[NonDualPhil] Questioning Consciousness

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

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> In a message dated 10/25/2005 9:11:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> cptc@w... writes:

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> There is talk of there being a dream....but no dreamer.

> >

> > Any thoughts on that?

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> >

> >

> > Well, I don't how a dream would arise without a dreamer, although

> it could

> > be said that consciousness is operating under the delusion of

> limitation and is

> > therefore not what it perceives itself to be. This seems to be

> what 'causes'

> > the dream to occur.

> >

>

>

> Perhaps the delusion of limitation is the collapse of the wave

> function....out of which the dream of illusory separation emerges.

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>

>

> I have trouble conceptualizing how this occurs, perhaps wave

function is as

> good as any.

>

> Awareness is the totality of all that is, and lacks nothing and

therefore

> desires nothing. Awareness also does not perceive/experience in this

conceptual

> state because all that exists is already within it's own 'field'

since there

> is nothing outside of awareness, and the subject cannot perceive

itself

> without an object. Awareness, in this 'state' is static; it does

not create.

>

> And so, consciousness arises out of this awareness, (by what

volition, I

> don't know) and this consciousness is conscious by virtue of it's

unawareness of

> itself. This unawareness positions it as object to the purely

subjective

> awareness, through which awareness may perceive Self. If

consciousness becomes

> fully aware of Self, it dissolves back into awareness itself, since

it no

> longer distinguishes itself as object, and the circle is complete.

>

> From this it becomes clear that only consciousness that remains

ignorant of

> the totality of Self, can create illusion, or would create anything

at all. It

> CAN create illusion because it isn't aware of it's own wholeness.

It DOES

> create because it lacks wholeness, and therefore seeks wholeness.

Creation is

> the outpicturing of desire itself, which is why the exploration of

creation

> inevitably leads to the fulfillment of that desire for wholeness.

>

>

>

> Wei Wu Wei tells us that there in nothing beyond the dream.

>

> What say you?

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>

>

> If by " nothing " is meant physical creation, that seems clear, but

remember

> that awareness contains the illusion. From the perspective of the

One, there

> is not the immersion within the illusion but the illusion remains a

part of

> the One. I would suggest that there is isness (pure being)

>

> Phil

>

 

 

Here is an additional view. A bit speculative.

 

The universe is a state able to observe itself. This observation is

what we call the collapse of the one universal quantum mechanical

wavefuntion. The state of observation is not an event, it just IS. But

since the universe is a state able to observe itself, it also observes

itself observe itself and so on... This creates the arrow of time and

the arrow of evolution. Each seemingly separate observation is more

advanced than the previous observation because the new observation is

aware of the past observation PLUS the present observation.

 

We can call the state of being able to observe itself Awareness. And

the collapse of the one wavefunction generates the known universe in

the form of consciousness, the human form and the rest of the

universe. The present moment is like a Russian doll with dolls inside

dolls... The largest doll is the present moment, and the smaller dolls

within it are past moments; yet all dolls are observed into being now,

so there is no actual past separate from the now. The next moment will

be an even bigger doll, and so on. Each doll is separated by a

seemingly real time quantum (Planck time). We can actually count how

many dolls are in this moment simply by dividing the age of the known

universe, some 15 billion years with the Planck time constant.

 

The idea that time proceeds in discrete steps is not new. For example

in Loop Quantum Gravity we have " ...while at the same time employing

quantization of both space and time at the Planck scale in the

tradition of quantum mechanics "

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_quantum_gravity

 

al.