react if he is the body but writes books and gives > > lectures that he isn't the body ? > > > > 3. How will he react if he is just a hypocrite making moeny as Mr. > > Tolle Superstar ? > > > > 4. How will the body react if there is no soul and no imagined > > identity called Mr. Tolle Superstar ? > > > > 5. What will you do if you give a damn shit what Mr. Toole says or > > doesn't say ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > I have been thinking about what my life is, and here are three > > > versions (out of an infinite number of possibilities): > > > > > > 1. I am only my physical body and my consciousness is the result of > > > electro-chemical processes in the brain. When the body dies, then > > > consciousness also dies. > > > > > > 2. I am eternal consciousness and my body is only a form within > > > consciousness. My body will grow older and die, but consciousness > > will > > > remain untouched. > > > > > > 3. I am eternal consciousness and I will be able to change my body > > so > > > that it will not grow older and die. The whole world is just Maya, a > > > huge Universal Playstation operated from indestructible > > consciousness. > > > > > > I am currently in the first version, but I am thinking about the > > > possibility to move into the second version. Eckhart Tolle says: " If > > > you only know yourself as form, you don't know who you are " He is > > very > > > adamant in pointing out that we are the formless One Life. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Fine, Anders, > > Now you already are getting to the real point to start from: > > No beliefs, no expectations. > > Those just will fool you. Without them you have the clarity to > inquire. > > Good luck, Anders. > > Werner That might be true......if there were as you that existed outside of your beliefs and expectations. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Thats even better Toomb, But if your grand ma could grasp that ? Werner Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Fine, Anders, > > > > Now you already are getting to the real point to start from: > > > > No beliefs, no expectations. > > > > Those just will fool you. Without them you have the clarity to > > inquire. > > > > Good luck, Anders. > > > > Werner > > > That might be true......if there were as you that existed outside of > your beliefs and expectations. > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Thats even better Toomb, > > But if your grand ma could grasp that ? > > Werner > > Alas..........no-one can grasp that....... One touch............and 'you' are gone. toombaru > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Fine, Anders, > > > > > > Now you already are getting to the real point to start from: > > > > > > No beliefs, no expectations. > > > > > > Those just will fool you. Without them you have the clarity to > > > inquire. > > > > > > Good luck, Anders. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > That might be true......if there were a you that existed outside > of > > your beliefs and expectations. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 In a message dated 10/25/2005 5:48:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bachan19 writes: Have you ever look at your photo album? When you look at your photos when you are a child you will say, " This is me as a child " . " This is me a teenager, this is me an adult and so on. The person who says, " This is me...... " is the witness who does not change. Only the body changes from young to old. You do not change. You are eternal. Hope, this might help. Thank You. Well, actually, from my perspective, what's being described here is still ego. It's the sense of a personal 'me', even though the body and memories change. The 'I' might be glimpsed by first detaching from thought/feeling and any sense that the body or the thoughts are who you are. This is done based on the awareness that whatever you can observe is not who you are. You can observe your body and watch your thoughts arise and so you cannot be the body or the thoughts. You cannot be the thinker because, if you were, you would be in control of the thoughts. If you inquire as to from whence thought arises, you find there is no thinker which initiates a thought. There would need to be a decision making process involved in the initiation of the thought, and this, itself, is a thought. This positions you as the passive observer of what can fairly easily be seen as a rather mechanical process of physical activity and thoughts which arise and fall without any apparent volition on your part. It will be noticed that this requires a total acceptance of what is, with a suspension of any desire to have something occur that is not occurring. With a little practice, it begins to feel much like riding a bike, or any other 'programmed' activity. It will be noticed that, contrary to expectations, one can go about various daily tasks, and often complete them more efficiently, without any apparent decision making process or thinkingness involved. This is not always the case, of course. This observer mode is possible because ego is not actually in control of it's experiences to begin with, it's simply an identity that is overlaid onto a mechanism that performs without volition. Although this is still not your true identity, from this perspective, it may be possible to notice that what you are is that ground of awareness that makes it possible to observe. That impersonal awareness is what you are, unchanging and unchanged by what is seemingly occurring in the human dreamscape. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Have you ever look at your photo album? When you look at your photos when you are a child you will say, " This is me as a child " . " This is me a teenager, this is me an adult and so on. The person who says, " This is me...... " is the witness who does not change. Only the body changes from young to old. You do not change. You are eternal. Hope, this might help. Thank You. anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote: I don't know if Tolle is a fake or not. Maybe he actually believes in what he says but is only fooling himself and trying to fool others. That's why I am myself at version 1 of what I am, and that is a physical body that will die, and along with the body, consciousness also dies. I am not sure however, and I am trying to see if I am more than only my physical body. A BELIEF in being more than a body is not going to get me anywhere. I am waiting for a real understanding, and I may have to wait all the way to my grave and then I maybe will be gone! :-) al. Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Anders, > > Next time you go and visit Mr. Tolle and kick his ass and see his > reactions. > > 1. How will he react if he is not the bódy ? > > 2. How will he react if he is the body but writes books and gives > lectures that he isn't the body ? > > 3. How will he react if he is just a hypocrite making moeny as Mr. > Tolle Superstar ? > > 4. How will the body react if there is no soul and no imagined > identity called Mr. Tolle Superstar ? > > 5. What will you do if you give a damn shit what Mr. Toole says or > doesn't say ? > > Werner > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > I have been thinking about what my life is, and here are three > > versions (out of an infinite number of possibilities): > > > > 1. I am only my physical body and my consciousness is the result of > > electro-chemical processes in the brain. When the body dies, then > > consciousness also dies. > > > > 2. I am eternal consciousness and my body is only a form within > > consciousness. My body will grow older and die, but consciousness > will > > remain untouched. > > > > 3. I am eternal consciousness and I will be able to change my body > so > > that it will not grow older and die. The whole world is just Maya, a > > huge Universal Playstation operated from indestructible > consciousness. > > > > I am currently in the first version, but I am thinking about the > > possibility to move into the second version. Eckhart Tolle says: " If > > you only know yourself as form, you don't know who you are " He is > very > > adamant in pointing out that we are the formless One Life. > > > > al. > > > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 In a message dated 10/25/2005 9:53:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, anders_lindman writes: Also, I have (not only me) the idea that perhaps there is only now, and that the past is in reality " squeezed " into this moment, only this moment. What looks like 15 billion years from the Big Bang till today actually happens now, the Big Bang started now. See: http://www.platonia.com/ al. If we begin with your proposition of nothing existing but the moment of Now, and assume that any ideas about linear time are only conceptual, we can see that it's memory that actually creates this false perception of time. Memory is a human quality only, not existing outside of the illusion. In Reality, all things are known by virtue of being that, and there is no need for memory, nor is there the thinkingness present to search it. There is simply no meaning inherent to something that isn't 'being' now. Being is all there is. Nothing is occurring. One literally creates a sense of flowing time by reaching back into memory to a 'previous' moment of now, and projecting into a theoretical future that is implied by the perception of a past. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , bachan singh <bachan19> wrote: > > Have you ever look at your photo album? When you look at your photos when you are a child you will say, " This is me as a child " . " This is me a teenager, this is me an adult and so on. The person who says, " This is me...... " is the witness who does not change. > Only the body changes from young to old. You do not change. You are eternal. > Hope, this might help. > Thank You. > Also, I have (not only me) the idea that perhaps there is only now, and that the past is in reality " squeezed " into this moment, only this moment. What looks like 15 billion years from the Big Bang till today actually happens now, the Big Bang started now. See: http://www.platonia.com/ al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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