There is a state when words cease and silence prevails

November 17, 2005

" The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living without the

sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity. Silence is ever

speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is interrupted by

speaking; for words obstruct this mute language. Silence is permanent

and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence, eloquence is

meant. It is the best language. There is a state when words cease and

silence prevails. "

http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

November 18, 2005

If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-surrender,

wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

<dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

>

> " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living without the

> sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity. Silence is ever

> speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is interrupted by

> speaking; for words obstruct this mute language. Silence is permanent

> and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence, eloquence is

> meant. It is the best language. There is a state when words cease and

> silence prevails. "

>

> http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

>

November 18, 2005

Dear Werner,

Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means that you forgot the

teachings from your holybooks.

Dhaiwat

Werner Woehr <wwoehr wrote:

If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-surrender,

wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

<dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

>

> " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living without the

> sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity. Silence is ever

> speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is interrupted by

> speaking; for words obstruct this mute language. Silence is permanent

> and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence, eloquence is

> meant. It is the best language. There is a state when words cease and

> silence prevails. "

>

> http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

>

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November 18, 2005

Sorry my friend,

First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence IS self-

surrender.

If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself would have shut up

and not replied because I would have accepted his not being sure.

You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that spiritual crap

which others wrote before. Words, words, words ... and you yourself

are so sure that this words represent truth but they don't.

And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There is not the

least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing and following

and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering a huge amount

of perfumed words.

Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to attract a lot of

those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting in their pampers.

And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

Werner

Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti Samiti

<hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

>

> Dear Werner,

> Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means that you

forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

>

> Dhaiwat

>

> Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-

surrender,

> wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> >

> > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living without

the

> > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity. Silence is ever

> > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is

interrupted by

> > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language. Silence is

permanent

> > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence, eloquence is

> > meant. It is the best language. There is a state when words cease

and

> > silence prevails. "

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> >

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November 18, 2005

Dear Hindu,

Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means that you forgot the

teachings from your holybooks.

Phil

(Sorry, couldn't resist. Hehe.)

In a message dated 11/18/2005 1:37:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

Dear Werner,

Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means that you forgot the

teachings from your holybooks.

Dhaiwat

Werner Woehr <wwoehr wrote:

If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-surrender,

wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

<dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

>

> " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living without the

> sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity. Silence is ever

> speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is interrupted by

> speaking; for words obstruct this mute language. Silence is permanent

> and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence, eloquence is

> meant. It is the best language. There is a state when words cease and

> silence prevails. "

>

> http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

>

November 18, 2005

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> Sorry my friend,

>

> First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence IS self-

> surrender.

>

> If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself would have shut

up

> and not replied because I would have accepted his not being sure.

>

> You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that spiritual crap

> which others wrote before. Words, words, words ... and you

yourself

> are so sure that this words represent truth but they don't.

>

> And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There is not the

> least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing and following

> and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering a huge

amount

> of perfumed words.

>

> Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to attract a lot of

> those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting in their

pampers.

> And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

>

> You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

>

> Werner

>

devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the playground...instead

of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around in diapers

why not visualize something that would be closer to the truth..

>

> Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti Samiti

> <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Werner,

> > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means that you

> forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> >

> > Dhaiwat

> >

> > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-

> surrender,

> > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > >

> > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living

without

> the

> > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity. Silence is

ever

> > > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is

> interrupted by

> > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language. Silence is

> permanent

> > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence,

eloquence is

> > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state when words

cease

> and

> > > silence prevails. "

> > >

> > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > >

> >

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November 19, 2005

Hi Devi,

Long time not met.

Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or Pete's, or

MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are drunken or hungry

or tired - that is all you as truth.

Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in books. You won't

find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment to moment.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry my friend,

> >

> > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence IS self-

> > surrender.

> >

> > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself would have

shut

> up

> > and not replied because I would have accepted his not being sure.

> >

> > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that spiritual

crap

> > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ... and you

> yourself

> > are so sure that this words represent truth but they don't.

> >

> > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There is not the

> > least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing and

following

> > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering a huge

> amount

> > of perfumed words.

> >

> > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to attract a lot of

> > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting in their

> pampers.

> > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> >

> > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

> devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

playground...instead

> of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around in diapers

> why not visualize something that would be closer to the truth..

