Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Phil, > > Are YOU still and do YOU know YOU are God ? > > Or are you just a big mouth jabbering what he has read before ? A > spiritual parrot dressing himself with saintly garments of others who > too just have been proud parrots like you ? > > Werner > Are you really this concerned about Phil [substitute any name] , Werner? Or, are you simply using him as an excuse to vent your scorn? Is that your 'only' mission on these lists? Not an accusation... just an honest question. I have seen you doing exactly these things many, many times and rarely anything else. [...and, I admit that I have not read everything that you ever wrote.] So, my question is... is that why you 'continue' to exits on lists... to get any opportunity to 'mock' someone? What is your 'other' purpose ... [if any.]? regards, ac. > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 10/31/2005 4:25:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you that > God > > creates > > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has our > very own > > universe and these universes interact according to fields of > consciousness, > > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this way, > your > > experiences > > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of > awareness, > > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that sound? > > > > Phil > > > > > > Not quite Phil, as long as there is a separtion between, God > creation and > > 'You " , it sounds like confusion, > > unless we are into the process of deconstructing... > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > Yes, that's why I couldn't say it the way I see it. There are > several > > 'individuals' here who are determined to bludgeon the self into > nonexistence, and > > are terrified of the prospect of 'being' everything and have opted > for > > nothing. But you are correct. Compromise is not in the interest of > Truth, and so > > there it is. > > > > " Be still, and know that you are God " > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I am not an enlightened advaita priest like you. I would feel ashamed to preach stuff which I just have read but don't live or haven't experienced myself. In my eyes you are the same big mouth hypocrite but at least you open your mouth to attack me which I can honour. You may have read a lot, same as Phil or Marc and all the others and what you post is just what you believe could be true, but not more, and I never have seen from you a serious and honest sign to admit what your real insights are: Bubbles. Maybe we could start with that ? Wouldn't it be much better to discuss the obstacles of a so called spiritual life and not like you runnig arround and behaving as if you had swallowed the sun ? Werner Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Phil, > > > > Are YOU still and do YOU know YOU are God ? > > > > Or are you just a big mouth jabbering what he has read before ? A > > spiritual parrot dressing himself with saintly garments of others > who > > too just have been proud parrots like you ? > > > > Werner > > > > Are you really this concerned about > Phil [substitute any name] , Werner? > > Or, are you simply using him as an excuse > to vent your scorn? > > Is that your 'only' mission on these lists? > > Not an accusation... just an honest question. > > I have seen you doing exactly these > things many, many times and rarely > anything else. > > [...and, I admit that I have not read > everything that you ever wrote.] > > > So, my question is... > > is that why you 'continue' to exits on > lists... > > to get any opportunity to 'mock' > someone? > > What is your 'other' purpose ... [if any.]? > > > > > regards, > ac. > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/31/2005 4:25:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you > that > > God > > > creates > > > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has > our > > very own > > > universe and these universes interact according to fields of > > consciousness, > > > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this way, > > your > > > experiences > > > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of > > awareness, > > > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that > sound? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > Not quite Phil, as long as there is a separtion between, God > > creation and > > > 'You " , it sounds like confusion, > > > unless we are into the process of deconstructing... > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's why I couldn't say it the way I see it. There are > > several > > > 'individuals' here who are determined to bludgeon the self into > > nonexistence, and > > > are terrified of the prospect of 'being' everything and have > opted > > for > > > nothing. But you are correct. Compromise is not in the interest > of > > Truth, and so > > > there it is. > > > > > > " Be still, and know that you are God " > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > I am not an enlightened advaita priest like you. I would feel ashamed > to preach stuff which I just have read but don't live or haven't > experienced myself. > > In my eyes you are the same big mouth hypocrite but at least you open > your mouth to attack me which I can honour. > > You may have read a lot, same as Phil or Marc and all the others and > what you post is just what you believe could be true, What you write about " ac " or " x " or any other poster is just what 'you believe' about them. In reality... you will never know 'who I am'! .... To know this... is the beginning of reality. To endlessly go on talking claiming to really know 'who I am' is being stuck in the stupidity. > but not more, > and I never have seen from you a serious and honest sign to admit > what your real insights are: Bubbles. Maybe we could start with that ? > > Wouldn't it be much better to discuss the obstacles of a so called > spiritual life and not like you runnig arround and behaving as if you > had swallowed the sun ? > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > Are YOU still and do YOU know YOU are God ? > > > > > > Or are you just a big mouth jabbering what he has read before ? A > > > spiritual parrot dressing himself with saintly garments of others > > who > > > too just have been proud parrots like you ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Are you really this concerned about > > Phil [substitute any name] , Werner? > > > > Or, are you simply using him as an excuse > > to vent your scorn? > > > > Is that your 'only' mission on these lists? > > > > Not an accusation... just an honest question. > > > > I have seen you doing exactly these > > things many, many times and rarely > > anything else. > > > > [...and, I admit that I have not read > > everything that you ever wrote.] > > > > > > So, my question is... > > > > is that why you 'continue' to exits on > > lists... > > > > to get any opportunity to 'mock' > > someone? > > > > What is your 'other' purpose ... [if any.]? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > ac. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/31/2005 4:25:34 AM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you > > that > > > God > > > > creates > > > > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has > > our > > > very own > > > > universe and these universes interact according to fields of > > > consciousness, > > > > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this > way, > > > your > > > > experiences > > > > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of > > > awareness, > > > > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that > > sound? > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite Phil, as long as there is a separtion between, God > > > creation and > > > > 'You " , it sounds like confusion, > > > > unless we are into the process of deconstructing... > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's why I couldn't say it the way I see it. There are > > > several > > > > 'individuals' here who are determined to bludgeon the self into > > > nonexistence, and > > > > are terrified of the prospect of 'being' everything and have > > opted > > > for > > > > nothing. But you are correct. Compromise is not in the interest > > of > > > Truth, and so > > > > there it is. > > > > > > > > " Be still, and know that you are God " > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 ac: " What you write about " ac " or " x " or any other poster is just what 'you believe' about them. In reality... you will never know 'who I am'! " Werner: What a member is writing and in what way he is trying to present himself will reveal already enough to draw some conclusions. So, what is your position ac, is it a stabile one or constantly changing ? All that spiritual presentation of yourself is just the attempt to bring some stability in your life or is the holy fire burning in your heart so that you can't help but have to preach ? How you are here presenting yourself what is it aiming at ? Fun, vanity, narcissism, megalomania, or the need to learn or a mix of all ? Werner Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > I am not an enlightened advaita priest like you. I would feel > ashamed > > to preach stuff which I just have read but don't live or haven't > > experienced myself. > > > > In my eyes you are the same big mouth hypocrite but at least you > open > > your mouth to attack me which I can honour. > > > > You may have read a lot, same as Phil or Marc and all the others > and > > what you post is just what you believe could be true, > > What you write about " ac " or " x " or any > other poster is just what 'you believe' > about them. > > In reality... you will never know 'who > I am'! > > > ... > > > To know this... is the beginning of > reality. > > To endlessly go on talking > claiming to really know 'who I > am' is being stuck in the stupidity. > > > but not more, > > and I never have seen from you a serious and honest sign to admit > > what your real insights are: Bubbles. Maybe we could start with > that ? > > > > Wouldn't it be much better to discuss the obstacles of a so called > > spiritual life and not like you runnig arround and behaving as if > you > > had swallowed the sun ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > > > Are YOU still and do YOU know YOU are God ? > > > > > > > > Or are you just a big mouth jabbering what he has read > before ? A > > > > spiritual parrot dressing himself with saintly garments of > others > > > who > > > > too just have been proud parrots like you ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Are you really this concerned about > > > Phil [substitute any name] , Werner? > > > > > > Or, are you simply using him as an excuse > > > to vent your scorn? > > > > > > Is that your 'only' mission on these lists? > > > > > > Not an accusation... just an honest question. > > > > > > I have seen you doing exactly these > > > things many, many times and rarely > > > anything else. > > > > > > [...and, I admit that I have not read > > > everything that you ever wrote.] > > > > > > > > > So, my question is... > > > > > > is that why you 'continue' to exits on > > > lists... > > > > > > to get any opportunity to 'mock' > > > someone? > > > > > > What is your 'other' purpose ... [if any.]? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > ac. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/31/2005 4:25:34 AM Pacific Standard > > Time, > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you > > > that > > > > God > > > > > creates > > > > > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us > has > > > our > > > > very own > > > > > universe and these universes interact according to fields > of > > > > consciousness, > > > > > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this > > way, > > > > your > > > > > experiences > > > > > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of > > > > awareness, > > > > > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does > that > > > sound? > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite Phil, as long as there is a separtion between, > God > > > > creation and > > > > > 'You " , it sounds like confusion, > > > > > unless we are into the process of deconstructing... > > > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's why I couldn't say it the way I see it. There > are > > > > several > > > > > 'individuals' here who are determined to bludgeon the self > into > > > > nonexistence, and > > > > > are terrified of the prospect of 'being' everything and have > > > opted > > > > for > > > > > nothing. But you are correct. Compromise is not in the > interest > > > of > > > > Truth, and so > > > > > there it is. > > > > > > > > > > " Be still, and know that you are God " > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > ac: " What you write about " ac " or " x " or any > other poster is just what 'you believe' > about them. > > In reality... you will never know 'who > I am'! " > > Werner: What a member is writing and in what way he is trying to > present himself will reveal already enough to draw some conclusions. > > So, what is your position ac, is it a stabile one or constantly > changing ? > > All that spiritual presentation of yourself is just the attempt to > bring some stability in your life or is the holy fire burning in your > heart so that you can't help but have to preach ? > > How you are here presenting yourself what is it aiming at ? Fun, > vanity, narcissism, megalomania, or the need to learn or a mix of > all ? What about ... What arises in the Moment! [that might be closer than any of your above 'guesses'.] > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > I am not an enlightened advaita priest like you. I would feel > > ashamed > > > to preach stuff which I just have read but don't live or haven't > > > experienced myself. > > > > > > In my eyes you are the same big mouth hypocrite but at least you > > open > > > your mouth to attack me which I can honour. > > > > > > You may have read a lot, same as Phil or Marc and all the others > > and > > > what you post is just what you believe could be true, > > > > What you write about " ac " or " x " or any > > other poster is just what 'you believe' > > about them. > > > > In reality... you will never know 'who > > I am'! > > > > > > ... > > > > > > To know this... is the beginning of > > reality. > > > > To endlessly go on talking > > claiming to really know 'who I > > am' is being stuck in the stupidity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but not more, > > > and I never have seen from you a serious and honest sign to admit > > > what your real insights are: Bubbles. Maybe we could start with > > that ? > > > > > > Wouldn't it be much better to discuss the obstacles of a so > called > > > spiritual life and not like you runnig arround and behaving as if > > you > > > had swallowed the sun ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > > > > > Are YOU still and do YOU know YOU are God ? > > > > > > > > > > Or are you just a big mouth jabbering what he has read > > before ? A > > > > > spiritual parrot dressing himself with saintly garments of > > others > > > > who > > > > > too just have been proud parrots like you ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you really this concerned about > > > > Phil [substitute any name] , Werner? > > > > > > > > Or, are you simply using him as an excuse > > > > to vent your scorn? > > > > > > > > Is that your 'only' mission on these lists? > > > > > > > > Not an accusation... just an honest question. > > > > > > > > I have seen you doing exactly these > > > > things many, many times and rarely > > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > [...and, I admit that I have not read > > > > everything that you ever wrote.] > > > > > > > > > > > > So, my question is... > > > > > > > > is that why you 'continue' to exits on > > > > lists... > > > > > > > > to get any opportunity to 'mock' > > > > someone? > > > > > > > > What is your 'other' purpose ... [if any.]? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > ac. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/31/2005 4:25:34 AM Pacific Standard > > > Time, > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell > you > > > > that > > > > > God > > > > > > creates > > > > > > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us > > has > > > > our > > > > > very own > > > > > > universe and these universes interact according to fields > > of > > > > > consciousness, > > > > > > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this > > > way, > > > > > your > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of > > > > > awareness, > > > > > > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does > > that > > > > sound? > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite Phil, as long as there is a separtion between, > > God > > > > > creation and > > > > > > 'You " , it sounds like confusion, > > > > > > unless we are into the process of deconstructing... > > > > > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's why I couldn't say it the way I see it. There > > are > > > > > several > > > > > > 'individuals' here who are determined to bludgeon the self > > into > > > > > nonexistence, and > > > > > > are terrified of the prospect of 'being' everything and > have > > > > opted > > > > > for > > > > > > nothing. But you are correct. Compromise is not in the > > interest > > > > of > > > > > Truth, and so > > > > > > there it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Be still, and know that you are God " > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 dear friends The spiritualism is the context in which you have to make efforts to reach God. In the spiritual path all your effort must be concentrated in acquiring the knowledge of God day by day. Once this knowledge based Bhakthi (devotion) is achieved, your qualities good or bad are immaterial. Whatever may be the vessel, the drink in it is important. The value paid in a hotel is for the drink only. If you have taken a cup of coffee, you are paying the cost of the coffee only whether the cup is made of glass or metal. Similarly, God gives value only for your Bhakthi and not for your quality. I will give a beautiful example here. “Sabari” is with good qualities and offered fruits to the Lord Rama who is Vishnu. A hunter called “Kannappa” gave flesh to the Lord Siva. Sabari reached the ‘World of Vishnu and Kannappa reached the World of Shiva”. Both have reached the same Lord because Veda says, “Shiva is Narayana”. Both of them have been given the similar value by the Lord because in both cases, the intensity of the devotion is the same as both gave even their food without eating. Therefore, this proves clearly that the Lord has no objection for your bad qualities. Hence, all the effort should