Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 dear friends Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta swami Krishna is recognized as Lord in human form through His special divine knowledge called as Gita. The identity card for the Lord is this special divine knowledge called as ‘Prajnanam’ (‘Prajnanam Brahma’-Veda) (‘Jnaneetvatmaiva, Vedaischasarvaih’-Gita). Miracles are not identity marks of the Lord since they are like the removable jewels, which can be donated to others also. Demons got these supernatural powers from the Lord by rigid penance and so performed these miracles. The word Prajnanam means the special divine knowledge, which cannot be explained by anybody other than the Lord. This Prajnanam is like the yellow thread around the neck of a married lady, which can never be removed and can never be donated to others. Thus even this Prajnanam is not the inherent characteristic of the Lord and it is also an associated jewel. But it is inseparable and hence can be treated as the inherent characteristic of the Lord and therefore can be useful to catch the Lord. By this you have not directly touched the Lord and therefore the Lord remains unimaginable and is not touched by words, mind, intelligence and logic (‘Yatovachah, Manasasaha, Yobuddheh, Naishatarkena’---Veda) (‘Mamtuvedana’---Gita). Knowledge, love and bliss are the characteristics of awareness or the life energy associated with nervous system. The life energy produced by the respiratory system exists in plants, which do not have knowledge, love and bliss. But the same life energy associated with nervous system becomes awareness, which is present in animals, birds and human beings. The life energy is like the electricity produced from a turbine, which is like the respiratory system. This electricity enters a bulb and is converted into light. Thus the life energy produced from respiratory system is converted into awareness when it enters the bulb, which is the nervous system. Therefore knowledge, love and bliss, which are the characteristics of the awareness, exist even in birds, animals and all the human beings. All these are items of the creation and not the Creator at all. Therefore no human being is Creator. When the Creator comes down after entering into a human form, He is recognized by the Prajnanam. Jnanam is the knowledge of a scholar that can be repeated by another scholar. But Prajnanam is the special divine knowledge, which cannot be repeated by any scholar except the Lord. All the living beings including the Human Incarnation have the common identity card, which is the awareness. All the identity cards have the same colour, which is love and the same shine, which is the bliss. Jnanam is the name of a scholar printed on this identity card. This name is also common for all the scholars. But Prajnanam is the name that is printed on the identity card of the Lord and this name cannot be found on any other identity card. Awareness is also indicated by the word Brahman. Brahman means the greatest. Awareness is greatest among the items of the creation. Veda is greatest among the scriptures and therefore is also called as Brahman. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org ADHHUB wrote: In a message dated 11/25/2005 8:56:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Phil:> but there is no actual thinking process in consciousness. Everything has its root in 'Consciouness'! Yet, Consciouness itself is not changed! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 who are you? Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > dear friends > > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta swami > > Krishna is recognized as Lord in human form through His special divine knowledge called as Gita. The identity card for the Lord is this special divine knowledge called as `Prajnanam' (`Prajnanam Brahma'-Veda) (`Jnaneetvatmaiva, Vedaischasarvaih'-Gita). Miracles are not identity marks of the Lord since they are like the removable jewels, which can be donated to others also. Demons got these supernatural powers from the Lord by rigid penance and so performed these miracles. The word Prajnanam means the special divine knowledge, which cannot be explained by anybody other than the Lord. This Prajnanam is like the yellow thread around the neck of a married lady, which can never be removed and can never be donated to others. > > Thus even this Prajnanam is not the inherent characteristic of the Lord and it is also an associated jewel. But it is inseparable and hence can be treated as the inherent characteristic of the Lord and therefore can be useful to catch the Lord. By this you have not directly touched the Lord and therefore the Lord remains unimaginable and is not touched by words, mind, intelligence and logic (`Yatovachah, Manasasaha, Yobuddheh, Naishatarkena'---Veda) (`Mamtuvedana'---Gita). Knowledge, love and bliss are the characteristics of awareness or the life energy associated with nervous system. > > The life energy produced by the respiratory system exists in plants, which do not have knowledge, love and bliss. But the same life energy associated with nervous system becomes awareness, which is present in animals, birds and human beings. The life energy is like the electricity produced from a turbine, which is like the respiratory system. This electricity enters a bulb and is converted into light. Thus the life energy produced from respiratory system is converted into awareness when it enters the bulb, which is the nervous system. Therefore knowledge, love and bliss, which are the characteristics of the awareness, exist even in birds, animals and all the human beings. All these are items of the creation and not the Creator at all. Therefore no human being is Creator. > > When the Creator comes down after entering