Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 All there is is this...and that... being the one appearing as two nothing appearing as everything the absolute appearing as the particular emptiness appearing as fullness the uncaused appearing as the caused unicity appearing as separation subject appearing as object the singular appearing as plurality the impersonal appearing as the personal the unknown appearing as the know. It is silence sounding and stillness moving and these words apearing as pointers to the wordless ...and yet nothing is happening. (Tony Parsons, " Invitation to Awaken " , Inner Directions Publishing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 devi: yes, but does he know the Self > All there is is this...and that... > being > the one appearing as two > nothing appearing as everything > the absolute appearing as the particular > emptiness appearing as fullness > the uncaused appearing as the caused > unicity appearing as separation > subject appearing as object > the singular appearing as plurality > the impersonal appearing as the personal > the unknown appearing as the know. > > It is silence sounding and stillness moving > and these words apearing as pointers > to the wordless > ...and yet nothing is happening. > > (Tony Parsons, " Invitation to Awaken " , Inner Directions Publishing) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > devi: yes, but does he know the Self Parsons says there is no one to know a thing. He would ask " Who is there to know the Self? " dannyc > > All there is is this...and that... > > being > > the one appearing as two > > nothing appearing as everything > > the absolute appearing as the particular > > emptiness appearing as fullness > > the uncaused appearing as the caused > > unicity appearing as separation > > subject appearing as object > > the singular appearing as plurality > > the impersonal appearing as the personal > > the unknown appearing as the know. > > > > It is silence sounding and stillness moving > > and these words apearing as pointers > > to the wordless > > ...and yet nothing is happening. > > > > (Tony Parsons, " Invitation to Awaken " , Inner Directions Publishing) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami Q) Sankara says that this world is not true which is like a dream. But Ramanuja says that even the dream is true. How do you correlate these two? A) Sankara never told that this world is not a truth. He told that this world is Mithya. Mithya means very little truth, which can be almost considered as untrue. The dream is Mithya. Anybody in the dream cannot call it as a dream because he becomes the part and parcel of the dream. The ant cannot be Mithya for another ant. The ant is Mithya only for an elephant. Therefore this world is Mithya for the Lord. This is a daydream of the Lord. There is not ignorance in the daydream and therefore the Lord did not become ignorant. Sankara entered the house of Mandana Misra even though the doors were locked. Therefore the world is Mithya for Him. Mithya is not untrue. Ramanuja said that this world is not a dream for a soul. The soul is a part and parcel of the world. Mithya is not Mithya for a Mithya. This is the interpretation of Ramanuja. In fact Sankara came as Ramanuja and clarified misunderstanding. posted by: surya at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org devianandi <polansky wrote: devi: yes, but does he know the Self > All there is is this...and that... > being > the one appearing as two > nothing appearing as everything > the absolute appearing as the particular > emptiness appearing as fullness > the uncaused appearing as the caused > unicity appearing as separation > subject appearing as object > the singular appearing as plurality > the impersonal appearing as the personal > the unknown appearing as the know. > > It is silence sounding and stillness moving > and these words apearing as pointers > to the wordless > ...and yet nothing is happening. > > (Tony Parsons, " Invitation to Awaken " , Inner Directions Publishing) FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 devi: yes, but does he know the Self Parsons says there is no one to know a thing. He would ask " Who is there to know the Self? " dannyc devi: well, maybe parsons isn't self-realized! > > > > > > All there is is this...and that... > > > being > > > the one appearing as two > > > nothing appearing as everything > > > the absolute appearing as the particular > > > emptiness appearing as fullness > > > the uncaused appearing as the caused > > > unicity appearing as separation > > > subject appearing as object > > > the singular appearing as plurality > > > the impersonal appearing as the personal > > > the unknown appearing as the know. > > > > > > It is silence sounding and stillness moving > > > and these words apearing as pointers > > > to the wordless > > > ...and yet nothing is happening. > > > > > > (Tony Parsons, " Invitation to Awaken " , Inner Directions Publishing) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > devi: yes, but does he know the Self > > Parsons says there is no one to know a thing. He would ask " Who is > there to know the Self? " > > dannyc > > devi: well, maybe