Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Think of any object... water for example! Give it heat... it will boil... Cool it down it will freeze... Put colors in it... it will become 'colorful'! Water has its nature... that it follows and observes! So does the body and brain called... 'human'! They are only more complex 'natural' object not really an 'independent', 'free willing' or...'conscious' by themselves! They too are 'controlled' by laws and inputs. ... Seeing this way... can give some space and distance... It can also give a way to understand... what a 'mind' called 'you' really is... and, what the 'mind' called others really are! Knowing that might even make you 'forgive' those so called... 'others'... because, they truly can't know... what they are doing! In most cases, it is not really " them " who is really doing it! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 In a message dated 11/24/2005 4:04:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: They too are 'controlled' by laws and inputs. .... Seeing this way... can give some space and distance... It can also give a way to understand... what a 'mind' called 'you' really is... and, what the 'mind' called others really are! Knowing that might even make you 'forgive' those so called... 'others'... because, they truly can't know... what they are doing! In most cases, it is not really " them " who is really doing it! Do you mean to say, then , that there are other cases where the human really is doing it? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/24/2005 4:04:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > They too are 'controlled' by laws and > inputs. > > > ... > > Seeing this way... can give some space > and distance... > > It can also give a way to > understand... what a 'mind' called > 'you' really is... > > > and, what the 'mind' called others > really are! > > Knowing that might even make you > 'forgive' those so called... 'others'... > > because, they truly can't know... what > they are doing! > > In most cases, it is not really " them " who is > really doing it! > > > > > Do you mean to say, then , that there are other cases where the human really > is doing it? Yes. I call them Conscious Human! Awake Human! They are not not just on 'auto pilot' anymore. They bring Present Moment Awareness into everything they do! ....and, that transforms everything they do... [or, do not]! > > Phil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 11/24/2005 4:04:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > They too are 'controlled' by laws and > > inputs. > > > > > > ... > > > > Seeing this way... can give some space > > and distance... > > > > It can also give a way to > > understand... what a 'mind' called > > 'you' really is... good am all or one, lol ____________Calling the mind 'you', can lead one astray. Just like the mind can be your best friend or worst enemy. It's your friend when the information in, is well organized, like any good filing system. However, if it has too much junk or papers misfiled or even too much certain categories, then it takes the intellignece to organize. Mind, sits as reservoir of stored info, it takes the active principal of intelligence to sort out the info. Like when you go to sleep, it's the intelligence that needs rest, being busy sorting, sifting through files all day and putting into action the body. That funtion of the spirit needs rest. The mind does not need rest, it's always in a receiving mode, just like computor. It receives info, and does not reject. Info in or garbage in, garbage out. This is the essential problem with all of mankind. The premise is bodily consciousness from birth and the files in the mind are sorted that way, and filled up with info. Like computor lots of megabites lot's of storage space. Problem is, what files are being filled with, and which ones the intelligence are paying attention to. Are you all with me ? > > > > > > and, what the 'mind' called others > > really are! > > > > Knowing that might even make you > > 'forgive' those so called... 'others'... _______yes forgiveness is there, for the self realized soul, he is one with God who is the perfect lover, and always will forgive. > > > > because, they truly can't know... what > > they are doing! _______yes, if your understanding is correct, b/c your words are quite right, then you, whoever you are, have good reasoning. There is a natural process, ie relationship between mind and intelligence, together they function as one. Eg if the mind, spirit is intoxicated, then the intelligence functioning is also toxic. They operate as a team. hence knowing or not knowing is a matter of individuality. in divide duality. in division a duality or two as one in the embodiement of the spirit, as function. ___look up the words individual (good websters, preferred) and dual and you do the math. lol > > > > In most cases, it is not really " them " who is > > really doing it! > > __________when one identifies with the false I, then in principal this is correct. > > Do you mean to say, then , that there are other cases where the > human really > > is doing it? > > Yes. > > I call them Conscious Human! > > Awake Human! > > They are not not just on 'auto pilot' anymore. ______auto pilot, referring to the false I, __ok__agree > > They bring Present Moment Awareness into everything they do! > > ...and, that transforms everything they do... [or, do not]! > ________Again correct , should the premise for 'awarness' be cleary understood or " realized " in the 'pure self' and not the 'false self'. This is discernment and is what's realized by Holy sons. >Phil > this is not ac or is phil,? i have just jumped in here, now i'll go back and do some sorting, sifting and filing , lol. God willing. in Him, in Her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 In a message dated 11/25/2005 8:56:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: > Do you mean to say, then , that there are other cases where the human really > is doing it? Yes. I call them Conscious Human! Awake Human! They are not not just on 'auto pilot' anymore. They bring Present Moment Awareness into everything they do! ....and, that transforms everything they do... [or, do not]! It's actually a bit odd. What I see is that the 'awakened being' actually seems to step out of the illusion and leave the human to continue it's functioning as a part of the totality of consciousness, which may be less predictable than imagined. The difference is that there is no longer the dillusionary 'filter' of mentation and struggle that was once a part of the functioning of that human. So, while I agree that the human can become a powerful contributor to the evolution of mankind, there are no enlightened humans and there are no humans with their own volition that can 'do' anything by themselves. We are all on " auto pilot " , and God is that pilot. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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