Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > dear friend, you write: 'If everybody is God, what is the meaning of spiritual effort?' .....the meaning of spiritual effort will show you that everything what you percieve is God so the real meaning of spiritual effort....is to loose the wrong identification.....the seperations...... ....even to your Satguru....or to whoever....and whatever wish you to loose all this illusions of seperations Regards Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 dear friend Lord Krishna clearly stated that the soul is a part of creation and it is the modification of His Paraprakruti or Parasakti or Maya. His Maya is modified as this creation and maintains the creation (Yayedam Dharyate—Gita). Thus He is not the soul, which is a part of the creation. In the second chapter He said that the soul is permanent with reference to the gross body. By this statement people have misunderstood that the soul (individual human being) is eternal and so it is Parabrahman (Lord). People have slipped here in not noting the permanency of soul with respect temporary gross body (Hanyamane Sarire—Gita). Lord Krishna created the souls again when the Prajapati (A representative of Brahma) stole His friends along with the cows. If the soul is eternal, it’s duplicate cannot be created with the same characteristics. If the soul comes under the category of Prakruti, the Lord is denoted by the word Purusha (Prakritim Purusham—Gita). If you call the soul as Purusha the Lord is denoted by the word Purushottama (Yasmat Ksharat—Gita). The Maya is the direct cause of the creation but Parabrahman being the cause of Maya is the indirect cause of creation. Thus both the statements are given in Gita. Parabrahman says that He is maintaining the creation (Mayi Sarvamidam—Gita). It is also said that the Maya maintains the creation (Dharyate Jagat—Gita). Parabrahman maintains Maya and the Maya maintains the creation. The mind is based on the dreamer and the dream is based on mind. Thus the ultimate substratum is Parabrahman or Lord only. regards & at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: .....the meaning of spiritual effort will show you that everything what you percieve is God so the real meaning of spiritual effort....is to loose the wrong identification.....the seperations...... ....even to your Satguru....or to whoever....and whatever wish you to loose all this illusions of seperations Regards Marc FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > hello friend, the " creation " is in " mind " only..... the " individual soul " ....is in mind only.... Regards Marc > dear friend > > > > Lord Krishna clearly stated that the soul is a part of creation and it is the modification of His Paraprakruti or Parasakti or Maya. His Maya is modified as this creation and maintains the creation (Yayedam Dharyate—Gita). Thus He is not the soul, which is a part of the creation. > > > > In the second chapter He said that the soul is permanent with reference to the gross body. By this statement people have misunderstood that the soul (individual human being) is eternal and so it is Parabrahman (Lord). People have slipped here in not noting the permanency of soul with respect temporary gross body (Hanyamane Sarire—Gita). Lord Krishna created the souls again when the Prajapati (A representative of Brahma) stole His friends along with the cows. If the soul is eternal, it's duplicate cannot be created with the same characteristics. > > > > If the soul comes under the category of Prakruti, the Lord is denoted by the word Purusha (Prakritim Purusham—Gita). If you call the soul as Purusha the Lord is denoted by the word Purushottama (Yasmat Ksharat—Gita). The Maya is the direct cause of the creation but Parabrahman being the cause of Maya is the indirect cause of creation. Thus both the statements are given in Gita. Parabrahman says that He is maintaining the creation (Mayi Sarvamidam—Gita). It is also said that the Maya maintains the creation (Dharyate Jagat— Gita). Parabrahman maintains Maya and the Maya maintains the creation. The mind is based on the dreamer and the dream is based on mind. Thus the ultimate substratum is Parabrahman or Lord only. > > > > regards & > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> wrote: > ....the meaning of spiritual effort will show you that everything what you percieve is God > so the real meaning of spiritual effort....is to loose the wrong identification.....the seperations...... > ...even to your Satguru....or to whoever....and whatever > wish you to loose all this illusions of seperations > > Regards > > Marc > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 dear friend Lord is substratum of the whole creation and hence forms base. Without Him creation cannot sustain. Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one's deeds. Creation is in Lord but Lord is not the creation. But such a Lord can enter creation at the request of devotees who wants Him only and His service. He comes down to give four fortunes to His devotees (to talk, to touch, co-living and to serve). at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: >hello friend, the " creation " is in " mind " only..... the " individual soul " ....is in mind only.... Regards Marc SURYA surya www.universal-spirituality.org FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 In a message dated 11/4/2005 8:58:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Lord Krishna clearly stated that the soul is a part of creation and it is the modification of His Paraprakruti or Parasakti or Maya. His Maya is modified as this creation and maintains the creation (Yayedam Dharyate—Gita). Thus He is not the soul, which is a part of the creation. In the second chapter He said that the soul is permanent with reference to the gross body. By this statement people have misunderstood that the soul (individual human being) is eternal and so it is Parabrahman (Lord). People have slipped here in not noting the permanency of soul with respect temporary gross body (Hanyamane Sarire—Gita). Lord Krishna created the souls again when the Prajapati (A representative of Brahma) stole His friends along with the cows. If the soul is eternal, it’s duplicate cannot be created with the same characteristics. Yup. The soul is clearly illusory and conceptual as demonstrated by the fact that there seem to be a multiplicity of souls. The only truth is the singularity of oneness. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Q) Sankara says that this world is not true which is like a dream. But Ramanuja says that even the dream is true. How do you correlate these two? A) Sankara never told that this world is not a truth. He told that this world is Mithya. Mithya means very little truth, which can be almost considered as untrue. The dream is Mithya. Any body in the dream cannot call it as a dream because he becomes the part and parcel of the dream. The ant cannot be Mithya for another ant. The ant is Mithya only for an elephant. Therefore this world is Mithya for the Lord. This is a daydream of the Lord. There is not ignorance in the daydream and therefore the Lord did not become ignorant. Sankara entered the house of Mandana Misra even though the doors were locked. Therefore the world is Mithya for Him. Mithya is not untrue. Ramanuja said that this world is not a dream for a soul. The soul is a part and parcel of the world. Mithya is not Mithya for a Mithya. This is the interpretation of Ramanuja. In fact Sankara came as Ramanuja and clarified misunderstanding. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org ADHHUB wrote: Yup. The soul is clearly illusory and conceptual as demonstrated by the fact that there seem to be a ultiplicity of souls. The only truth is the singularity of oneness. Phil FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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