into a human form, He is recognized by the Prajnanam. Jnanam is the knowledge of a scholar that can be repeated by another scholar. But Prajnanam is the special divine knowledge, which cannot be repeated by any scholar except the Lord. All the living beings including the Human Incarnation have the common identity card, which is the awareness. All the identity cards have the same colour, which is love and the same shine, which is the bliss. Jnanam is the name of a scholar printed on this identity card. This name is also common for all the scholars. But Prajnanam is the name that is printed on the identity card of the Lord and this name cannot be found on any other identity card. Awareness is also indicated by the word Brahman. Brahman means the greatest. Awareness is greatest among the items of the creation. Veda is greatest among the scriptures and therefore is also called as Brahman. > > posted by: > His servant > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > ADHHUB@A... wrote: > In a message dated 11/25/2005 8:56:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: > > Phil:> but there is no actual thinking process in consciousness. > > Everything has its root in 'Consciouness'! > Yet, Consciouness itself is not changed! > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 dear friend i am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami. H H Shri Datta Swami is preaching divine knowledge to unify all the world religions by comparing their respective scriptures. He is also preaching knowledge to show the true path to Lord to all the spiritual aspirants as per Bible, Vedas, Gita, Khuran... He is incarnation of Lord Datta. regards & at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org bigwaaba <bigwaaba wrote: who are you? Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > dear friends > > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta swami > > Krishna is recognized as Lord in human form through His special divine knowledge called as Gita. The identity card for the Lord is this special divine knowledge called as `Prajnanam' (`Prajnanam Brahma'-Veda) (`Jnaneetvatmaiva, Vedaischasarvaih'-Gita). Miracles are not identity marks of the Lord since they are like the removable jewels, which can be donated to others also. Demons got these supernatural powers from the Lord by rigid penance and so performed these miracles. The word Prajnanam means the special divine knowledge, which cannot be explained by anybody other than the Lord. This Prajnanam is like the yellow thread around the neck of a married lady, which can never be removed and can never be donated to others. > > Thus even this Prajnanam is not the inherent characteristic of the Lord and it is also an associated jewel. But it is inseparable and hence can be treated as the inherent characteristic of the Lord and therefore can be useful to catch the Lord. By this you have not directly touched the Lord and therefore the Lord remains unimaginable and is not touched by words, mind, intelligence and logic (`Yatovachah, Manasasaha, Yobuddheh, Naishatarkena'---Veda) (`Mamtuvedana'---Gita). Knowledge, love and bliss are the characteristics of awareness or the life energy associated with nervous system. > > The life energy produced by the respiratory system exists in plants, which do not have knowledge, love and bliss. But the same life energy associated with nervous system becomes awareness, which is present in animals, birds and human beings. The life energy is like the electricity produced from a turbine, which is like the respiratory system. This electricity enters a bulb and is converted into light. Thus the life energy produced from respiratory system is converted into awareness when it enters the bulb, which is the nervous system. Therefore knowledge, love and bliss, which are the characteristics of the awareness, exist even in birds, animals and all the human beings. All these are items of the creation and not the Creator at all. Therefore no human being is Creator. > > When the Creator comes down after entering into a human form, He is recognized by the Prajnanam. Jnanam is the knowledge of a scholar that can be repeated by another scholar. But Prajnanam is the special divine knowledge, which cannot be repeated by any scholar except the Lord. All the living beings including the Human Incarnation have the common identity card, which is the awareness. All the identity cards have the same colour, which is love and the same shine, which is the bliss. Jnanam is the name of a scholar printed on this identity card. This name is also common for all the scholars. But Prajnanam is the name that is printed on the identity card of the Lord and this name cannot be found on any other identity card. Awareness is also indicated by the word Brahman. Brahman means the greatest. Awareness is greatest among the items of the creation. Veda is greatest among the scriptures and therefore is also called as Brahman. > > posted by: > His servant > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > www.universal-spirituality.org Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 In a message dated 11/27/2005 10:47:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: dear friend i am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami. H H Shri Datta Swami is preaching divine knowledge to unify all the world religions by comparing their respective scriptures. A pretty cool idea. It's my opinion that this can never occur, though, for two reasons. Most folks actually seek exclusivity in their beliefs. They prefer to see themselves as a member of a group in sole possession of the Truth. Also, different levels of teachings exist for a reason. A given level of awareness, with it's own ego dynamics to explore, is drawn to a particular belief system in order to explore