Sundays In Paris

[Guest guest]

> Stefan: did it never occur to you that all you

> perceive are ideas? > What else is " perception "

> than having ideas?

 

> The stuff which is prior to ideas is in darkness...

> the moment it dawns(!) to you it is an idea. And

> in darkness... there is no perceiver. Nobody to

> " simply look what is " .

 

Hi Stefan,

 

Boy! You sure have come a long way from those

days when W and I used to call you Mr. " you

missed the point. " That is good to see!

 

Now let's talk about your question: " What

else is perception than having ideas? " That

is roughly true, but it needs a bit of

refining, if everyone is to see how this is so.

 

Perception is not an idea as that word is commonly

understood. To most people an idea is:

 

1) A formulated thought or opinion

2) A plan

3) What is known of a subject (your idea of

Advaita)

4) the kernel of understanding of a thing, or

issue (as when you praise someone's

understanding by saying " that's the idea!)

 

But perception could be said to be an idea in the

sense that our daily perceptions are informed by

meaning. Even The most simple perception like

seeing a green light is already informed by the

meaning is not red. Even if that meaning is not

explicitly formulated, it's nevertheless there. We

don't see red, as a newborn sees it. Not that we

want to see the world as a newborn. I have seen

the world like that sometimes, and it's just a

chaos of meaningless splashes of colors.

 

Direct perception, is perception without thoughts,

but not without meaning. Past experiences and

thoughts have already informed our simplest

perceptions with meaning.

 

Ps: I like to invite you, if you feel

so inclined, to join Nondualphilophy, so you

can help Werner and I get these points across.

This guy MStrinado belongs there too, I like

how he thinks.

 

Pete

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

 

>Boy! You sure have come a long way from those

>days when W and I used to call you Mr. " you

>missed the point. " That is good to see!

 

Hi Pete,

 

I have often changed the forms

Of my communication here

 

You also have ...

 

I see your point, Pete

But I have no point

I never had

 

There is nothing I can get across

To be honest, I have nothing

except...

 

Ending up with myself

I only can start from myself and...

 

Here is no direct perception

Here is only hallucination

Today a very relaxed one

But I still have my sword... haha...

 

<smiles>

 

LoLiLa

Stefan

 

 

> Now let's talk about your question: " What

> else is perception than having ideas? " That

> is roughly true, but it needs a bit of

> refining, if everyone is to see how this is so.

>

> Perception is not an idea as that word is commonly

> understood. To most people an idea is:

>

> 1) A formulated thought or opinion

> 2) A plan

> 3) What is known of a subject (your idea of

> Advaita)

> 4) the kernel of understanding of a thing, or

> issue (as when you praise someone's

> understanding by saying " that's the idea!)

>

> But perception could be said to be an idea in the

> sense that our daily perceptions are informed by

> meaning. Even The most simple perception like

> seeing a green light is already informed by the

> meaning is not red. Even if that meaning is not

> explicitly formulated, it's nevertheless there. We

> don't see red, as a newborn sees it. Not that we

> want to see the world as a newborn. I have seen

> the world like that sometimes, and it's just a

> chaos of meaningless splashes of colors.

>

> Direct perception, is perception without thoughts,

> but not without meaning. Past experiences and

> thoughts have already informed our simplest

> perceptions with meaning.

>

> Ps: I like to invite you, if you feel

> so inclined, to join Nondualphilophy, so you

> can help Werner and I get these points across.

> This guy MStrinado belongs there too, I like

> how he thinks.

>

> Pete