Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 In the same breath, I can say... I AM enlightened. and in the same breath, I can say... I am not enlightened. Yet, I see no contradiction between the two. I can say... I AM enlightened. Yet, I can't say, a 'person' is enlightened. When that person is 'eliminated'... what is still left is felt as Enlightenment! ....and, it is always Now. I AM enlightened. Not that I 'was'... enlightened. Not, I 'will be' enlightened. Not, I " want to " be enlightened. Past and future as well as 'want' belong to the person... ....and no 'person' has ever become enlightened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 .... Some traditions talk about yin and yang... some about light and dark... some about good and evil... some about God and Satan! ....yet, these are only the mode of Mind! What you call as... your mind! What you call as... my mind. The Mind contains it All! When the Mind ends its division... it is the Mind of All! The Mind without divisions is ...the Mind Of God! And, the mind of God contains the Satan Too! The God is too grand, too all-inclusive, all pervasive to allow Satan, evil, devil, dark and bad to have an independent separate existence! The 'All' includes it " all " ! The God includes it... " all " ! The God is... All! .... The problem and confusion of 'person' lies in trying to choose a part of the Whole... the part that it considers 'good' and attempting to become Whole! That is confusion... That is the Pain... that is Suffering! That is the ['created'] division... Separation! Any Moment... choosing is allowed to cease... it is Whole! No Separation... I AM Enlightened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 .... One that is Whole... can have No Choice! One that contains " all " can not choose... To become Whole means... end of choice. The choice belongs to a 'divided' mind. The choice belongs to a 'person'. The choice belongs to... 'divided Whole'. To 'inhabit' as a 'person' means abiding as... divided whole! That is the Split... That is the division... To abide as a 'person' is to live in division! .... Yet, a person is just a social utility... and Not an existential Reality! A person is an 'utility' that is needed in a 'person based' Society. Yet, it is an utility that can 'picked up' and 'acted out' when needed and dropped when done. .... A person belongs to Samasara... And, samsara belongs to a person! Nirvana is the end of Samsara... which implies End of the person Too! .... Confusion and the difficulty of the person lies in trying to become 'nirvanic' in order to better 'indulge' in Samsara! In one way, it attempting to become a better 'person' in the eyes of 'person'... yet, pretending to be 'abandoning the person'! Seeking enlightenment by pretending to abandon 'Samsara' only in order to be better respected, valued, loved, and admired in the Samsara! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Following might illustrate it quite well: --------- Neither samsara nor nirvana is a place. Samsara is a process of creating places... and then wandering through them... Nirvana is the end of this process. You can't feed a process and experience its end at the same time. You're either feeding samsara or you're not. ~ Commentary on Buddhist Teachings on Nirvana by Thanissaro. --------- And, it might also explain why, how and where many spiritual seeker gets confused as well exploited and mislead. In place of looking to really end the process of creating and indulging in samsara they are really only looking to find a way to keep doing the same thing but... in a 'No Pain', 'no suffering', 'nirvanic' way. In some cases, they have been told by someone that such a thing is possible and mythical even called 'enlightenment' will simply leave them incapable of creating or feeling any pain or suffering [even though... they will continue doing the same creation and indulging in samsara that they have been doing al along.] When you see that it is you who put your hands in fire and... get 'burnt' that is 'knowledge'. That is realization! You may stop doing that... and might become free of that pain of fire! Or, the habit might be deeply entrenched and might take some practice and continued vigilance to totally be free of it. Or, most of the society might be built on the basis of that fire and you might find reasons to bear some pain and burns occasionally for something that they consider important. [Think of a Fire Fighter!] .... Yet, you become free of this fire by simply not putting yourself in it. Something that you can do NOW... Something that you can do Only Now... Put your hand in the fire... or Not. .... Mentally indulging in Samsara is that Fire! ************************** When we turn the mind inwards, God manifests as the inner consciousness. ~Ramana When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the sense organs, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the heart, the names and forms disappear. ~Ramana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 When the 'thinker' is not always in the ON mode, then perhaps we can say that enlightenment is there. Imagine the present moment as a car with you in it. When you are enlightened, then you let the car move you along. When you are trapped as being the 'thinker', then you try to push or pull the car yourself. As a 'thinker', you can say that you are enlightened or not, but you will still be trying to push and pull the present moment (you stll have the idea that thought can achieve things), which means that you are not really enlightened. al. Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > In the same breath, > I can say... I AM enlightened. > > and in the same breath, > I can say... I am not enlightened. > > Yet, I see no contradiction between > the two. > > > I can say... I AM enlightened. > > Yet, I can't say, a 'person' is > enlightened. > > When that person is 'eliminated'... > what is still left is felt as > Enlightenment! > > ...and, it is always Now. > > > I AM enlightened. > > Not that I 'was'... enlightened. > > Not, I 'will be' enlightened. > > Not, I " want to " be enlightened. > > > Past and future as well as 'want' > belong to the person... > > ...and no 'person' has ever become > enlightened. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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