Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 We often question why someone says, 'I'm realized', but seldom question why anyone says, 'I'm not realized'. Well, maybe it could be useful if we asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized? Is it because: 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction which prompts you to act and to seek? 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling? 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing inside? 4) When looking at the world, you just see a background, a stage where objects and others move about. And there is a feeling of separation between what is seen and a seer? 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty, no love coming from common objects. All is, well, the same old stuff? 5) There has never been the feeling of being space, void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how the universe, the whole feels like? 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture? 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come immediately and without a doubt? 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked? Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all, what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or a faulty synopsis of the past. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 asking why am i not realized is like asking why am i not what i am? it has no meaning. it is only cogitating and has nothing to do with being what we are. one might as well seek out the spiritual usefulness of a good polock joke. Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > We often question why someone says, > 'I'm realized', but seldom question why > anyone says, 'I'm not realized'. > > Well, maybe it could be useful if we > asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized? > > Is it because: > > 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling > of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction > which prompts you to act and to seek? > > 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling? > > 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet > joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing > inside? > > 4) When looking at the world, you just see > a background, a stage where objects and > others move about. And there is a feeling > of separation between what is seen and a > seer? > > 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty, > no love coming from common objects. All is, well, > the same old stuff? > > 5) There has never been the feeling of being space, > void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how > the universe, the whole feels like? > > 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you > still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture? > > 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come > immediately and without a doubt? > > 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept > when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel > vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked? > > Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if > all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are > not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think > an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all, > what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or > a faulty synopsis of the past. > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > We often question why someone says, > 'I'm realized', but seldom question why > anyone says, 'I'm not realized'. > > Well, maybe it could be useful if we > asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized? > > Is it because: > > 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling > of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction > which prompts you to act and to seek? > > 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling? > > 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet > joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing > inside? > > 4) When looking at the world, you just see > a background, a stage where objects and > others move about. And there is a feeling > of separation between what is seen and a > seer? > > 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty, > no love coming from common objects. All is, well, > the same old stuff? > > 5) There has never been the feeling of being space, > void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how > the universe, the whole feels like? > > 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you > still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture? > > 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come > immediately and without a doubt? > > 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept > when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel > vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked? > > Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if > all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are > not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think > an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all, > what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or > a faulty synopsis of the past. > > Pete > Hi Pete, I think to be realized is the realization that there is no separate controller operating on any level. The individual egoic mind and all forms of collective egoic constructs such as nations, religions and organizations are only illusions of separate control. When that illusion dissolves, then there is realization. J. Krisnamurti said something like: " The controller and the controlled are both thought and therefore the controller IS the controlled " al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > We often question why someone says, > > 'I'm realized', but seldom question why > > anyone says, 'I'm not realized'. > > > > Well, maybe it could be useful if we > > asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized? > > > > Is it because: > > > > 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling > > of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction > > which prompts you to act and to seek? > > > > 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling? > > > > 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet > > joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing > > inside? > > > > 4) When looking at the world, you just see > > a background, a stage where objects and > > others move about. And there is a feeling > > of separation between what is seen and a > > seer? > > > > 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty, > > no love coming from common objects. All is, well, > > the same old stuff? > > > > 5) There has never been the feeling of being space, > > void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how > > the universe, the whole feels like? > > > > 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you > > still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture? > > > > 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come > > immediately and without a doubt? > > > > 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept > > when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel > > vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked? > > > > Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if > > all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are > > not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think > > an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all, > > what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or > > a faulty synopsis of the past. > > > > Pete > > > > > Hi Pete, > > I think to be realized is the realization that there is no separate > controller operating on any level. The individual egoic mind and all > forms of collective egoic constructs such as nations, religions and > organizations are only illusions of separate control. When that > illusion dissolves, then there is realization. > > J. Krisnamurti said something like: " The controller and the controlled > are both thought and therefore the controller IS the controlled " > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 After all, > what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or > a faulty synopsis of the past. " I " is what in which body-mind happens. both the sentences " I'm realized " and " I'm not realized " happens in what I am. What has to be very clear is that realization is not a goal to gain,something to reach, it is not another medal to show. it is simply this. Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > We often question why someone says, > 'I'm realized', but seldom question why > anyone says, 'I'm not realized'. > > Well, maybe it could be useful if we > asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized? > > Is it because: > > 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling > of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction > which prompts you to act and to seek? > > 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling? > > 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet > joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing > inside? > > 4) When looking at the world, you just see > a background, a stage where objects and > others move about. And there is a feeling > of separation between what is seen and a > seer? > > 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty, > no love coming from common objects. All is, well, > the same old stuff? > > 5) There has never been the feeling of being space, > void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how > the universe, the whole feels like? > > 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you > still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture? > > 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come > immediately and without a doubt? > > 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept > when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel > vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked? > > Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if > all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are > not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think > an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all, > what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or > a faulty synopsis of the past. > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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