Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 The analogy of awakening, like any other analogy. can have a certain limited usefulness. It is one of the straws grasped at in an attempt to describe the indescribable, to communicate what cannot be communicated. It also has its drawbacks. In particular, it can be used to make a demarcation, a distinction. A false separation between those perceived individuals who have awakened and those perceived individuals who have not. This is artificial, a construct of the mind. There is only Consciousness, streaming through and expressing as all these body/mind things. What happens in one body/mind thing as distinct from another is insignificant unless you believe they exist as individual persons and you identify as one of them. As the Third Zen Patriarch wrote " Distinctions arise from the clinging needs of the ignorant.....What benefit can be derived from attachment to distinctions and separation? " David Carse " Perfect Brilliant Stillness " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 - toombaru2004 Nisargadatta Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:42 PM So who awakens? The analogy of awakening, like any other analogy. can have a certain limited usefulness. It is one of the straws grasped at in an attempt to describe the indescribable, to communicate what cannot be communicated. It also has its drawbacks. In particular, it can be used to make a demarcation, a distinction. A false separation between those perceived individuals who have awakened and those perceived individuals who have not. This is artificial, a construct of the mind. There is only Consciousness, streaming through and expressing as all these body/mind things. What happens in one body/mind thing as distinct from another is insignificant unless you believe they exist as individual persons and you identify as one of them. As the Third Zen Patriarch wrote " Distinctions arise from the clinging needs of the ignorant.....What benefit can be derived from attachment to distinctions and separation? " The dreamer awakens... Ana David Carse " Perfect Brilliant Stillness " ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:42 PM > So who awakens? > > > The analogy of awakening, like any other analogy. can have a certain limited > usefulness. > It is one of the straws grasped at in an attempt to describe the indescribable, > to > communicate what cannot be communicated. > > It also has its drawbacks. > > In particular, it can be used to make a demarcation, a distinction. > > A false separation between those perceived individuals who have awakened and > those > perceived individuals who have not. > > This is artificial, a construct of the mind. > > There is only Consciousness, streaming through and expressing as all these > body/mind > things. > > What happens in one body/mind thing as distinct from another is insignificant > unless you > believe they exist as individual persons and you identify as one of them. > > As the Third Zen Patriarch wrote " Distinctions arise from the clinging needs of > the > ignorant.....What benefit can be derived from attachment to distinctions and > separation? " > > > The dreamer awakens... > > Ana No. There is only the dream. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 - toombaru2004 Nisargadatta Saturday, October 29, 2005 8:16 PM Re: So who awakens? Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:42 PM > So who awakens? > > > > > > > > > > The analogy of awakening, like any other analogy. can have a certain limited > usefulness. > It is one of the straws grasped at in an attempt to describe the indescribable, > to > communicate what cannot be communicated. > > It also has its drawbacks. > > In particular, it can be used to make a demarcation, a distinction. > > A false separation between those perceived individuals who have awakened and > those > perceived individuals who have not. > > This is artificial, a construct of the mind. > > There is only Consciousness, streaming through and expressing as all these > body/mind > things. > > What happens in one body/mind thing as distinct from another is insignificant > unless you > believe they exist as individual persons and you identify as one of them. > > As the Third Zen Patriarch wrote " Distinctions arise from the clinging needs of > the > ignorant.....What benefit can be derived from attachment to distinctions and > separation? " > > > The dreamer awakens... > > Ana That's what I said. The dreamer awakens as the dream. dreaming awakening. Dreaming I'm always dreaming That's what I said the dreamer awakens as the dream. Ana No. There is only the dream. toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 toombaru2004 wrote: > > > No. > > There is only the dream. > > > toombaru > > Said the dreamer in his dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 The dreamer awakens as the dream....... dreaming awakening. > > Ana > :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > toombaru2004 wrote: > > > > > > > No. > > > > There is only the dream. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Said the dreamer in his dream. > :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 there is nothing but Self parts of this Self are dreaming to be part of It there is nothing but Self parts of this Self are dreaming to wake up there is nothing but Self all 'parts' are in reality whole of Self there is nothing but Self nothing else to dream about there is nothing but Self This Self constantly is rising in all dreams there is nothing but Self filled up with the light of Self, the dream end there is nothing but Self to be aware of real nature of dreams and Self, is to be free > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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