Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: >Boy! You sure have come a long way from those >days when W and I used to call you Mr. " you >missed the point. " That is good to see! Hi Pete, I have often changed the forms Of my communication here You also have ... I see your point, Pete But I have no point I never had There is nothing I can get across To be honest, I have nothing except... Ending up with myself I only can start from myself and... Here is no direct perception Here is only hallucination Today a very relaxed one But I still have my sword... haha... <smiles> LoLiLa Stefan P : haha is right. You are still posting so you must have a point to get across. Only a ball has no point, no edge, but they don't post either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: >P : haha is right. You are still >posting so you must have a point >to get across. Only a ball has no >point, no edge, but they don't post >either. Why not see me as a ball That does post? For a try... And watch what happens LoLaLi Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 In a message dated 11/3/2005 2:28:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: >...Can you think of any idea which is not preconceived? >One can simply look at what is, rather than one's ideas about what is. ... hallihallo... did it never occur to you that all you perceive are ideas? What else is " perception " than having ideas? The stuff which is prior to ideas is in darkness... the moment it dawns(!) to you it is an idea. And in darkness... there is no perceiver. Nobody to " simply look what is " . I prefer to call perception as is... and conclude that everybody already and always sees what is. We are all truly living in truth. From where perception happens - your home, your source - has been called wordless wonder here, some time ago. And it might not be existent, but this is irrelevant. Being is simply relaxed. All truth (small 't') is contextual. Does it seem silly to discuss our truths 'as if' any of them are Absolute Truth? I'm seeing a lot of folks here who apparently still believe this can be done, because they keep trying to do it by repeating ad nauseum how this or that isn't real or doesn't exist or is an illusion. How many years have y'all been correcting each others language in an attempt to speak Truth? Why not just explore the illusory ideas and enjoy the illusory conversation? One may observe a situation with all sorts of preconceived ideas about what will be found and what will be seen will match those ideas. Alternatively, one may ignore those notions and attempt to understand what is being said. That's all that was being said. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: >All truth (small 't') is contextual. Does it seem silly to discuss >our truths 'as if' any of them are Absolute Truth? I'm seeing a lot >of folks here who apparently still believe this can be done, because >they keep trying to do it by repeating ad nauseum how this or that >isn't real or doesn't exist or is an illusion. How many years have >y'all been correcting each others language in an attempt to speak >Truth? Dear Phil, ....it does not matter. You say all those truths are contextual. Well, this seems common sense and obvious, but did you take into account the nature of all those contexts? What if there was no such things? AAAAhhhhh! There they go like burst balloons :-) You ask: >Why not just explore the illusory ideas and enjoy the illusory >conversation? " Explore " ? " Illusory " ? How? I do not know what you mean... are you sure you know it? " Enjoy " I can understand better. So, I hope you fully, 100% enjoy!!!? >One may observe a situation with all sorts of preconceived ideas >about what will be found and what will be seen will match those >ideas. Alternatively, one may ignore those notions and attempt to >understand what is being said. That's all that was being said. Ok, well, then... ? Go for it. It is good to understand the situation. (lots of water is going down the Gangees between here and now ) LaLiLo Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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