>

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti Samiti

> > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Werner,

> > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means that you

> > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > >

> > > Dhaiwat

> > >

> > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-

> > surrender,

> > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living

> without

> > the

> > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity. Silence is

> ever

> > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is

> > interrupted by

> > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language. Silence is

> > permanent

> > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence,

> eloquence is

> > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state when words

> cease

> > and

> > > > silence prevails. "

> > > >

> > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > >

> > >

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November 19, 2005

You are nothing, this is the truth!

How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you want to go,

or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the map, is always

here and now, where I am.

love

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Devi,

>

> Long time not met.

>

> Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or Pete's, or

> MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

>

> You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are drunken or

hungry

> or tired - that is all you as truth.

>

> Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in books. You

won't

> find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment to moment.

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry my friend,

> > >

> > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence IS self-

> > > surrender.

> > >

> > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself would have

> shut

> > up

> > > and not replied because I would have accepted his not being

sure.

> > >

> > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that spiritual

> crap

> > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ... and you

> > yourself

> > > are so sure that this words represent truth but they don't.

> > >

> > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There is not

the

> > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing and

> following

> > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering a huge

> > amount

> > > of perfumed words.

> > >

> > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to attract a lot

of

> > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting in their

> > pampers.

> > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > >

> > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> playground...instead

> > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around in diapers

> > why not visualize something that would be closer to the truth..

> >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti Samiti

> > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means that

you

> > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > >

> > > > Dhaiwat

> > > >

> > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-

> > > surrender,

> > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living

> > without

> > > the

> > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity. Silence

is

> > ever

> > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is

> > > interrupted by

> > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language. Silence is

> > > permanent

> > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence,

> > eloquence is

> > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state when words

> > cease

> > > and

> > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > >

> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > >

> > > >

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November 19, 2005

werner:Hi Devi, Long time not met.

devi: hi hello

werner: Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or Pete's,

or Meher Baba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

devi: i don't know what petes truth is, and mine truth..is..not

important for me to tell right now

werner: You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are drunken

or hungry or tired - that is all you as truth.

devi: fine if you are happy feel sick drunken tired....that is you

as truth.fine ..that is for you, thats what you are learning...other

people are learning different ways of looking at themselves and

creation...

werner: Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in books.

devi: i see, so you don't approve of reading about what our self-

realized beings have learned..

werner: You won't find yourself in a book but in daily life from

moment to moment.

devi: what are doing in a nisargadatta group.? have you read his

books?

your statement *you won't find yourself in a book*, who are you

talking to ?..no one here thinks they are going to find themselves

in a book!

>

> Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

<wwoehr@p...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry my friend,

> > >

> > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence IS self-

> > > surrender.

> > >

> > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself would have

> shut

> > up

> > > and not replied because I would have accepted his not being

sure.

> > >

> > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that spiritual

> crap

> > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ... and you

> > yourself

> > > are so sure that this words represent truth but they don't.

> > >

> > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There is not

the

> > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing and

> following

> > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering a huge

> > amount

> > > of perfumed words.

> > >

> > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to attract a lot

of

> > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting in their

> > pampers.

> > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > >

> > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> playground...instead

> > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around in

diapers

> > why not visualize something that would be closer to the truth..

> >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti Samiti

> > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means that

you

> > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > >

> > > > Dhaiwat

> > > >

> > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-

> > > surrender,

> > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living

> > without

> > > the

> > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity. Silence

is

> > ever

> > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is

> > > interrupted by

> > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language. Silence

is

> > > permanent

> > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence,

> > eloquence is

> > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state when

words

> > cease

> > > and

> > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > >

> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > **

> > > >

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November 19, 2005

You are nothing, this is the truth!

devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you want to

go,

> or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the map, is always

> here and now, where I am.

> love

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Devi,

> >

> > Long time not met.

> >

> > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or Pete's, or

> > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> >

> > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are drunken or

> hungry

> > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> >

> > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in books. You

> won't

> > find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment to moment.

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

<polansky@m...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

<wwoehr@p...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > >

> > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence IS

self-

> > > > surrender.

> > > >

> > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself would

have

> > shut

> > > up

> > > > and not replied because I would have accepted his not being

> sure.

> > > >

> > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that

spiritual

> > crap

> > > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ... and you

> > > yourself

> > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but they don't.

> > > >

> > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There is not

> the

> > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing and

> > following

> > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering a huge

> > > amount

> > > > of perfumed words.

> > > >

> > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to attract a

lot

> of

> > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting in their

> > > pampers.

> > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > >

> > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > playground...instead

> > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around in

diapers

> > > why not visualize something that would be closer to the truth..

