Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 On Nov 24, 2005, at 4:03 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > Hi Pete, > > I think to be realized is the realization that there is no separate > controller operating on any level. P: Let's suppose the above is true, how is that notion useful to you? What can you do, that is not an effort to control, and therefore, reinforces that very problem? > The individual egoic mind and all > forms of collective egoic constructs such as nations, religions and > organizations are only illusions of separate control. When that > illusion dissolves, then there is realization. P: Pure BS, Anders, whenever you realize Sweden will survive your realization, and you better obey its laws or your ass will land in jail. And dealing with other inmates will make you realize you were not that realized, after all. LOL > > J. Krisnamurti said something like: " The controller and the controlled > are both thought and therefore the controller IS the controlled " > > al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 In a message dated 11/24/2005 12:32:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: > I think to be realized is the realization that there is no separate > controller operating on any level. P: Let's suppose the above is true, how is that notion useful to you? What can you do, that is not an effort to control, and therefore, reinforces that very problem? The really, really cool thing about realizations is that you never hafta do anything with em for them to be fully functional. You can't use peace to drive a nail or joy to wash your dishes. (Okay, bad example The delicious irony of the function of the entire spiritual path where one goes nowhere, learns nothing and does nothing, is to go wherever you need to go to learn to do precisely that. Nothing! The whole game was never about finding Truth, since there is no Truth here and never will be, it was always about dissolving the illusion; the mask that hides what was always present but cannot be perceived. How does one find heaven on Earth? By getting the 'hell' out of the way. That's all that ever 'occurs' and it doesn't occur at all because it's not an occurrence........it's a realization, and not even a human one. Surrender/acceptance of all that is, is the doing that cannot be 'done': The 'Whirrrr' which ends the tension and unravels the doer like a broken clock spring and marks the end of time. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/24/2005 12:32:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > > I think to be realized is the realization that there is no separate > > controller operating on any level. > > P: Let's suppose the above is true, how is that notion useful to you? > What can you do, that is not an effort to control, and therefore, > reinforces that very problem? _________ok let's suppose_______ ok let's____herein i say let's suppose that God does not want to control, but God wants to share___________________________. Why would an equal loving father want to control his children? Because he wants or expects for himself, he 's looking to get from as opposed to freely give. Now do you see what that ever loving Father of all wants? You cannot give him anything b/c He owns and is everything,_______but since He is the owner of your soul. He is the source of Soul and is the Soul. If soul, there must a manner of cooperation that makes for efficiency. I, manufacturer, send you bicyle in parts. You have an instruction manuel that tells you about how the parts fit and then your bicyle will run ___smoothly___. Let's immediately go to the source now and say here's Creation, therefore created. To negate created would be absurd, since were are seeing things made every day. Ok, but here is Creation, She is called Wisdom, ______aaaaaaahhhhhhh Does She have a manuel? Of course what manufacturer would not? The manuel on how it all works in harmony. __ " Find me and you find eternal life and shall obtain favour in Him, " b/c with the creation comes the created, " all souls are born of me there are in Me there are mine, " so says the source. Would you be so kind to read from my manuel? she asks. > The really, really cool thing about realizations is that you never hafta do > anything with em for them to be fully functional. You can't use peace to drive > a nail or joy to wash your dishes. (Okay, bad example > > The delicious irony of the function of the entire spiritual path where one > goes nowhere, learns nothing and does nothing, is to go wherever you need to > go to learn to do precisely that. Nothing! Using words to disregard common sense, suggests no sense, and no sense is __________nonsense._____you like that one? lol >The whole game was never about > finding Truth, since there is no Truth here and never will be, it was always ________Here's an interesting trip up with words. look closely. You use the word Truth capitolized as to imply a " " greater one " " now look at your subject ___-illusion___ not capitolizedd ????????? > about dissolving the illusion; the mask that hides what was always present but > cannot be perceived. so to to disslove the Truth is what you are implying. or the GOD factor implied in Truth but now to support yor theory has become some 'illusion' like as if a lessor unknown. are you having fun? How does one find heaven on Earth? By getting the 'hell' > out of the way. That's all that ever 'occurs' and it doesn't occur at all > because it's not an occurrence........it's a realization, and not even a human > one. _________You have adopted your words to express your 'nihilistic theory'. The mayavadi philosphers are adept and well rehearsed at this 'game ' if you wish. It's a 'mind game' no doubt, and will take you down ' lonely lane' and into ' nowhere land' lol __in a hurry. > > Surrender/acceptance of all that is, is the doing that cannot be 'done': The > 'Whirrrr' which ends the tension and unravels the doer like a broken clock > spring and marks the end of time. a little dab will do ya , like Bryllcream. Rub that stuff in your eyes a little more and soon your eyes will burn and you will be blind as a stable horse waiting for it's next mount. cheers, drink up and taste the good wine, for the harvest is good. and the vine is ready. the whitehorserides again > > Phil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 In a message dated 11/25/2005 8:56:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Phil:> The really, really cool thing about realizations is that you never hafta do > anything with em for them to be fully functional. You can't use peace to drive > a nail or joy to wash your dishes. (Okay, bad example > > The delicious irony of the function of the entire spiritual path where one > goes nowhere, learns nothing and does nothing, is to go wherever you need to > go to learn to do precisely that. Nothing! Using words to disregard common sense, suggests no sense, and no sense is __________nonsense._____you like that one? lol Phil: The spiritual path goes nowhere because the God that one seeks is within. Ultimate Truth cannot be learned because it cannot be spoken. Truth is not a concept. What humanity does is an expression of what one is being. Doing has no value in terms of awareness of consciousness. In the context in which your thinking is occurring, humans destroy love, joy and peace by struggling. When the struggle ends, humans become what they are in their essence, which is love, joy and peace. This is referred to as being, and is preferable to all the egoistic doing that comes from the perception of need. Nothing is needed. Does that make any more sense? Phil:>The whole game was never about > finding Truth, since there is no Truth here and never will be, it was always ________Here's an interesting trip up with words. look closely. You use the word Truth capitolized as to imply a " " greater one " " now look at your subject ___-illusion___ not capitolizedd ????????? Phil:> about dissolving the illusion; the mask that hides what was always present but > cannot be perceived. so to to disslove the Truth is what you are implying. or the GOD factor implied in Truth but now to support yor theory has become some 'illusion' like as if a lessor unknown. are you having fun? Phil:Truth refers to Absolute Truth. The illusion is called that because it is not Truth. To dissolve that which is not Absolute Truth is to reveal Truth, which remains unchanged by the illusion. Phil:How does one find heaven on Earth? By getting the 'hell' > out of the way. That's all that ever 'occurs' and it doesn't occur at all > because it's not an occurrence........it's a realization, and not even a human > one. _________You have adopted your words to express your 'nihilistic theory'. The mayavadi philosphers are adept and well rehearsed at this 'game ' if you wish. It's a 'mind game' no doubt, and will take you down ' lonely lane' and into ' nowhere land' lol __in a hurry. Phil:The name of the forum on which you are posting is " Nisargadatta " . This is the name of an enlightened teacher of non-dualism, which is what I'm talking about. It sounds odd for you to come to this forum and call the teachings " a lonely lane into nowhere land " . Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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