Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > After all, > > what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or > > a faulty synopsis of the past. > " I " is what in which body-mind happens. both the sentences " I'm > realized " and " I'm not realized " happens in what I am. What has to > be very clear is that realization is not a goal to gain,something to > reach, it is not another medal to show. it is simply this. > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > We often question why someone says, > > 'I'm realized', but seldom question why > > anyone says, 'I'm not realized'. > > > > Well, maybe it could be useful if we > > asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized? > > > > Is it because: > > > > 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling > > of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction > > which prompts you to act and to seek? Not entirely true, here pete, For the living there is no such thing as stopping, for every moment is awakened, or in a concious state, therefore acting. Even stillness has thoughts which is action. > > > > 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling? For a self realized soul there is nothing but peace, he need not do much, a recluse or a babaji, may no he's one with God but that practice is not God's wishes for this age. > > > > 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet > > joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing > > inside? there is no such thing until you sleep. When you sleep the though function oart of the spirit rests and is still there but is quiet, howver the mind is still actively capable of receiving info through sense receptors. > > > > 4) When looking at the world, you just see > > a background, a stage where objects and > > others move about. And there is a feeling > > of separation between what is seen and a > > seer? In the conditional state you see like this. In the realized state you are seeing with the eyesalve of love , ie according to God's eyes or are in spiritual vision. In that state there is no seperation but onesness and pure love. Hence feeling are purified. > > > > 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty, > > no love coming from common objects. All is, well, > > the same old stuff? Again, age old saying, purge the heart from carnal vision seeing things as relative,ie personal subjectivity, _____and see them as Absolute, or in relaton to God. > > > > 5) There has never been the feeling of being space, > > void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how > > the universe, the whole feels like? Correct , b/c you are not the whole, ie Infite, but infitessimal , co equal and part of. True you cannot feel void, nor space, b/c you allready are Spirit, therefore something. something is, and never becomes nothing. > > > > 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you > > still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture? Doubts arise from lack of knowing what and who you are. You don't need ideas, you need to accept the source of thought. Hence, since the source is Pure Thought, then you must become one with pure thought, but discarding all impure thoughts. like cleaning house, kind of. > > > > 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come > > immediately and without a doubt? Yes true for one who is conditioned, but not true for one who is without a second that is liberated or attained to moksa or is as one with God. God knows all. The Holy Spirit, within knows all, but your abslolute 100% faith in the Holy Spirit, and It will speak through you. Jesus said " take nothing with you, no food, water or script, for by perfect faith (no doubts) the Holy Spirit will take care of you. > > > > 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept > > when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel > > vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked? only because you identify with the self as an individual and not as eternal, full of bliss and knowledge. Even guru or one who is in perfect thought may defend himself. However, the difference is, he does not have any personal motive. The heart is pure and perfectly severed from all attachements to this world. As the holy sons, or enlightened ones say you can tear apart my body , cuss and throw stones, but my love (((GOD))) you cannot take from me, therfore he is dhira, fixed in samadhi. > > > > Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if > > all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are > > not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think > > an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all, > > what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or > > a faulty synopsis of the past. therefore become like i, subordinate to BiG I, like HIm but not Him. > > > > Pete your friend in HIM, not Him, just his. What i say at the endings of my posts is to remind you, that i remain in relationship. that there is two a shared love. not an Ilove. and if it bothers people, good, b/c it's supposed too, LOLOLOLOL .. _________<>________<>||||\\\\\ & /////||||<>________<>_________ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 mmm..relationships bother people, until relationship itself is recognized for what it is, and doesn't matter with whom, or WHOM, you are supposed to be in relation with. yes...sometimes i like to run like a horse in my house! HIIIIIIIII HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM .... ....... ......... Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > After all, > > > what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or > > > a faulty synopsis of the past. > > " I " is what in which body-mind happens. both the sentences " I'm > > realized " and " I'm not realized " happens in what I am. What has to > > be very clear is that realization is not a goal to gain,something > to > > reach, it is not another medal to show. it is simply this. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > > > We often question why someone says, > > > 'I'm realized', but seldom question why > > > anyone says, 'I'm not realized'. > > > > > > Well, maybe it could be useful if we > > > asked ourselves: why do I think, I'm not realized? > > > > > > Is it because: > > > > > > 1) When activity stops, you don't find a feeling > > > of contentment inside, but a dissatisfaction > > > which prompts you to act and to seek? > > Not entirely true, here pete, For the living there is no such thing > as stopping, for every moment is awakened, or in a concious state, > therefore acting. Even stillness has thoughts which is action. > > > > > > > 2) There is no peace as your basic feeling? > > For a self realized soul there is nothing but peace, he need not do > much, a recluse or a babaji, may no he's one with God but that > practice is not God's wishes for this age. > > > > > > > 3) When thought stops you don't find a quiet > > > joy, a feeling of energetic aliveness flowing > > > inside? > > there is no such thing until you sleep. When you sleep the though > function oart of the spirit rests and is still there but is quiet, > howver the mind is still actively capable of receiving info through > sense receptors. > > > > > > 4) When looking at the world, you just see > > > a background, a stage where objects and > > > others move about. And there is a feeling > > > of separation between what is seen and a > > > seer? > > In the conditional state you see like this. In the realized state you > are seeing with the eyesalve of love , ie according to God's eyes or > are in spiritual vision. In that state there is no seperation but > onesness and pure love. Hence feeling are purified. > > > > > > > 5) When looking at the world there is no beauty, > > > no love coming from common objects. All is, well, > > > the same old stuff? > > Again, age old saying, purge the heart from carnal vision seeing > things as relative,ie personal subjectivity, _____and see them as > Absolute, or in relaton to God. > > > > > > 5) There has never been the feeling of being space, > > > void, infinite, eternal, the feeling of knowing how > > > the universe, the whole feels like? > > Correct , b/c you are not the whole, ie Infite, but infitessimal , co > equal and part of. True you cannot feel void, nor space, b/c you > allready are Spirit, therefore something. something is, and never > becomes nothing. > > > > > > 6) Still, there are some doubts, questions to answer, you > > > still think you need more ideas to get the whole picture? > > Doubts arise from lack of knowing what and who you are. You don't > need ideas, you need to accept the source of thought. Hence, since > the source is Pure Thought, then you must become one with pure > thought, but discarding all impure thoughts. like cleaning house, > kind of. > > > > > > 7) When a question occurs, the answer doesn't come > > > immediately and without a doubt? > > Yes true for one who is conditioned, but not true for one who is > without a second that is liberated or attained to moksa or is as > one with God. God knows all. The Holy Spirit, within knows all, but > your abslolute 100% faith in the Holy Spirit, and It will speak > through you. Jesus said " take nothing with you, no food, water or > script, for by perfect faith (no doubts) the Holy Spirit will take > care of you. > > > > > > 8) There is still fear, mental suffering, a difficulty to accept > > > when things go wrong. You still get offended, feel > > > vulnerable, defensive if verbally attacked? > > only because you identify with the self as an individual and not as > eternal, full of bliss and knowledge. Even guru or one who is in > perfect thought may defend himself. However, the difference is, he > does not have any personal motive. The heart is pure and perfectly > severed from all attachements to this world. As the holy sons, or > enlightened ones say you can tear apart my body , cuss and throw > stones, but my love (((GOD))) you cannot take from me, therfore he is > dhira, fixed in samadhi. > > > > > > Well, if those eight questions do not apply to you, if > > > all that good stuff is there, but you still think you are > > > not realized, then you are just like me. I don't think > > > an 'I' has any call to call itself realized. After all, > > > what can an 'I' be, but a mind/body organism, or > > > a faulty synopsis of the past. > > therefore become like i, subordinate to BiG I, like HIm but not Him. > > > > > > Pete > > > your friend in HIM, > > not Him, just his. > > What i say at the endings of my posts is to remind you, that i > remain in relationship. that there is two a shared love. not an Ilove. > > and if it bothers people, good, b/c it's supposed too, LOLOLOLOL > > . _________<>________<>||||\\\\\ & /////||||<>________<>_________ . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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