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti

Samiti

> > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means

that

> you

> > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-

> > > > surrender,

> > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living

> > > without

> > > > the

> > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity.

Silence

> is

> > > ever

> > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is

> > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language. Silence

is

> > > > permanent

> > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence,

> > > eloquence is

> > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state when

words

> > > cease

> > > > and

> > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > **

> > > > >

> > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change

> your

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November 19, 2005

wow!

so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

wrote:

>

> You are nothing, this is the truth!

>

> devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

>

> > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you want to

> go,

> > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the map, is

always

> > here and now, where I am.

> > love

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Devi,

> > >

> > > Long time not met.

> > >

> > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or Pete's, or

> > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > >

> > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are drunken or

> > hungry

> > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > >

> > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in books. You

> > won't

> > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment to moment.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> <polansky@m...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > >

> > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence IS

> self-

> > > > > surrender.

> > > > >

> > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself would

> have

> > > shut

> > > > up

> > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted his not being

> > sure.

> > > > >

> > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that

> spiritual

> > > crap

> > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ... and you

> > > > yourself

> > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but they don't.

> > > > >

> > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There is

not

> > the

> > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing and

> > > following

> > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering a

huge

> > > > amount

> > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > >

> > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to attract a

> lot

> > of

> > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting in

their

> > > > pampers.

> > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > playground...instead

> > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around in

> diapers

> > > > why not visualize something that would be closer to the

truth..

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti

> Samiti

> > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means

> that

> > you

> > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-

> > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is

living

> > > > without

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity.

> Silence

> > is

> > > > ever

> > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is

> > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language.

Silence

> is

> > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence,

> > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state when

> words

> > > > cease

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > **

> > > > > >

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November 19, 2005

LOL!!! :-D

dannyc

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

>

> wow!

> so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

>

> Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> wrote:

> >

> > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> >

> > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> >

> > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you want to

> > go,

> > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the map, is

> always

> > > here and now, where I am.

> > > love

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Devi,

> > > >

> > > > Long time not met.

> > > >

> > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or Pete's, or

> > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > >

> > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are drunken or

> > > hungry

> > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > >

> > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in books. You

> > > won't

> > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment to moment.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > <polansky@m...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence IS

> > self-

> > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself would

> > have

> > > > shut

> > > > > up

> > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted his not being

> > > sure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that

> > spiritual

> > > > crap

> > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ... and you

> > > > > yourself

> > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but they don't.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There is

> not

> > > the

> > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing and

> > > > following

> > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering a

> huge

> > > > > amount

> > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to attract a

> > lot

> > > of

> > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting in

> their

> > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > playground...instead

> > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around in

> > diapers

> > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer to the

> truth..

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti

> > Samiti

> > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means

> > that

> > > you

> > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence which is self-

> > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is

> living

> > > > > without

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity.

> > Silence

> > > is

> > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It is

> > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language.

> Silence

> > is

> > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By silence,

> > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state when

> > words

> > > > > cease

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > **

> > > > > > >

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> change

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November 19, 2005

devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is indescribable

>

wow!

> so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

>

> Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> wrote:

> >

> > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> >

> > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> >

> > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you want

to

> > go,

> > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the map, is

> always

> > > here and now, where I am.

> > > love

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

<wwoehr@p...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Devi,

> > > >

> > > > Long time not met.

> > > >

> > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or Pete's,

or

> > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > >

> > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are drunken

or

> > > hungry

> > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > >

> > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in books.

You

> > > won't

> > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment to

moment.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > <polansky@m...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence IS

> > self-

> > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself would

> > have

> > > > shut

> > > > > up

> > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted his not

being

> > > sure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that

> > spiritual

> > > > crap

> > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ... and

you

> > > > > yourself

> > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but they

don't.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There is

> not

> > > the

> > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing and

> > > > following

> > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering a

> huge

> > > > > amount

> > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to attract

a

> > lot

> > > of

> > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting in

> their

> > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > playground...instead

> > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around in

> > diapers

> > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer to the

> truth..

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti

> > Samiti

> > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This means

> > that

> > > you

> > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence which is

self-

> > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such baloney.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is

> living

> > > > > without

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity.

> > Silence

> > > is

> > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. " It

is

> > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language.

> Silence

> > is

> > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By

silence,

> > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state

when

> > words

> > > > > cease

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > **

> > > > > > >

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> change

> > > your

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November 20, 2005

Dear devi

is it indescribable because of your own inability to describe it or

because it has no characteristic?

Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

wrote:

>

> devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is indescribable

> >

>

> wow!

> > so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> > >

> > > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> > >

> > > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you want

> to

> > > go,

> > > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the map, is

> > always

> > > > here and now, where I am.

> > > > love

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Devi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Long time not met.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or

Pete's,

> or

> > > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > > >

> > > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are drunken

> or

> > > > hungry

> > > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in books.

> You

> > > > won't

> > > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment to

> moment.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence

IS

> > > self-

> > > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself

would

> > > have

> > > > > shut

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted his not

> being

> > > > sure.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that

> > > spiritual

> > > > > crap

> > > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ... and

> you

> > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but they

> don't.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There

is

> > not

> > > > the

> > > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing

and

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering a

> > huge

> > > > > > amount

> > > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to attract

> a

> > > lot

> > > > of

> > > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting in

> > their

> > > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > > playground...instead

> > > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around in

> > > diapers

> > > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer to the

> > truth..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti

> > > Samiti

> > > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This

means

> > > that

> > > > you

> > > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence which is

> self-

> > > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such

baloney.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is

> > living

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of humanity.

> > > Silence

> > > > is

> > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. "

It

> is

> > > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language.

> > Silence

> > > is

> > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By

> silence,

> > > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state

> when

> > > words

> > > > > > cease

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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November 20, 2005

Maybe Devi wants too to be indescribable ? Kinda security strategy.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

>

> Dear devi

> is it indescribable because of your own inability to describe it or

> because it has no characteristic?

>

> Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> wrote:

> >

> > devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is indescribable

> > >

> >

> > wow!

> > > so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

<polansky@m...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> > > >

> > > > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> > > >

> > > > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you

want

> > to

> > > > go,

> > > > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the map, is

> > > always

> > > > > here and now, where I am.

> > > > > love

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Devi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Long time not met.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or

> Pete's,

> > or

> > > > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are

drunken

> > or

> > > > > hungry

> > > > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in

books.

> > You

> > > > > won't

> > > > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment to

> > moment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner silence

> IS

> > > > self-

> > > > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself

> would

> > > > have

> > > > > > shut

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted his not

> > being

> > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > crap

> > > > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ...

and

> > you

> > > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but they

> > don't.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit. There

> is

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing

> and

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides uttering

a

> > > huge

> > > > > > > amount

> > > > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to

attract

> > a

> > > > lot

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting

in

> > > their

> > > > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > > > playground...instead

> > > > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around

in

> > > > diapers

> > > > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer to the

> > > truth..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu

Janajagruti

> > > > Samiti

> > > > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This

> means

> > > > that

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence which

is

> > self-

> > > > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such

> baloney.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is

> > > living

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of

humanity.

> > > > Silence

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow of " language. "

> It

> > is

> > > > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language.

> > > Silence

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By

> > silence,

> > > > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state

> > when

> > > > words

> > > > > > > cease

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > **

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November 20, 2005

Dear devi is it indescribable because of your own inability to

describe it or because it has no characteristic?

devi: if i said the Atman that you are is an unmoving, unchanging

immeasurable individualized energy would that be a characterzation?

>

> Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> wrote:

> >

> > devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is indescribable

> > >

> >

> > wow!

> > > so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

<polansky@m...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> > > >

> > > > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> > > >

> > > > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you

want

> > to

> > > > go,

> > > > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the map,

is

> > > always

> > > > > here and now, where I am.

> > > > > love

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Devi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Long time not met.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or

> Pete's,

> > or

> > > > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are

drunken

> > or

> > > > > hungry

> > > > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in

books.

> > You

> > > > > won't

> > > > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment to

> > moment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner

silence

> IS

> > > > self-

> > > > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself

> would

> > > > have

> > > > > > shut

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted his

not

> > being

> > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > crap

> > > > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ...

and

> > you

> > > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but they

> > don't.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit.

There

> is

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious. Believing

> and

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides

uttering a

> > > huge

> > > > > > > amount

> > > > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to

attract

> > a

> > > > lot

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting

in

> > > their

> > > > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > > > playground...instead

> > > > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting around

in

> > > > diapers

> > > > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer to

the

> > > truth..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu

Janajagruti

> > > > Samiti

> > > > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This

> means

> > > > that

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence which

is

> > self-

> > > > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such

> baloney.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that

is

> > > living

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of

humanity.

> > > > Silence

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow

of " language. "

> It

> > is

> > > > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute language.

