Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Divine Message from His Holiness Shri Datta Swami dear friends World Religions If anyone says that his/her religion is the only path to God and that other paths lead to hell, I have one humble question. The question is for every religion without any trace of partiality. The simple question is: Today I have heard your Religion and if I follow that, I reach God and if I refuse I will go to the hell for my own fault. This is very much reasonable. But before your ancestors discovered our country, the literature or even the name of your religion was not known to our ancestor and he could not reach God for no fault of him. But your ancestor reached God through your religion at that time. Even if I assume that my ancestor will take rebirth now and will follow your religion to reach God, such possibility is ruled out because you say that there is no rebirth for the soul. Thus my ancestor suffered forever for no fault of him and the responsibility for this falls on the partiality of God. Had the God been impartial, He could have revealed your religion to all the countries at a time. Had that happened, my ancestor might have also reached God as your ancestor. Therefore your statement proves your own God partial. The only way left over to you to make your God impartial is that you must accept that your God appeared in all the countries at a time in various forms and preached your path in various languages. The same form did not appear everywhere and the same language does not exist everywhere. The syllabus and explanation are one and the same, though the media and teachers are different. Can you give any alternative reasonable answer to my question other than this? Certainly not! Any person of any religion to any other religion can pose this question. Moreover every religion states that their God only created this world. Unfortunately this world is one only and every God cannot create the same world. There are no many worlds to justify that each God created His own world. Therefore any human being with an iota of commonsense has to agree that there is only one impartial God who created this one world and He came in different forms to different countries and preached the same path in all the languages simultaneously at one time. Let this logic sword of the divine knowledge cut the rigid conservatism of the religious fans in this world to establish the Universal Peace. I need not beg all these religious followers to be united and harmonious to each other for the sake of world peace. Such begging appeals are made enough in the past. The religious fans feel that there is no unity really in the religions but they have to be united since their kind hearts melted by these appeals. Thus a temporary change was only brought. At the maximum one generation of the followers got united. The next generation fights with each other because they feel that there is no real unity in them due to lack of the real unity in their religious scriptures. A permanent solution for this does not lie in the begging appeals, which may or may not unite the followers. Even if the appeals unite such unity is not permanent. If the real unity in all the religious scriptures is exposed through the logical divine knowledge, the followers have to be united for generations together. Therefore, My attack is not on the hearts of the followers through love and kindness. My attack is on all the religious scriptures through intellectual logical analysis of divine knowledge. The unity of hearts through love can be only temporary. The unity of brains through intellectual analytical divine knowledge will be permanent. Hearts agree but brains realize. Agreement is temporary, but realization is permanent. Thus this is My first blow of My divine Conch shell for the permanent unity of all the religions aiming at eternal Universal Peace. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org ADHHUB wrote: Miracles of Jesus ministry has called entire Hindu Religion as Satanic. Why would it be a problem what a christian website has to say about hindus? God can be respected if one chooses. Humans can be respected if one chooses. Why must a belief be respected? What is it about thoughts that demands respect? Must everyone's belief be respected? What of the belief that all infidels must die no matter the cost? Phil FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Please devote atleast an hour daily for Nation building and Religious work. If anyone is interested in contributing towards Hindu Janjagruti Samiti's Religious work, he/she can contact pravakta. 1. We need translators from Marathi/Hindi - >English 2. We also need help from Advocates and lawyers who would like to contribute to Hindu Dharma. Please contribute to this Dharma Kaarya. Thanks and Regards, Hindu Janjagruti Samiti. prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: Divine Message from His Holiness Shri Datta Swami dear friends World Religions If anyone says that his/her religion is the only path to God and that other paths lead to hell, I have one humble question. The question is for every religion without any trace of partiality. The simple question is: Today I have heard your Religion and if I follow that, I reach God and if I refuse I will go to the hell for my own fault. This is very much reasonable. But before your ancestors discovered our country, the literature or even the name of your religion was not known to our ancestor and he could not reach God for no fault of him. But your ancestor reached God through your religion at that time. Even if I assume that my ancestor will take rebirth now and will follow your religion to reach God, such possibility is ruled out because you say that there is no rebirth for the soul. Thus my ancestor suffered forever for no fault of him and the responsibility for this falls on the partiality of God. Had the God been impartial, He could have revealed your religion to all the countries at a time. Had that happened, my ancestor might have also reached God as your ancestor. Therefore your statement proves your own God partial. The only way left over to you to make your God impartial is that you must accept that your God appeared in all the countries at a time in various forms and preached your path in various languages. The same form did not appear everywhere and the same language does not exist everywhere. The syllabus and explanation are one and the same, though the media and teachers are different. Can you give any alternative reasonable answer to my question other than this? Certainly not! Any person of any religion to any other religion can pose this question. Moreover every religion states that their God only created this world. Unfortunately this world is one only and every God cannot create the same world. There are no many worlds to justify that each God created His own world. Therefore any human being with an iota of commonsense has to agree that there is only one impartial God who created this one world and He came in different forms to different countries and preached the same path in all the languages simultaneously at one time. Let this logic sword of the divine knowledge cut the rigid conservatism of the religious fans in this world to establish the Universal Peace. I need not beg all these religious followers to be united and harmonious to each other for the sake of world peace. Such begging appeals are made enough in the past. The religious fans feel that there is no unity really in the religions but they have to be united since their kind hearts melted by these appeals. Thus a temporary change was only brought. At the maximum one generation of the followers got united. The next generation fights with each other because they feel that there is no real unity in them due to lack of the real unity in their religious scriptures. A permanent solution for this does not lie in the begging appeals, which may or may not unite the followers. Even if the appeals unite such unity is not permanent. If the real unity in all the religious scriptures is exposed through the logical divine knowledge, the followers have to be united for generations together. Therefore, My attack is not on the hearts of the followers through love and kindness. My attack is on all the religious scriptures through intellectual logical analysis of divine knowledge. The unity of hearts through love can be only temporary. The unity of brains through intellectual analytical divine knowledge will be permanent. Hearts agree but brains realize. Agreement is temporary, but realization is permanent. Thus this is My first blow of My divine Conch shell for the permanent unity of all the religions aiming at eternal Universal Peace. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org ADHHUB wrote: Miracles of Jesus ministry has called entire Hindu Religion as Satanic. Why would it be a problem what a christian website has to say about hindus? God can be respected if one chooses. Humans can be respected if one chooses. Why must a belief be respected? What is it about thoughts that demands respect? Must everyone's belief be respected? What of the belief that all infidels must die no matter the cost? 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Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 dear friends Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami Q) Hindus are converted into Christians. How do you stop this conversion? Ans) I am neither Hindu nor Christian. I belong to Universal Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the conversion being done is whether based on conversion of religion or spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested in the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need because all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a political background by which a religion wants to increase its number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming to remove the Roman Government and establish Jadish rule, Jesus refused to join hands with that revolutionist. If you are prosperous, the first people who are jealous are the people of your religious community only. If you are trying to convert the entire world into one religion, the entire world will become jealous when you prosper. Is this your ultimate result? Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as said by both by Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading towards Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions only can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord and not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in majority. Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise the Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative minority and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about the conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few Christians are also converted into Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If your worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you should not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also. I am completely against to the conversion from one religion to the other religion because any religion has the same spirituality and same God. The external dress of God and the language of spirituality- syllabus differ from one religion to the other religion. Therefore, there is no meaning in the conversion. It is like two different classes of the same school in different languages. The two classes belong to the same standard and the same teacher goes and teaches the same syllabus to the two classes in their respective languages. Even if a person changed one class to the other, the teacher and the syllabus remains same. Whatever may be the religion, he remains as a theist only. If a theist becomes an atheist, then, we shall worry about him. Thus by conversion no religion gained anything and no religion lost any thing. After all, the person is in the same house of spirituality and he has changed form one room to the other. I don’t know why some people are anxious about conversion and some other people are feeling for the conversion. The person does not develop by conversion. If a student changes one section to the other, his standard did not raise. Only his language is changed and syllabus remains same. Thus by conversion, one has changed the culture and language only but not the actual substance called as spirituality. Change of culture is not spiritual progress. In every language all standards are present. He should try to go to the higher standard in his own language and then that is called as academic progress. Similarly one should try to go to higher levels of spirituality in his own religion. One should go up vertically from lower standard to higher standard in his own religion to reach the goal quickly, but not go horizontally from one religion to the other religion. The former is called as progress and latter is waste of energy and time. If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise him “why you are so much particular about the change in the culture which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have plenty of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist.” On the same occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, “Most of Hindus are poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to poor fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians. Majority of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you worry? The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you need not worry about this.” I wish every human being in this world to recognize the underlying common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal Spirituality. If that is realized, a Christian will not worry even if the entire world becomes Hindus and a Hindu will not worry even if the entire world becomes Christians. Either the Christian or Hindu should worry if the entire world is filled with atheists. Any human being can ware dress of any colour. Nothing is gained if majority wears shirts of a particular colour and if one celebrates that as victory, there cannot be more foolish ignorance than this. One should become the fish living in the unlimited ocean of Universal Spirituality .One should not linger as stagnant fish of his own river called religion. If the fish of the river is patient to travel to the end of its religion- river, it will find the above said ocean. One can chose any religion of his choice in this world. All religions are equal but not all the steps in any religion. All standards in a school are not equal but all classes in different languages of the same standard are equal. The formless God, the form full God like statues and the human form of God are gradually school, college and University levels. Hanuman is the highest among devotees and He also gained the highest result, which is the post of creator. No body can be wiser, more devoted and more gifted than Hanuman. He worshipped Rama who was human form of God in His time. In Valmiki Ramayana, there was no single reference for Him worshipping formless God or energetic forms like Brahma, Vishnu etc., or statutes. Similarly there was no single reference to Him doing Bhajans or doing meditation by mind or discussing about God using intelligence. Hanuman silently worked for the Lord and got the result also silently. Thus human form of God and practical participation in His work are highest steps to please the Lord. You should not say that all the steps are equal in a stare case, but all the staircases are equal. posted by: surya at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Hindu Janajagruti Samiti <hindu_janjagruti wrote: Please devote atleast an hour daily for Nation building and Religious work. If anyone is interested in contributing towards Hindu Janjagruti Samiti's Religious work, he/she can contact pravakta. 1. We need translators from Marathi/Hindi - >English 2. 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