Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 > Old quotes ca. 2001 > > #1 > > " It can be said 'I Am The Supreme', but this is as close as can be > gotten in words, and is not really true. The Supreme cannot even be > Subjectiveness, because Beingness or I AM involves the duality of > consciousness and unconsciousness. Beyond consciousness, not a word > can be said, including 'Beingness' or 'I Am'. Consciousness, like the > illusion of personality, is also an illusion, and therefore a burden. > Beyond consciousness, beyond unconsciousness, the Supreme Is, but > nothing can be said. It is not a subject or an object, it neither is > nor is not. One cannot be it or not be it. " > -- Omkara > Who is Omkara , Tim ? E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch> wrote: > > Old quotes ca. 2001 > > #1 > > " It can be said 'I Am The Supreme', but this is as close as can be > gotten in words, and is not really true. The Supreme cannot even be > Subjectiveness, because Beingness or I AM involves the duality of > consciousness and unconsciousness. Beyond consciousness, not a word > can be said, including 'Beingness' or 'I Am'. Consciousness, like the > illusion of personality, is also an illusion, and therefore a burden. > Beyond consciousness, beyond unconsciousness, the Supreme Is, but > nothing can be said. It is not a subject or an object, it neither is > nor is not. One cannot be it or not be it. " > -- Omkara > When mind searches within its own bucket of words for a description of its own imagined reality.......it can expect a little confusion. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch> wrote: > > > > Old quotes ca. 2001 > > > > #1 > > > > " It can be said 'I Am The Supreme', but this is as close as can be > > gotten in words, and is not really true. The Supreme cannot even be > > Subjectiveness, because Beingness or I AM involves the duality of > > consciousness and unconsciousness. Beyond consciousness, not a word > > can be said, including 'Beingness' or 'I Am'. Consciousness, like the > > illusion of personality, is also an illusion, and therefore a burden. > > Beyond consciousness, beyond unconsciousness, the Supreme Is, but > > nothing can be said. It is not a subject or an object, it neither is > > nor is not. One cannot be it or not be it. " > > -- Omkara > > > > > When mind searches within its own bucket of words for a description of its own imagined > reality.......it can expect a little confusion. > > > When the imagined self sets off to find its own origins........what do you suppose it hopes to find? > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch> wrote: > > > > > > Old quotes ca. 2001 > > > > > > #1 > > > > > > " It can be said 'I Am The Supreme', but this is as close as can be > > > gotten in words, and is not really true. The Supreme cannot even be > > > Subjectiveness, because Beingness or I AM involves the duality of > > > consciousness and unconsciousness. Beyond consciousness, not a word > > > can be said, including 'Beingness' or 'I Am'. Consciousness, like the > > > illusion of personality, is also an illusion, and therefore a burden. > > > Beyond consciousness, beyond unconsciousness, the Supreme Is, but > > > nothing can be said. It is not a subject or an object, it neither is > > > nor is not. One cannot be it or not be it. " > > > -- Omkara > > > > > > > > > When mind searches within its own bucket of words for a description of its own > imagined > > reality.......it can expect a little confusion. > > > > > > > When the imagined self sets off to find its own origins........what do you suppose it hopes > to find? > > > > If a character in a play is scripted to be a seeker........but is also scripted to believe that it is the writer of the play in which it is playing a seeker........it can probably expect that a bumpy road (leading to nowhere) is also part of its script. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch> wrote: > > > > > > > > Old quotes ca. 2001 > > > > > > > > #1 > > > > > > > > " It can be said 'I Am The Supreme', but this is as close as can be > > > > gotten in words, and is not really true. The Supreme cannot even be > > > > Subjectiveness, because Beingness or I AM involves the duality of > > > > consciousness and unconsciousness. Beyond consciousness, not a word > > > > can be said, including 'Beingness' or 'I Am'. Consciousness, like the > > > > illusion of personality, is also an illusion, and therefore a burden. > > > > Beyond consciousness, beyond unconsciousness, the Supreme Is, but > > > > nothing can be said. It is not a subject or an object, it neither is > > > > nor is not. One cannot be it or not be it. " > > > > -- Omkara > > > > > > > > > > > > > When mind searches within its own bucket of words for a description of its own > > imagined > > > reality.......it can expect a little confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the imagined self sets off to find its own origins........what do you suppose it > hopes > > to find? > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a character in a play is scripted to be a seeker........but is also scripted to believe that it > is the writer of the play in which it is playing a seeker........it can probably expect that a > bumpy road (leading to nowhere) is also part of its script. > > > > A chimpanzee.....looking in a mirror will sometimes start to realize that it is his own image that he is seeing......but:................He better stop right there...........or he can look forward to twenty or thirty years searching for something that doesn't even exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Old quotes ca. 2001 > > > > > > > > > > #1 > > > > > > > > > > " It can be said 'I Am The Supreme', but this is as close as can be > > > > > gotten in words, and is not really true. The Supreme cannot even be > > > > > Subjectiveness, because Beingness or I AM involves the duality of > > > > > consciousness and unconsciousness. Beyond consciousness, not a word > > > > > can be said, including 'Beingness' or 'I Am'. Consciousness, like the > > > > > illusion of personality, is also an illusion, and therefore a burden. > > > > > Beyond consciousness, beyond unconsciousness, the Supreme Is, but > > > > > nothing can be said. It is not a subject or an object, it neither is > > > > > nor is not. One cannot be it or not be it. " > > > > > -- Omkara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When mind searches within its own bucket of words for a description of its own > > > imagined > > > > reality.......it can expect a little confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the imagined self sets off to find its own origins........what do you suppose it > > hopes > > > to find? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a character in a play is scripted to be a seeker........but is also scripted to believe that > it > > is the writer of the play in which it is playing a seeker........it can probably expect that a > > bumpy road (leading to nowhere) is also part of its script. > > > > > > > > > > A chimpanzee.....looking in a mirror will sometimes start to realize that it is his own image > that he is seeing......but:................He better stop right there...........or he can look forward > to twenty or thirty years searching for something that doesn't even exist. > > > > Coco the signing gorilla uses over one thousand words. One can only pray that they don't tell about enlightenment. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Old quotes ca. 2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > #1 > > > > > > > > > > > > " It can be said 'I Am The Supreme', but this is as close as can be > > > > > > gotten in words, and is not really true. The Supreme cannot even be > > > > > > Subjectiveness, because Beingness or I AM involves the duality of > > > > > > consciousness and unconsciousness. Beyond consciousness, not a word > > > > > > can be said, including 'Beingness' or 'I Am'. Consciousness, like the > > > > > > illusion of personality, is also an illusion, and therefore a burden. > > > > > > Beyond consciousness, beyond unconsciousness, the Supreme Is, but > > > > > > nothing can be said. It is not a subject or an object, it neither is > > > > > > nor is not. One cannot be it or not be it. " > > > > > > -- Omkara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When mind searches within its own bucket of words for a description of its own > > > > imagined > > > > > reality.......it can expect a little confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the imagined self sets off to find its own origins........what do you suppose it > > > hopes > > > > to find? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a character in a play is scripted to be a seeker........but is also scripted to believe > that > > it > > > is the writer of the play in which it is playing a seeker........it can probably expect that > a > > > bumpy road (leading to nowhere) is also part of its script. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A chimpanzee.....looking in a mirror will sometimes start to realize that it is his own > image > > that he is seeing......but:................He better stop right there...........or he can look > forward > > to twenty or thirty years searching for something that doesn't even exist. > > > > > > > > > > > Coco the signing gorilla uses over one thousand words. > > One can only pray that they don't tell about enlightenment. > > ..............or tell her about Ramana's cow. > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 > > > > > > Coco Her name is spelled KOKO > the signing gorilla uses over one thousand words. > > > > One can only pray that they don't tell about enlightenment. > > > > > he heh Era > > > > .............or tell her about Ramana's cow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 Beyond counsciousness there is noone who can say a word! and now this is the case too. i mean, counsciousness a burden?!? for whom? love Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch> wrote: > > Old quotes ca. 2001 > > #1 > > " It can be said 'I Am The Supreme', but this is as close as can be > gotten in words, and is not really true. The Supreme cannot even be > Subjectiveness, because Beingness or I AM involves the duality of > consciousness and unconsciousness. Beyond consciousness, not a word > can be said, including 'Beingness' or 'I Am'. Consciousness, like the > illusion of personality, is also an illusion, and therefore a burden. > Beyond consciousness, beyond unconsciousness, the Supreme Is, but > nothing can be said. It is not a subject or an object, it neither is > nor is not. One cannot be it or not be it. " > -- Omkara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 And within consciousness there is also noone who can say a word. Consciousness cannot be any burden simply because it doesn't exist. Consciousness is its content and there is no escape from that flow of contents because there is noone who could escape it or flow with it. Werner Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > Beyond counsciousness there is noone who can say a word! and now this > is the case too. i mean, counsciousness a burden?!? for whom? > love > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch> wrote: > > > > Old quotes ca. 2001 > > > > #1 > > > > " It can be said 'I Am The Supreme', but this is as close as can be > > gotten in words, and is not really true. The Supreme cannot even be > > Subjectiveness, because Beingness or I AM involves the duality of > > consciousness and unconsciousness. Beyond consciousness, not a word > > can be said, including 'Beingness' or 'I Am'. Consciousness, like > the > > illusion of personality, is also an illusion, and therefore a > burden. > > Beyond consciousness, beyond unconsciousness, the Supreme Is, but > > nothing can be said. It is not a subject or an object, it neither is > > nor is not. One cannot be it or not be it. " > > -- Omkara > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 yes, knowing this is liberation. there is noone inside noone of these bodies, shapes and sounds and movements. much love waaba Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > And within consciousness there is also noone who can say a word. > > Consciousness cannot be any burden simply because it doesn't exist. > > Consciousness is its content and there is no escape from that flow of > contents because there is noone who could escape it or flow with it. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Beyond counsciousness there is noone who can say a word! and now > this > > is the case too. i mean, counsciousness a burden?!? for whom? > > love > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch> wrote: > > > > > > Old quotes ca. 2001 > > > > > > #1 > > > > > > " It can be said 'I Am The Supreme', but this is as close as can > be > > > gotten in words, and is not really true. The Supreme cannot even > be > > > Subjectiveness, because Beingness or I AM involves the duality of > > > consciousness and unconsciousness. Beyond consciousness, not a > word > > > can be said, including 'Beingness' or 'I Am'. Consciousness, > like > > the > > > illusion of personality, is also an illusion, and therefore a > > burden. > > > Beyond consciousness, beyond unconsciousness, the Supreme Is, but > > > nothing can be said. It is not a subject or an object, it > neither is > > > nor is not. One cannot be it or not be it. " > > > -- Omkara > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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