> > > Silence

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By

> > silence,

> > > > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a state

> > when

> > > > words

> > > > > > > cease

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > **

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > change

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November 20, 2005

Maybe Devi wants too to be indescribable ? Kinda security strategy.

Werner

devi: devi is very describable....we are talking about the

Atman...do you know it?

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear devi

> > is it indescribable because of your own inability to describe it

or

> > because it has no characteristic?

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

<polansky@m...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is indescribable

> > > >

> > >

> > > wow!

> > > > so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> <polansky@m...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> > > > >

> > > > > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> > > > >

> > > > > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you

> want

> > > to

> > > > > go,

> > > > > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > > > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the map,

is

> > > > always

> > > > > > here and now, where I am.

> > > > > > love

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Devi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Long time not met.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or

> > Pete's,

> > > or

> > > > > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are

> drunken

> > > or

> > > > > > hungry

> > > > > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in

> books.

> > > You

> > > > > > won't

> > > > > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment

to

> > > moment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner

silence

> > IS

> > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself

> > would

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > shut

> > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted his

not

> > > being

> > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all

that

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > crap

> > > > > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ...

> and

> > > you

> > > > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but

they

> > > don't.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit.

There

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious.

Believing

> > and

> > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides

uttering

> a

> > > > huge

> > > > > > > > amount

> > > > > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to

> attract

> > > a

> > > > > lot

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still

sitting

> in

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > > > > playground...instead

> > > > > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting

around

> in

> > > > > diapers

> > > > > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer to

the

> > > > truth..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu

> Janajagruti

> > > > > Samiti

> > > > > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This

> > means

> > > > > that

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence

which

> is

> > > self-

> > > > > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such

> > baloney.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that

is

> > > > living

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of

> humanity.

> > > > > Silence

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow

of " language. "

> > It

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute

language.

> > > > Silence

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By

> > > silence,

> > > > > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a

state

> > > when

> > > > > words

> > > > > > > > cease

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > **

> > > > > > > > > >

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November 20, 2005

Devi,

Talking about the non-describable, are you serious ? Throw the Atman

onto the garbage dump if you can't describe it, and do the same with

Brahman and the Self and God and the Divine and what ever nonsense

your or any other person's childish dream worlds gives birth to.

And then let us meet face to face, you will give me a blow on my nose

and I will on your's. So at least we will do something real.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

wrote:

>

> Maybe Devi wants too to be indescribable ? Kinda security strategy.

> Werner

> devi: devi is very describable....we are talking about the

> Atman...do you know it?

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear devi

> > > is it indescribable because of your own inability to describe

it

> or

> > > because it has no characteristic?

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> <polansky@m...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is indescribable

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > wow!

> > > > > so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you

> > want

> > > > to

> > > > > > go,

> > > > > > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > > > > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the

map,

> is

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > here and now, where I am.

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi Devi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Long time not met.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or

> > > Pete's,

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are

> > drunken

> > > > or

> > > > > > > hungry

> > > > > > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in

> > books.

> > > > You

> > > > > > > won't

> > > > > > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment

> to

> > > > moment.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > > > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner

> silence

> > > IS

> > > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I

myself

> > > would

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > shut

> > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted his

> not

> > > > being

> > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all

> that

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > crap

> > > > > > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words,

words ...

> > and

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but

> they

> > > > don't.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit.

> There

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious.

> Believing

> > > and

> > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides

> uttering

> > a

> > > > > huge

> > > > > > > > > amount

> > > > > > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to

> > attract

> > > > a

> > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still

> sitting

> > in

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > > > > > playground...instead

> > > > > > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting

> around

> > in

> > > > > > diapers

> > > > > > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer to

> the

> > > > > truth..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu

> > Janajagruti

> > > > > > Samiti

> > > > > > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking.

This

> > > means

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence

> which

> > is

> > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such

> > > baloney.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And

that

> is

> > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of

> > humanity.

> > > > > > Silence

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow

> of " language. "

> > > It

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute

> language.

> > > > > Silence

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By

> > > > silence,

> > > > > > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a

> state

> > > > when

> > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > cease

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > **

> > > > > > > > > > >

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emails,

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > for

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November 20, 2005

Devi,

Talking about the non-describable, are you serious ? Throw the

Atman onto the garbage dump if you can't describe it, and do the

same with Brahman and the Self and God and the Divine and what ever

nonsense your or any other person's childish dream worlds gives

birth to.

devi: i see you really haven't reached the spiritual world...ok....