be only to achieve and increase the intensity of love devotion or Bhakthi on God. It is not necessary to bother about your qualities that are inherent coming from millions of births. They are the born qualities. The tail of the dog is curved. Any effort cannot make it straight. By force, we can keep it straight but it has not become straight. Similarly you can control your bad qualities for not disturbing peace of the world by some force. When you come to God, you come in your natural state because you can deceive the world showing that your banded tail is straight but not the God. Whether the river comes in straight path or curved path, the ocean receives only the water with equality. Similarly, God receives your love irrespective of your quality. He received “Sabari” and ‘Kannappa” equally. Sabari with good qualities and Kannappa with bad qualities reached the same Lord, as their devotion is of same intensity. A piece of gold is wrapped in an old cloth. A stone is wrapped with a metallic foil. Which has more total value? Similarly, the love with high intensity covered even by a bad quality has more total value than the love with lesser intensity covered by a good quality. When the blood flew from the eye of the Lord, the Priest who is a person with good qualities is trying to apply the medicine. But, his devotion is less. In the same situation, “Kannappa” plucked his eyes and donated to the Lord. Kannappa is a person with bad qualities but his devotion is the highest. Devotion is the highest good quality. Now let us evaluate the total cost of the priest and Kannappa. The devotion in Kannappa is +100. The bad qualities in Kannappa are –10. The total cost is +90. The priest with good qualities is +10. The devotion in him is +20. The total cost is +30. So, of the two who is good? Obviously it is Kannappa. Gita says, that, “Even the worst is best by Bhakthi” (Api chet….). at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Werner Woehr <wwoehr wrote: All that spiritual presentation of yourself is just the attempt to bring some stability in your life or is the holy fire burning in your heart so that you can't help but have to preach ? How you are here presenting yourself what is it aiming at ? Fun, vanity, narcissism, megalomania, or the need to learn or a mix of all ? FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 First of all, you know nothing about God and second you even don't know if a God exists - you are just a poor parrot repeating childish fairy tales others told you. And why effort ? Who is investing in effort ? Isn't it greed, boredom and vanity which uses effort ? Werner Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > dear friends > > The spiritualism is the context in which you have to make efforts to reach God. > > > > In the spiritual path all your effort must be concentrated in acquiring the knowledge of God day by day. Once this knowledge based Bhakthi (devotion) is achieved, your qualities good or bad are immaterial. Whatever may be the vessel, the drink in it is important. The value paid in a hotel is for the drink only. If you have taken a cup of coffee, you are paying the cost of the coffee only whether the cup is made of glass or metal. Similarly, God gives value only for your Bhakthi and not for your quality. I will give a beautiful example here. " Sabari " is with good qualities and offered fruits to the Lord Rama who is Vishnu. A hunter called " Kannappa " gave flesh to the Lord Siva. Sabari reached the `World of Vishnu and Kannappa reached the World of Shiva " . Both have reached the same Lord because Veda says, " Shiva is Narayana " . Both of them have been given the similar value by the Lord because in both cases, the intensity of the devotion is the same as both gave even their > food without eating. Therefore, this proves clearly that the Lord has no objection for your bad qualities. Hence, all the effort should be only to achieve and increase the intensity of love devotion or Bhakthi on God. It is not necessary to bother about your qualities that are inherent coming from millions of births. They are the born qualities. The tail of the dog is curved. Any effort cannot make it straight. By force, we can keep it straight but it has not become straight. Similarly you can control your bad qualities for not disturbing peace of the world by some force. When you come to God, you come in your natural state because you can deceive the world showing that your banded tail is straight but not the God. Whether the river comes in straight path or curved path, the ocean receives only the water with equality. Similarly, God receives your love irrespective of your quality. He received " Sabari " and `Kannappa " equally. Sabari with good qualities and Kannappa with > bad qualities reached the same Lord, as their devotion is of same intensity. > > > > A piece of gold is wrapped in an old cloth. A stone is wrapped with a metallic foil. Which has more total value? Similarly, the love with high intensity covered even by a bad quality has more total value than the love with lesser intensity covered by a good quality. When the blood flew from the eye of the Lord, the Priest who is a person with good qualities is trying to apply the medicine. But, his devotion is less. In the same situation, " Kannappa " plucked his eyes and donated to the Lord. Kannappa is a person with bad qualities but his devotion is the highest. Devotion is the highest good quality. Now let us evaluate the total cost of the priest and Kannappa. The devotion in Kannappa is +100. The bad qualities in Kannappa are – 10. The total cost is +90. The priest with good qualities is +10. The devotion in him is +20. The total cost is +30. So, of the two who is good? Obviously it is Kannappa. Gita says, that, " Even the worst is best by Bhakthi " (Api chet….). > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > All that spiritual presentation of yourself is just the attempt to > bring some stability in your life or is the holy fire burning in your > heart so that you can't help but have to preach ? > > How you are here presenting yourself what is it aiming at ? Fun, > vanity, narcissism, megalomania, or the need to learn or a mix of > all ? > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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