those limitations. For example, if one is experiencing great struggle, Buddhism, which focusses on the ending of suffering, will seem to be the perfect system. If one is exploring their own judgment, most of Christianity, which focusses on forgiveness will be useful. Gnosticism, which focusses on Truth being found within, is attractive to those who believe that Truth is found within the human mind, and so on. Each belief system contains, within itself, the seeds of it's own destruction, or what is experienced as transcendence. When on learns the disciplines that lead to tolerance and equanimity, Buddhism is no longer attractive for most. Once one learns to not judge, forgiveness is no longer required, and Christianity is usually abandoned. Once it's realized that Truth isn't to be found in the analysis of sacred texts, Gnosticism is either abandoned or one seeks Truth through intuition. In either case, the belief system is no longer needed. Everything has a purpose in the perfection, including what the Swami is doing. It may not, however, be what he thinks it is. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 To me all the world religions are already unified by the one fact that they all appear in one consciousness, and this is seen naturaly by every ordinary human being with no need of a higher divine knowledge preached by some divine incarnation. There is no separation, what you and your master are seeking is here and now, so simple, so ordinary, so...this...you. Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > dear friend > > i am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami. H H Shri Datta Swami is preaching divine knowledge to unify all the world religions by comparing their respective scriptures. He is also preaching knowledge to show the true path to Lord to all the spiritual aspirants as per Bible, Vedas, Gita, Khuran... He is incarnation of Lord Datta. > > regards & at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > bigwaaba <bigwaaba> wrote: > who are you? > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta swami > > > > Krishna is recognized as Lord in human form through His special divine knowledge called as Gita. The identity card for the Lord is this special divine knowledge called as `Prajnanam' (`Prajnanam > Brahma'-Veda) (`Jnaneetvatmaiva, Vedaischasarvaih'-Gita). Miracles are not identity marks of the Lord since they are like the removable jewels, which can be donated to others also. Demons got these supernatural powers from the Lord by rigid penance and so performed these miracles. The word Prajnanam means the special divine knowledge, which cannot be explained by anybody other than the Lord. > This Prajnanam is like the yellow thread around the neck of a married lady, which can never be removed and can never be donated to others. > > > > Thus even this Prajnanam is not the inherent characteristic of the Lord and it is also an associated jewel. But it is inseparable and hence can be treated as the inherent characteristic of the Lord > and therefore can be useful to catch the Lord. By this you have not directly touched the Lord and therefore the Lord remains unimaginable and is not touched by words, mind, intelligence and logic (`Yatovachah, Manasasaha, Yobuddheh, Naishatarkena'---Veda) > (`Mamtuvedana'---Gita). Knowledge, love and bliss are the characteristics of awareness or the life energy associated with nervous system. > > > > The life energy produced by the respiratory system exists in plants, which do not have knowledge, love and bliss. But the same life energy associated with nervous system becomes awareness, which is present in animals, birds and human beings. The life energy is like the electricity produced from a turbine, which is like the > respiratory system. This electricity enters a bulb and is converted into light. Thus the life energy produced from respiratory system is converted into awareness when it enters the bulb, which is the nervous system. Therefore knowledge, love and bliss, which are the characteristics of the awareness, exist even in birds, animals and all the human beings. All these are items of the creation and not the > Creator at all. Therefore no human being is Creator. > > > > When the Creator comes down after entering into a human form, He is recognized by the Prajnanam. Jnanam is the knowledge of a scholar that can be repeated by another scholar. But Prajnanam is the special > divine knowledge, which cannot be repeated by any scholar except the Lord. All the living beings including the Human Incarnation have the > common identity card, which is the awareness. All the identity cards have the same colour, which is love and the same shine, which is the bliss. Jnanam is the name of a scholar printed on this identity card. > This name is also common for all the scholars. But Prajnanam is the name that is printed on the identity card of the Lord and this name cannot be found on any other identity card. Awareness is also > indicated by the word Brahman. Brahman means the greatest. Awareness is greatest among the items of the creation. Veda is greatest among the scriptures and therefore is also called as Brahman. > > > > posted by: > > His servant > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 ordinary humans do not experience the manifest as one consciousness. if they did, they would not be human. Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > To me all the world religions are already unified by the one fact > that they all appear in one consciousness, and this is seen naturaly > by every ordinary human being with no need of a higher divine > knowledge preached by some divine incarnation. > There is no separation, what you and your master are seeking is here > and now, so simple, so ordinary, so...this...you. > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> > wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > i am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami. H H Shri Datta > Swami is preaching divine knowledge to unify all the world religions > by comparing their respective scriptures. He is also preaching > knowledge to show the true path to Lord to all the spiritual > aspirants as per Bible, Vedas, Gita, Khuran... He is incarnation of > Lord Datta. > > > > regards & at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > bigwaaba <bigwaaba> wrote: > > who are you? > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya > <dattapr2000> > > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta swami > > > > > > Krishna is recognized as Lord in human form through His > special divine knowledge called as Gita. The identity card for the > Lord is this special divine knowledge called as `Prajnanam' > (`Prajnanam > > Brahma'-Veda) (`Jnaneetvatmaiva, Vedaischasarvaih'-Gita). Miracles > are not identity marks of the Lord since they are like the removable > jewels, which can be donated to others also. Demons got these > supernatural powers from the Lord by rigid penance and so performed > these miracles. The word Prajnanam means the special divine > knowledge, which cannot be explained by anybody other than the Lord. > > This Prajnanam is like the yellow thread around the neck of a > married lady, which can never be removed and can never be donated to > others. > > > > > > Thus even this Prajnanam is not the inherent characteristic of > the Lord and it is also an associated jewel. But it is inseparable > and hence can be treated as the inherent characteristic of the Lord > > and therefore can be useful to catch the Lord. By this you have not > directly touched the Lord and therefore the Lord remains unimaginable > and is not touched by words, mind, intelligence and logic > (`Yatovachah, Manasasaha, Yobuddheh, Naishatarkena'---Veda) > > (`Mamtuvedana'---Gita). Knowledge, love and bliss are the > characteristics of awareness or the life energy associated with > nervous system. > > > > > > The life energy produced by the respiratory system exists in > plants, which do not have knowledge, love and bliss. But the same > life energy associated with nervous system becomes awareness, which > is present in animals, birds and human beings. The life energy is > like the electricity produced from a turbine, which is like the > > respiratory system. This electricity enters a bulb and is > converted into light. Thus the life energy produced from respiratory > system is converted into awareness when it enters the bulb, which is > the nervous system. Therefore knowledge, love and bliss, which are > the characteristics of the awareness, exist even in birds, animals > and all the human beings. All these are items of the creation and not > the > > Creator at all. Therefore no human being is Creator. > > > > > > When the Creator comes down after entering into a human form, > He is recognized by the Prajnanam. Jnanam is the knowledge of a > scholar that can be repeated by another scholar. But Prajnanam is the > special > > divine knowledge, which cannot be repeated by any scholar except > the Lord. All the living beings including the Human Incarnation have > the > > common identity card, which is the awareness. All the identity > cards have the same colour, which is love and the same shine, which > is the bliss. Jnanam is the name of a scholar printed on this > identity card. > > This name is also common for all the scholars. But Prajnanam is the > name that is printed on the identity card of the Lord and this name > cannot be found on any other identity card. Awareness is also > > indicated by the word Brahman. Brahman means the greatest. > Awareness is greatest among the items of the creation. Veda is > greatest among the scriptures and therefore is also called as > Brahman. > > > > > > posted by: > > > His servant > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > To me all the world religions are already unified by the one fact > that they all appear in one consciousness, and this is seen naturaly > by every ordinary human being with no need of a higher divine > knowledge preached by some divine incarnation. > There is no separation, what you and your master are seeking is here > and now, so simple, so ordinary, so...this...you. > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> > wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > i am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami. H H Shri Datta > Swami is preaching divine knowledge to unify all the world religions > by comparing their respective scriptures. He is also preaching > knowledge to show the true path to Lord to all the spiritual > aspirants as per Bible, Vedas, Gita, Khuran... He is incarnation of > Lord Datta. > > > > regards & at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org i 'm not too sure if you are addressing your message at me or not, but it appears for the second time. As for myself, i took a quick look at the datta swammi's site the other day and sent him an email. i presume he may not answer b/c he's too busy. i revisited a little while ago and noticed that the 'swami' may be a nice mna and have alot of knowledge in eastern traditions , but no doubt his knowlegde of the Bible is limited if not just as hillarious as the ones standing on the pulpit today. It is clear he has not done his homework in reading the Bible, but has spent his time in eastern studies. That may be good but to say that he brings all religions together, is a stretch and furthermore is not the good word of God. It is not possible nor necessary. Even though they appear in this world it does not imply that they are all fom Him. Nevertheless he may be a nice man, i hope to hear from