Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 In any situation, it is only the 'seer' the looker... the 'thinker' that is... Sentient! What is being looked at is just an 'object'! ... You might think that when you look at me [or someone else] ... you see a sentient object! But, truth is that... you can NEVER see Me [or... the reality behind any other 'person'!] All you ever see... is body. All you will ever perceive is a... mind. ... You might think that you will never see a person... after they die! Truth is that you can not really see them... even when, the body is Alive! ... Same applies to whatever you see as 'yourself'... the body, the mind. You are looking at... insentient object! Object that like any other physical object is bound by its nature, by its laws... by its input and conditions! You are the sentience but what you are looking at is... just an object! ... Mistaking the body and mind as having its own consciousness, sentience or free will is imagining wrong attributes in them and... creating the confusion and problems that otherwise doesn't exist. In reality, these are physical objects just bound by their nature... ... Whenever you think you or someone did something, it might be more accurate and helpful to look at all the 'inputs' in place of imagining a 'free willing' 'person' that... can independently decide to do something! Change the 'inputs' and what that assumed 'person' does... too will change! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 In a message dated 11/24/2005 4:04:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: In any situation, it is only the 'seer' the looker... the 'thinker' that is... Sentient! I see thinking as a 'mechanical' process of human mind. It could be said that the thoughts, themselves, arise from consciousness, since the human does not initiate them, but there is no actual thinking process in consciousness. The whole process involves egoic identity and memory, and so isn't actually a " sentient " process, but an illusory one. The seer, then, is simply a witness of it's internal, infernal creation. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/24/2005 4:04:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > In any situation, it is only the > 'seer' the looker... the 'thinker' that > is... Sentient! > > > > I see thinking as a 'mechanical' process of human mind. It is a mechanical process only until you are not Fully Conscious of it! > It could be said > that the thoughts, themselves, arise from consciousness, since the human does > not initiate them, It might be more accurate to say that... A 'sleeping' [dreaming] human doesn't initiate them! > but there is no actual thinking process in consciousness. Everything has its root in 'Consciouness'! Yet, Consciouness itself is not changed! > > The whole process involves egoic identity and memory, That is true only for a part of thinking. > and so isn't actually > a " sentient " process, Thinking may or mayn't be be a sentient process... depending on the 'state' and 'awareness' of the thinker! >but an illusory one. Only for the one lost is sleep [....or dream]. > The seer, then, is simply a witness > of it's internal, infernal creation. > > Phil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 In a message dated 11/25/2005 8:56:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Phil:> but there is no actual thinking process in consciousness. Everything has its root in 'Consciouness'! Yet, Consciouness itself is not changed! Phil:True, but thinking is a human illusion only. It's occurring within consciousness as an illusory experience as part of the functioning of human mechanisms, but there is no volitional thinking going on in the human, and consciousness itself resides outside of time/space and has no memory, and therefore does not think. > and so isn't actually > a " sentient " process, Thinking may or mayn't be be a sentient process... depending on the 'state' and 'awareness' of the thinker! Phil:There is no such thing as a thinker. There is only thought 'occurring.' Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > In a message dated 11/25/2005 8:56:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Phil:> but there is no actual thinking process in consciousness. > > > > Everything has its root in 'Consciouness'! > > Yet, Consciouness itself is not changed! > > > > > Phil:True, but thinking is a human illusion only. It's occurring within > consciousness as an illusory experience as part of the functioning of human > mechanisms, but there is no volitional thinking going on in the human, and > consciousness itself resides outside of time/space and has no memory, and therefore > does not think. > > > > > > > and so isn't actually > > a " sentient " process, > > Thinking may or mayn't be be a sentient process... > > depending on the 'state' and 'awareness' > of the thinker! > > > > Phil:There is no such thing as a thinker. There is only thought 'occurring.' > > > Phil > > good am phil, Are you certain? Are you a nihilist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 In a message dated 11/26/2005 10:46:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: > > Phil:There is no such thing as a thinker. There is only thought 'occurring.' > > > Phil > > good am phil, Are you certain? Are you a nihilist? No. Nihilism is a secular philosophy that notices the impotence of the human in it's experience but fails to notice the silent witness of that experience. How could anything that is not God exist? You are That. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 In a message dated 11/27/2005 10:47:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Are you a nihilist? > > > > No. Nihilism is a secular philosophy that notices the impotence of the human > in it's experience but fails to notice the silent witness of that > experience. > > How could anything that is not God exist? You are That. > > Phil > ___________I HEAR you Phil but are you 'That' as in " " " God " " " , and if so you may also simpply be attemptemping to annihilate all else to become somnethig which you nothing about, as in the whole. As a drop of water put into the ocean, now the ocean. Is, that the 'That' or is that the Is? Subsequently becoming It. There is expresion within nihilism to render this concept as well, since it denies all seperate and unique forms as 'one'. This is what the dangers of nilihism cause. when you listen closely enough to the differences, they lead one to justification of ones own independent actions, aa seen below, under " antifoundationalism. " Well....I have no interest in Nihilism, so there's really no need for you to talk me out of the belief system. Hehe. The truth is oneness. It's not exclusive but all inclusive. I have no desire to annihilate anything or anyone. Rather, the focus in on acceptance of all that is. This requires the understanding that ego is a concept only. This is the opposite of " justification of one's own independent actions " . There are no independent actions. " I " , therefore, am as responsible for your actions as I am for mine. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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