>

> And then let us meet face to face, you will give me a blow on my

nose

> and I will on your's. So at least we will do something real.

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Maybe Devi wants too to be indescribable ? Kinda security

strategy.

> > Werner

> > devi: devi is very describable....we are talking about the

> > Atman...do you know it?

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba "

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear devi

> > > > is it indescribable because of your own inability to

describe

> it

> > or

> > > > because it has no characteristic?

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > <polansky@m...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is

indescribable

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > wow!

> > > > > > so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do

you

> > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > go,

> > > > > > > > or what do you want to reach in order to be

yourself?

> > > > > > > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the

> map,

> > is

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > here and now, where I am.

> > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi Devi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Long time not met.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's,

or

> > > > Pete's,

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or

are

> > > drunken

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > hungry

> > > > > > > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found

in

> > > books.

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > > won't

> > > > > > > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from

moment

> > to

> > > > > moment.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > > > > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner

Woehr "

> > > > > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner

> > silence

> > > > IS

> > > > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I

> myself

> > > > would

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > shut

> > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted

his

> > not

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all

> > that

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > crap

> > > > > > > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words,

> words ...

> > > and

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth

but

> > they

> > > > > don't.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that

shit.

> > There

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious.

> > Believing

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides

> > uttering

> > > a

> > > > > > huge

> > > > > > > > > > amount

> > > > > > > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems

to

> > > attract

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still

> > sitting

> > > in

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > > > > > > playground...instead

> > > > > > > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting

> > around

> > > in

> > > > > > > diapers

> > > > > > > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer

to

> > the

> > > > > > truth..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu

> > > Janajagruti

> > > > > > > Samiti

> > > > > > > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking.

> This

> > > > means

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence

> > which

> > > is

> > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting

such

> > > > baloney.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And

> that

> > is

> > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of

> > > humanity.

> > > > > > > Silence

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow

> > of " language. "

> > > > It

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute

> > language.

> > > > > > Silence

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . .

By

> > > > > silence,

> > > > > > > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a

> > state

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > cease

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > **

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> emails,

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> > > > > > > > > Groups:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > >

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November 20, 2005

Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

wrote:

>

oh, no need of " if i said... " . Say it. if you don't, i cannot give

you a sincere answer.

love

> Dear devi is it indescribable because of your own inability to

> describe it or because it has no characteristic?

>

> devi: if i said the Atman that you are is an unmoving, unchanging

> immeasurable individualized energy would that be a characterzation?

>

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is indescribable

> > > >

> > >

> > > wow!

> > > > so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> <polansky@m...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> > > > >

> > > > > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> > > > >

> > > > > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do you

> want

> > > to

> > > > > go,

> > > > > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > > > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the map,

> is

> > > > always

> > > > > > here and now, where I am.

> > > > > > love

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Devi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Long time not met.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or

> > Pete's,

> > > or

> > > > > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are

> drunken

> > > or

> > > > > > hungry

> > > > > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in

> books.

> > > You

> > > > > > won't

> > > > > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from moment

to

> > > moment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner

> silence

> > IS

> > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I myself

> > would

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > shut

> > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted his

> not

> > > being

> > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all that

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > crap

> > > > > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words, words ...

> and

> > > you

> > > > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but

they

> > > don't.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit.

> There

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious.

Believing

> > and

> > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides

> uttering a

> > > > huge

> > > > > > > > amount

> > > > > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to

> attract

> > > a

> > > > > lot

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still sitting

> in

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > > > > playground...instead

> > > > > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting

around

> in

> > > > > diapers

> > > > > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer to

> the

> > > > truth..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu

> Janajagruti

> > > > > Samiti

> > > > > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking. This

> > means

> > > > > that

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence which

> is

> > > self-

> > > > > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such

> > baloney.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And that

> is

> > > > living

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of

> humanity.

> > > > > Silence

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow

> of " language. "

> > It

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute

language.

> > > > Silence

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By

> > > silence,

> > > > > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a

state

> > > when

> > > > > words

> > > > > > > > cease

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > **

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails,

> to

> > > > change

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to

> Edit

> > > My

> > > > > > > Groups:

> > > > > > > > > >

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> Email "

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes.

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November 20, 2005

" And then let us meet face to face, you will give me a blow on my

nose

> and I will on your's. "

c'mon man, why do you think to merit such a treatment? :-)

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> Devi,

>

> Talking about the non-describable, are you serious ? Throw the

Atman

> onto the garbage dump if you can't describe it, and do the same

with

> Brahman and the Self and God and the Divine and what ever nonsense

> your or any other person's childish dream worlds gives birth to.

