Phil's Conciousness

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> I also seek to expand concepts beyond their gross limitations just

>as you > are doing, so why do you perceive us to be at odds?

 

Phil

 

P: I perceive you to be at odds with what I say, (not me)

because since you joined this list you have been

rephrasing what I post. That never works in communication.

Only direct questioning and dialogue clears misunderstandings

and furthers investigation. Like for example, I'm questioning

here why you think concepts can be expanded beyond their

limitations. Concepts can never transcend their limitations.

They will always be crude representations. As I said, they

can only be abandoned. There is no such thing as a nondual

concept. The only Nonduality is perceptual. To attain wholeness

of perception is the only nonduality available.

 

A monk asked his Zen teacher, " How can I see Buddha Nature?

The teacher reply, " When you swallow the eastern Ocean in

one gulp. "

 

This points to perception without conceptualization.

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 10/29/2005 8:52:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

pedsie4 writes:

 

P: I perceive you to be at odds with what I say, (not me)

because since you joined this list you have been

rephrasing what I post. That never works in communication.

Only direct questioning and dialogue clears misunderstandings

and furthers investigation. Like for example, I'm questioning

here why you think concepts can be expanded beyond their

limitations. Concepts can never transcend their limitations.

They will always be crude representations. As I said, they

can only be abandoned. There is no such thing as a nondual

concept. The only Nonduality is perceptual. To attain wholeness

of perception is the only nonduality available.

 

 

 

Beliefs are self created prisons. What is one to do about this

incarceration. Once the walls are built and the door swings shut, what can be

done?

 

If I suggest to you to stop right now and release the belief that you are a

human, will this result in enlightenment? Of course not. Why not? Because it

is not your choice to not believe what your senses and your experience and

your awareness have shown you is true. There is no option to abandon beliefs or

this would have been done long ago. Choice is an illusion.

 

It is, however, possible to expand the walls of the prison to the point

where they encompass within most of that which you see outside the window. As

concepts expand, they become less limiting. The concept of God as the totality

of awareness is not something that the mind is pleased with, as is demonstrated

by some here who will declare it as all nonsense. This is a good thing to

not be able to fully grasp a concept as it allows for awareness to expand in

place of it. For one who retains the concept of God as a bearded man in a

throne somewhere, there is little room for a new awareness to occur.

 

Yes, all concepts must ultimately be abandoned, desires surrendered and

thinkingness stopped. All in good time.

 

Phil