parsons isn't self-realized! Parsons says up front that he is not enlightened nor will any individual ever be enlightened. The idea of individual enlightenment is an oxymoron, as there is no separate egoic identity in the first place. dannyc > > > > > > > > > > All there is is this...and that... > > > > being > > > > the one appearing as two > > > > nothing appearing as everything > > > > the absolute appearing as the particular > > > > emptiness appearing as fullness > > > > the uncaused appearing as the caused > > > > unicity appearing as separation > > > > subject appearing as object > > > > the singular appearing as plurality > > > > the impersonal appearing as the personal > > > > the unknown appearing as the know. > > > > > > > > It is silence sounding and stillness moving > > > > and these words apearing as pointers > > > > to the wordless > > > > ...and yet nothing is happening. > > > > > > > > (Tony Parsons, " Invitation to Awaken " , Inner Directions > Publishing) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv " <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > devi: yes, but does he know the Self > > > > Parsons says there is no one to know a thing. He would ask " Who is > > there to know the Self? " > > > > dannyc > > > > devi: well, maybe parsons isn't self-realized! > > Parsons says up front that he is not enlightened nor will any > individual ever be enlightened. The idea of individual enlightenment > is an oxymoron, as there is no separate egoic identity in the first > place. > > dannyc > devi: hi danny, you seem to be attracted to these new age gurus... i suggest that you compare parsons teachings with some of the older more respectable gurus on the planet.. parsons says upfront that he is not enlightened..yet nizargadatta was up front about saying *he realized when he was 38* and praises his guru for telling him the truth about self-realization.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 meher baba: God-realization is a personal state of consciousness belonging to the one who has transcended the domain of the mind. you can read the full article or not...:-) The manifestation of infinite knowledge and unlimited bliss in consciousness is, however, confined to the soul that has attained God-realization. The Infinite Reality in the God-realized soul has the knowledge of its own Infinity; but such knowledge does not belong to the unrealized soul, still subject to the illusion of the universe. If God-realization were not a personal attainment, the entire universe would come to an end as soon as one man attained God- realization. This does not happen, because God-realization is a personal state of consciousness belonging to the one who has transcended the domain of the mind. Others continue to remain in bondage, and can attain it only by freeing their consciousness from the burden of the ego and the limitations of the individual mind. Thus God-realization has a direct significance only for the one who has emerged from the time-process. What was latent in the infinite becomes manifest After the attainment of God-realization, the soul discovers that it has always been the Infinite Reality, and that its looking upon itself as finite during the period of evolution and spiritual advancement was an illusion. The soul also finds that the infinite knowledge and bliss that it enjoys have been latent in the Infinite Reality from the beginning of time and that it became manifest at the moment of realization. Thus the God-realized person does not become different from what he was before realization. He remains what he was: the difference that realization makes in him is that while previously he did not consciously know his true nature, he now knows it. He knows that he has never been anything other than what he now knows himself to be, and that he has been through a process of self-discovery. The process of attaining God-realization is a game in which the beginning and the end are one. The attainment of realization is nevertheless a distinct gain. There are two kinds of advantages. One consists in getting what we did not previously possess; the other consists in realizing what we really are. God-realization is of the second kind. However, there is an infinite difference in the soul that has God-realization and one that has not. Though the soul that has God-realization has nothing it did not already possess, its explicit knowledge makes God-realization of the highest significance. The soul that is not God-realized experiences itself as finite, and is constantly troubled by the opposites of joy and sorrow. But the soul that has realization is lifted out of them and experiences the Infinite. In God-realization, separate consciousness is discarded and duality is transcended in the abiding knowledge of identity with the Infinite Reality. The world of shadows is at an end and the curtain of illusion is for ever drawn. The distress of the pursuits of limited consciousness is replaced by the tranquillity and bliss of truth-consciousness and the restlessness of temporal existence is swallowed up in the peace of eternity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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