>

> And then let us meet face to face, you will give me a blow on my

nose

> and I will on your's. So at least we will do something real.

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Maybe Devi wants too to be indescribable ? Kinda security

strategy.

> > Werner

> > devi: devi is very describable....we are talking about the

> > Atman...do you know it?

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear devi

> > > > is it indescribable because of your own inability to describe

> it

> > or

> > > > because it has no characteristic?

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > <polansky@m...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is indescribable

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > wow!

> > > > > > so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do

you

> > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > go,

> > > > > > > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > > > > > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the

> map,

> > is

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > here and now, where I am.

> > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi Devi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Long time not met.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's,

or

> > > > Pete's,

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are

> > > drunken

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > hungry

> > > > > > > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in

> > > books.

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > > won't

> > > > > > > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from

moment

> > to

> > > > > moment.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > > > > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner

Woehr "

> > > > > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner

> > silence

> > > > IS

> > > > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I

> myself

> > > > would

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > shut

> > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted

his

> > not

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all

> > that

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > crap

> > > > > > > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words,

> words ...

> > > and

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but

> > they

> > > > > don't.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit.

> > There

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious.

> > Believing

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides

> > uttering

> > > a

> > > > > > huge

> > > > > > > > > > amount

> > > > > > > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to

> > > attract

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still

> > sitting

> > > in

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > > > > > > playground...instead

> > > > > > > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting

> > around

> > > in

> > > > > > > diapers

> > > > > > > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer

to

> > the

> > > > > > truth..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu

> > > Janajagruti

> > > > > > > Samiti

> > > > > > > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking.

> This

> > > > means

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence

> > which

> > > is

> > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting

such

> > > > baloney.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And

> that

> > is

> > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of

> > > humanity.

> > > > > > > Silence

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow

> > of " language. "

> > > > It

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute

> > language.

> > > > > > Silence

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . .

By

> > > > > silence,

> > > > > > > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a

> > state

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > cease

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > **

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> emails,

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> > > > > > > > > Groups:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > Email "

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November 20, 2005

oh, no need of " if i said... " . Say it. if you don't, i cannot give

you a sincere answer.

love

devi: what's your point?

..>

> > Dear devi is it indescribable because of your own inability to

> > describe it or because it has no characteristic?

> >

> > devi: if i said the Atman that you are is an unmoving,

unchanging

> > immeasurable individualized energy would that be a

characterzation?

> >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

<polansky@m...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is indescribable

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > wow!

> > > > > so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do

you

> > want

> > > > to

> > > > > > go,

> > > > > > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > > > > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the

map,

> > is

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > here and now, where I am.

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi Devi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Long time not met.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's, or

> > > Pete's,

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are

> > drunken

> > > > or

> > > > > > > hungry

> > > > > > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in

> > books.

> > > > You

> > > > > > > won't

> > > > > > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from

moment

> to

> > > > moment.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > > > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner

Woehr "

> > > > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner

> > silence

> > > IS

> > > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I

myself

> > > would

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > shut

> > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted

his

> > not

> > > > being

> > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all

that

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > crap

> > > > > > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words,

words ...

> > and

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but

> they

> > > > don't.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit.

> > There

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious.

> Believing

> > > and

> > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides

> > uttering a

> > > > > huge

> > > > > > > > > amount

> > > > > > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to

> > attract

> > > > a

> > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still

sitting

> > in

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > > > > > playground...instead

> > > > > > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting

> around

> > in

> > > > > > diapers

> > > > > > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer

to

> > the

> > > > > truth..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu

> > Janajagruti

> > > > > > Samiti

> > > > > > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking.

This

> > > means

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence

which

> > is

> > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting such

> > > baloney.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And

that

> > is

> > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of

> > humanity.

> > > > > > Silence

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow

> > of " language. "

> > > It

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute

> language.

> > > > > Silence

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . . By

> > > > silence,

> > > > > > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a

> state

> > > > when

> > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > cease

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > **

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual

emails,

> > to

> > > > > change

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go

to

> > Edit

> > > > My

> > > > > > > > Groups:

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > Email "

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

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> > > > > > > > > > >

November 21, 2005

Atman is nothingness.

Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

wrote:

>

> oh, no need of " if i said... " . Say it. if you don't, i cannot

give

> you a sincere answer.

> love

>

> devi: what's your point?

