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We often question why someone says,

'I'm realized', but seldom question why

anyone says, 'I'm not realized'.

 

Well, maybe it could be useful if we

asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized?

 

Is it because:

 

1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling

of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction

which prompts you to act and to seek?

 

2) There is no peace as your basic feeling?

 

3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet

joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing

inside?

 

4) When looking at the world, you just see

a background, a stage where objects and

others move about. And there is a feeling

of separation between what is seen and a

seer?

 

5) When looking at the world there is no beauty,

no love coming from common objects. All is, well,

the same old stuff?

 

5) There has never been the feeling of being space,

void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how

the universe, the whole feels like?

 

6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you

still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture?

 

7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come

immediately and without a doubt?

 

8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept

when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel

vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked?

 

Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if

all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are

not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think

an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all,

what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or

a faulty synopsis of the past.

 

Pete

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asking why am i not realized is like asking why am i not what i am? it has no

meaning. it is

only cogitating and has nothing to do with being what we are. one might as well

seek out

the spiritual usefulness of a good polock joke.

 

 

Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

>

> We often question why someone says,

> 'I'm realized', but seldom question why

> anyone says, 'I'm not realized'.

>

> Well, maybe it could be useful if we

> asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized?

>

> Is it because:

>

> 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling

> of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction

> which prompts you to act and to seek?

>

> 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling?

>

> 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet

> joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing

> inside?

>

> 4) When looking at the world, you just see

> a background, a stage where objects and

> others move about. And there is a feeling

> of separation between what is seen and a

> seer?

>

> 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty,

> no love coming from common objects. All is, well,

> the same old stuff?

>

> 5) There has never been the feeling of being space,

> void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how

> the universe, the whole feels like?

>

> 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you

> still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture?

>

> 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come

> immediately and without a doubt?

>

> 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept

> when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel

> vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked?

>

> Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if

> all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are

> not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think

> an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all,

> what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or

> a faulty synopsis of the past.

>

> Pete

>

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

>

> We often question why someone says,

> 'I'm realized', but seldom question why

> anyone says, 'I'm not realized'.

>

> Well, maybe it could be useful if we

> asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized?

>

> Is it because:

>

> 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling

> of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction

> which prompts you to act and to seek?

>

> 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling?

>

> 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet

> joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing

> inside?

>

> 4) When looking at the world, you just see

> a background, a stage where objects and

> others move about. And there is a feeling

> of separation between what is seen and a

> seer?

>

> 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty,

> no love coming from common objects. All is, well,

> the same old stuff?

>

> 5) There has never been the feeling of being space,

> void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how

> the universe, the whole feels like?

>

> 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you

> still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture?

>

> 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come

> immediately and without a doubt?

>

> 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept

> when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel

> vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked?

>

> Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if

> all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are

> not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think

> an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all,

> what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or

> a faulty synopsis of the past.

>

> Pete

>

 

 

Hi Pete,

 

I think to be realized is the realization that there is no separate

controller operating on any level. The individual egoic mind and all

forms of collective egoic constructs such as nations, religions and

organizations are only illusions of separate control. When that

illusion dissolves, then there is realization.

 

J. Krisnamurti said something like: " The controller and the controlled

are both thought and therefore the controller IS the controlled "

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

> >

> > We often question why someone says,

> > 'I'm realized', but seldom question why

> > anyone says, 'I'm not realized'.

> >

> > Well, maybe it could be useful if we

> > asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized?

> >

> > Is it because:

> >

> > 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling

> > of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction

> > which prompts you to act and to seek?

> >

> > 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling?

> >

> > 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet

> > joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing

> > inside?

> >

> > 4) When looking at the world, you just see

> > a background, a stage where objects and

> > others move about. And there is a feeling

> > of separation between what is seen and a

> > seer?

> >

> > 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty,

> > no love coming from common objects. All is, well,

> > the same old stuff?

> >

> > 5) There has never been the feeling of being space,

> > void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how

> > the universe, the whole feels like?

> >

> > 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you

> > still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture?

> >

> > 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come

> > immediately and without a doubt?

> >

> > 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept

> > when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel

> > vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked?

> >

> > Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if

> > all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are

> > not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think

> > an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all,

> > what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or

> > a faulty synopsis of the past.

> >

> > Pete

> >

>

>

> Hi Pete,

>

> I think to be realized is the realization that there is no separate

> controller operating on any level. The individual egoic mind and all

> forms of collective egoic constructs such as nations, religions and

> organizations are only illusions of separate control. When that

> illusion dissolves, then there is realization.

>

> J. Krisnamurti said something like: " The controller and the

controlled

> are both thought and therefore the controller IS the controlled "

>

> al.

>

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After all,

> what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or

> a faulty synopsis of the past.

" I " is what in which body-mind happens. both the sentences " I'm

realized " and " I'm not realized " happens in what I am. What has to

be very clear is that realization is not a goal to gain,something to

reach, it is not another medal to show. it is simply this.

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

>

> We often question why someone says,

> 'I'm realized', but seldom question why

> anyone says, 'I'm not realized'.

>

> Well, maybe it could be useful if we

> asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized?

>

> Is it because:

>

> 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling

> of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction

> which prompts you to act and to seek?

>

> 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling?

>

> 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet

> joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing

> inside?

>

> 4) When looking at the world, you just see

> a background, a stage where objects and

> others move about. And there is a feeling

> of separation between what is seen and a

> seer?

>

> 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty,

> no love coming from common objects. All is, well,

> the same old stuff?

>

> 5) There has never been the feeling of being space,

> void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how

> the universe, the whole feels like?

>

> 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you

> still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture?

>

> 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come

> immediately and without a doubt?

>

> 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept

> when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel

> vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked?

>

> Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if

> all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are

> not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think

> an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all,

> what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or

> a faulty synopsis of the past.

>

> Pete

>

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