Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 In a message dated 11/2/2005 6:54:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Several people will like this and will become the followers of Guru. Several people will praise him and give lot of Guru Dakshina because his argument is pleasant. But a Satguru says that the path with thorns alone will lead to the Lord because in this path you have to cut the bonds with your family and with your hard-earned money. Sacrifice gives lot of pain and sacrifice alone will lead to the Lord. The path with flowers strengthens your bonds with your family and money which gives you lot of happiness. Such path leads to the hell. That which the seeker seeks is never Truth, for the finding of Truth not only ends the seeking but also the seeker. If this is known, no seeker would seek his own end, but of course this is not known. The " sacrifice " is the self. The dissolution of the self is the Truth that the self seeks to know. To sacrifice possessions and family ties is meaningless, since they are as illusory as the self that would be encouraged to do this. Who is doing this sacrificing? This is, itself, the entity you wish to sacrifice. Leave it alone. It doesn't exist. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 11/2/2005 6:54:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Several people will like this and will become the followers of Guru. > > Several people will praise him and give lot of Guru Dakshina because his argument > > is pleasant. But a Satguru says that the path with thorns alone will lead to > > the Lord because in this path you have to cut the bonds with your family and > > with your hard-earned money. Sacrifice gives lot of pain and sacrifice > > alone will lead to the Lord. The path with flowers strengthens your bonds with > > your family and money which gives you lot of happiness. Such path leads to > > the hell. > > > > > > That which the seeker seeks is never Truth, for the finding of Truth not > > only ends the seeking but also the seeker. If this is known, no seeker would > > seek his own end, but of course this is not known. The " sacrifice " is the self. > > The dissolution of the self is the Truth that the self seeks to know. > > > > To sacrifice possessions and family ties is meaningless, since they are as > > illusory as the self that would be encouraged to do this. Who is doing this > > sacrificing? This is, itself, the entity you wish to sacrifice. Leave it > > alone. It doesn't exist. > > > > Phil > > > > > Who is there to leave it alone? > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 dear friend Everybody aspires the highest fruit through the easiest way. The easiest way is the path of knowledge, which does not require any sacrifice. The highest fruit is to become the very Lord right now from this moment onwards. They like the preacher to say that they should just come out of their house to receive a heap of infinite treasure lying down before the doors. Anybody will be happiest to receive the news that, he has become eligible to join the post of district collector in whatever stage of his study to the I.A.S. Examination he is present. The post is offered to the fresh student who just joined the I.A.S. Course and also to the student who passed the I.A.S. Examination. Both are equally eligible now itself to join the same post. If the preacher says that already both have joined the post and that they have forgotten this truth, now all the effort is only to recognize that they are the district collectors. This gives the idea that there is no need of any future effort. This is the misinterpreted philosophy of monoism (Advaita) of Sankara. Every body is very much attracted to this path. The influence of this path is so much that no body is coming out of this illusion. It is so sweet that they are unable to leave this state. The basic mis-concept is to think that the self is the super-self. Self is any living being in this world. Super self is the Lord. They just find one common point i.e., the pure awareness (Chit) exists in both. The Prime Minister and his peon have several common points like pure awareness, similar form of external human body etc. Both eat and sleep similarly. Both are married and both have children. Because of these common points can you treat the Prime Minister and His peon as one and the same? Based on one common point i.e., pure awareness, how can you say that self is super-self? Veda says that by the order of the Lord, the Sun is shining. In summer due to sunstroke a human being is killed. Let the Advaita scholar stand against the sunstroke and order the Sun not to kill him. When the disciples of Sankara thought that they are also the Lord, Sankara swallowed the molten lead and asked the disciples to do the same. Then they fell on the feet of Sankara. Then Sankara told " Shivah Kevaloham " , which means that only He is Shiva. The word Kevala (only) is important here. Sankara while taking bath in the ocean at Puri told " Oh! Lord! Though the qualitative identity is in between us, the quantitative difference exists. The water is common in both the sea and the wave like the pure awareness in the soul and super soul. But the quantitative difference exists and one should not forget that the entire wave is in the sea but the entire sea is not in the wave " . This is stated as a message for the sake of ordinary soul. These Advaita Scholars filter all the differentiating points and finally get the common point filtered down into the beaker as the filtrate. The differentiating points are the residue on the filter paper and the filtered common point is in the downward beaker. They see only the beaker but not the filter paper. Therefore, the whole spiritual path is twisted and confused almost all the human beings. Seeing this situation the same Sankara came as Ramanuja and Madhva and clearly differentiated the superself from the self. Some devotees have come out of this illusion but several people are still lingering there only due to their unreasonable and unimaginable ambition for the fruit. Unless this basic concept is realized, all the stages of the spiritual effort cannot be healthy. The poison injected in the foundation has spread all over the upstairs of the construction. Your question has already assumed that self is super self. You have no doubt about that basic concept. Nobody likes to touch that basic concept. If that basic concept is analysed the entire castle of their ambition will collapse. They cannot tolerate to loose the highest fruit, which was captured by them by the easiest way of self-realization. Now for such self-realization, you are asking whether the meditation or the study of scriptures is the path. When the goal itself is absent what is the use of the path? It is something like asking whether one should pass eighth standard or ninth standard to become the district collector. Neither of these two standards can give you the post. By passing those two standards one can get the post of a peon. One has to pass the I.A.S. Examination for which he is eligible after passing degree examination, which is far from both those standards. These advaita scholars argue that the peon is the collector. They do not accept the existence of any higher post other than the peon. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org ADHHUB wrote: That which the seeker seeks is never Truth, for the finding of Truth not only ends the seeking but also the seeker. If this is known, no seeker would seek his own end, but of course this is not known. The " sacrifice " is the self. The dissolution of the self is the Truth that the self seeks to know. To sacrifice possessions and family ties is meaningless, since they are as illusory as the self that would be encouraged to do this. Who is doing this sacrificing? This is, itself, the entity you wish to sacrifice. Leave it alone. It doesn't exist. Phil FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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