>

> .>

> > > Dear devi is it indescribable because of your own inability to

> > > describe it or because it has no characteristic?

> > >

> > > devi: if i said the Atman that you are is an unmoving,

> unchanging

> > > immeasurable individualized energy would that be a

> characterzation?

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> <polansky@m...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > devi: i didn't say Atman is nothing.. Atman is indescribable

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > wow!

> > > > > > so Atman is nothing is the Truth!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are nothing, this is the truth!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > devi: You are Atman..this is the Truth...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How much time do you need to BE yourself? Where do

> you

> > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > go,

> > > > > > > > or what do you want to reach in order to be yourself?

> > > > > > > > the end of the Path, doesn't matter how long on the

> map,

> > > is

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > here and now, where I am.

> > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi Devi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Long time not met.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me ask, what truth to get closer to ? Your's,

or

> > > > Pete's,

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > MeherBaba's or Ramana's, or mine ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are truth. If you are happy or feel sick or are

> > > drunken

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > hungry

> > > > > > > > > or tired - that is all you as truth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Truth is a living thing and not dead ashes found in

> > > books.

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > > won't

> > > > > > > > > find yourself in a book but in daily life from

> moment

> > to

> > > > > moment.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi "

> > > > > > > <polansky@m...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner

> Woehr "

> > > > > > > <wwoehr@p...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sorry my friend,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > First read again what dannyc wrote: The inner

> > > silence

> > > > IS

> > > > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > > surrender.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If he wrote COULD BE self surrender, then I

> myself

> > > > would

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > shut

> > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > and not replied because I would have accepted

> his

> > > not

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > > sure.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You Dhaiwat are also full to the brim with all

> that

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > crap

> > > > > > > > > > > which others wrote before. Words, words,

> words ...

> > > and

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > > > > are so sure that this words represent truth but

> > they

> > > > > don't.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And the worst of all, you believe in that shit.

> > > There

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > least attempt to be honest, to be serious.

> > Believing

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > and day-dreaming that is all you do, besides

> > > uttering a

> > > > > > huge

> > > > > > > > > > amount

> > > > > > > > > > > of perfumed words.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Strangely enough this Nisargdatta list seems to

> > > attract

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > those dreamers and spiritual babblers still

> sitting

> > > in

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > pampers.

> > > > > > > > > > > And spirituality is one of their favorite toys.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are one of them, Dhaiwat.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > devi: and what are you werner, the bully in the

> > > > > > > > > playground...instead

> > > > > > > > > > of visualizing hundreds of niz devotees sitting

> > around

> > > in

> > > > > > > diapers

> > > > > > > > > > why not visualize something that would be closer

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > truth..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Hindu

> > > Janajagruti

> > > > > > > Samiti

> > > > > > > > > > > <hindu_janjagruti> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Werner,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Don't try to evaluate anybody's thinking.

> This

> > > > means

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > forgot the teachings from your holybooks.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhaiwat

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you are in that state of inner silence

> which

> > > is

> > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > > surrender,

> > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful - else shut up and stop posting

such

> > > > baloney.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " The inner silence is self-surrender. And

> that

> > > is

> > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sense of ego. Solitude is in the mind of

> > > humanity.

> > > > > > > Silence

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking; it is the perennial flow

> > > of " language. "

> > > > It

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > interrupted by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking; for words obstruct this mute

> > language.

> > > > > > Silence

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > permanent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and benefits the whole of humanity. . . .

By

> > > > > silence,

> > > > > > > > > > eloquence is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > meant. It is the best language. There is a

> > state

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > cease

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > silence prevails. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/8dqwa

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > **

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual

> emails,

> > > to

> > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go

> to

> > > Edit

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> > > > > > > > > Groups:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > /mygroups?edit=1

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No

> > > Email "

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > the

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> > > > > > > > > > > >

November 21, 2005

There is nothing else. Therefore, all is contained within the nothingness.

The nothingness is also, then, everything. Nothing is excluded from the

totality of All That Is.

Phil

In a message dated 11/21/2005 11:47:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

Atman is nothingness.

Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...>

wrote:

>

> oh, no need of " if i said... " . Say it. if you don't, i cannot

give

> you a sincere answer.

> love

>

> devi: what's your point?

>

> .>

> > > Dear devi is it indescribable because of your own inability to

> > > describe it or because it has no characteristic?

> > >

> > > devi: if i said the Atman that you are is an unmoving,

> unchanging

> > > immeasurable individualized energy would that be a

> characterzation?

> > >

There is a state when words cease and silence prevails

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