[Nonduality Salon] Simply Nondual for Alan

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On Nov 4, 2005, at 4:12 AM, NondualitySalon wrote:

 

>>

>> P: Ha, ha! Truly comical! Notice how he dismisses

>> God as a concept and belief in the first paragraph

>> and then shamelessly foist on us a more ridiculous

>> concept and belief about some fanciful ten bodies in

>> the second.

>> That people take this as serious spirituality is

>> somewhat sad, though.

>> Deep Sigh followed by wan smile. LOL

>>

>> Pete

>>

>> ~~~~~~~~~~

>>

>> Hello there Pete.Sorry I can't and don't read everything or much on

>> this fine list these

> days but what you said caught my attention here.It reminds me of

> something I would have

> said at one time..Perhaps for the same reason you say this or maybe

> not( I didn't

> know)..Some of my own reasons for saying what you said above because

> my own research

> intellectual and understanding some of my own experiences.being able

> to verify them and

> then articulate them and then integrate them into a wholistic manner

> were not yet

> acheived..The various higher being bodies that Yogi Bhajan talked

> about is also refered to

> as part of the Sambhogakaya body of buddhism.Ken Wilber has done

> enough research and

> explains this fairly well..Gurdjieff refers to higher being bodies and

> many others from

> astral,mental to causal..Nonduality whether zen or advaita works with

> the causal body and

> if this is really understood on a experiential level and not only

> something parroted off

> from the intellectual level creates

>> openings for subtle realm subtle body subtle energies to be

>> experienced..Since this is a

> nondual list these relative material subtle body ,mind and emotion

> type bodies are valid

> and real and should be talked about ,understood and experienced

> according to some

> people (sages)..

 

 

P: Hi Alan. Sorry to hear that you have fallen from

simplicity into complexity. I travel light in the belief

department. Only one belief in my belief carry-on

bag (maybe I should have spelled: carrion bag) ha ha.

My one belief is uncompromising unity, All is One. This

One is incomprehensible. All efforts to explain the

One end in ever increasing illusory complexity. I do

understand your predicament. You still hope something

of Alan will survive, so having 10 subtle bodies is a

comforting fantasy.

 

All efforts to explain essence ends in fantasy. This is

also true in science. Look at M String theory. It poses

not only an universe made of nano-spaghetti, but

parallel universes, and 11 dimensions. And all these,

in the name of simplicity, and looking for " a theory of

everything. " All these fantastic theories are only needed

to fix mathematical inconsistencies and to prop up

prior sagging theories. And so they build a whole

edifice of hypotheses, one propping up the other, and

none valid or verifiable outside its peculiar edifice.

 

The ruse of explaining one explanation with another

and palming that for proof has been practiced in

spiritually for countless centuries. Unfortunately, the

mind seeks not to prove its beliefs, but to justify them.

If a person believes in ghosts every unexplained

noise and shadow perceived in the night is taken

as proof. Nondualy requires ruthless simplification.

in nonduality there is only room for one.

 

Pete

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In a message dated 11/4/2005 8:58:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

P: Hi Alan. Sorry to hear that you have fallen from

simplicity into complexity. I travel light in the belief

department. Only one belief in my belief carry-on

bag (maybe I should have spelled: carrion bag) ha ha.

My one belief is uncompromising unity, All is One. This

One is incomprehensible. All efforts to explain the

One end in ever increasing illusory complexity. I do

understand your predicament. You still hope something

of Alan will survive, so having 10 subtle bodies is a

comforting fantasy.

 

All efforts to explain essence ends in fantasy. This is

also true in science. Look at M String theory. It poses

not only an universe made of nano-spaghetti, but

parallel universes, and 11 dimensions. And all these,

in the name of simplicity, and looking for " a theory of

everything. " All these fantastic theories are only needed

to fix mathematical inconsistencies and to prop up

prior sagging theories. And so they build a whole

edifice of hypotheses, one propping up the other, and

none valid or verifiable outside its peculiar edifice.

 

The ruse of explaining one explanation with another

and palming that for proof has been practiced in

spiritually for countless centuries. Unfortunately, the

mind seeks not to prove its beliefs, but to justify them.

If a person believes in ghosts every unexplained

noise and shadow perceived in the night is taken

as proof. Nondualy requires ruthless simplification.

in nonduality there is only room for one.

 

Pete

 

 

 

 

 

I agree. An honest exploration of truth leads to an elegant simplicity

rather than more complexity. (Still working on that.)

 

Phil