him. since he is your guru, you might tap him on the shoulder and ask him to write me a few words. i 'm always looking for good association. peace my friend, surya. if the message was intended to someone else then peace to him too. your friend in Him. the whitehorse rider > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > > ordinary humans do not experience the manifest as one consciousness. if they did, they > would not be human. > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > To me all the world religions are already unified by the one fact > > that they all appear in one consciousness, and this is seen naturaly > > by every ordinary human being with no need of a higher divine > > knowledge preached by some divine incarnation. > > There is no separation, what you and your master are seeking is here > > and now, so simple, so ordinary, so...this...you. > > good day , it appears surya you may have to clarify your statement here. i believe Raman has misunderstod but maybe i have. However , my interpretation was that since all religions are understood with common sense, that they appear in this world. And that it does not take any special divine or spiritual realizations to understand that. Is that correct? Then you put forth a blurp from datta swami on what he says about total consciousness regarding God and the limited difference that man has. Is that somewhat correct? surya, surya. whitehorserides again > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> > > wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > i am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami. H H Shri Datta > > Swami is preaching divine knowledge to unify all the world religions > > by comparing their respective scriptures. He is also preaching > > knowledge to show the true path to Lord to all the spiritual > > aspirants as per Bible, Vedas, Gita, Khuran... He is incarnation of > > Lord Datta. > > > > > > regards & at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > surya > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > bigwaaba <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > who are you? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya > > <dattapr2000> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta swami > > > > > > > > Krishna is recognized as Lord in human form through His > > special divine knowledge called as Gita. The identity card for the > > Lord is this special divine knowledge called as `Prajnanam' > > (`Prajnanam > > > Brahma'-Veda) (`Jnaneetvatmaiva, Vedaischasarvaih'-Gita). Miracles > > are not identity marks of the Lord since they are like the removable > > jewels, which can be donated to others also. Demons got these > > supernatural powers from the Lord by rigid penance and so performed > > these miracles. The word Prajnanam means the special divine > > knowledge, which cannot be explained by anybody other than the Lord. > > > This Prajnanam is like the yellow thread around the neck of a > > married lady, which can never be removed and can never be donated to > > others. > > > > > > > > Thus even this Prajnanam is not the inherent characteristic of > > the Lord and it is also an associated jewel. But it is inseparable > > and hence can be treated as the inherent characteristic of the Lord > > > and therefore can be useful to catch the Lord. By this you have not > > directly touched the Lord and therefore the Lord remains unimaginable > > and is not touched by words, mind, intelligence and logic > > (`Yatovachah, Manasasaha, Yobuddheh, Naishatarkena'---Veda) > > > (`Mamtuvedana'---Gita). Knowledge, love and bliss are the > > characteristics of awareness or the life energy associated with > > nervous system. > > > > > > > > The life energy produced by the respiratory system exists in > > plants, which do not have knowledge, love and bliss. But the same > > life energy associated with nervous system becomes awareness, which > > is present in animals, birds and human beings. The life energy is > > like the electricity produced from a turbine, which is like the > > > respiratory system. This electricity enters a bulb and is > > converted into light. Thus the life energy produced from respiratory > > system is converted into awareness when it enters the bulb, which is > > the nervous system. Therefore knowledge, love and bliss, which are > > the characteristics of the awareness, exist even in birds, animals > > and all the human beings. All these are items of the creation and not > > the > > > Creator at all. Therefore no human being is Creator. > > > > > > > > When the Creator comes down after entering into a human form, > > He is recognized by the Prajnanam. Jnanam is the knowledge of a > > scholar that can be repeated by another scholar. But Prajnanam is the > > special > > > divine knowledge, which cannot be repeated by any scholar except > > the Lord. All the living beings including the Human Incarnation have > > the > > > common identity card, which is the awareness. All the identity > > cards have the same colour, which is love and the same shine, which > > is the bliss. Jnanam is the name of a scholar printed on this > > identity card. > > > This name is also common for all the scholars. But Prajnanam is the > > name that is printed on the identity card of the Lord and this name > > cannot be found on any other identity card. Awareness is also > > > indicated by the word Brahman. Brahman means the greatest. > > Awareness is greatest among the items of the creation. Veda is > > greatest among the scriptures and therefore is also called as > > Brahman. > > > > > > > > posted by: > > > > His servant > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 yes, and neither divine! Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > > ordinary humans do not experience the manifest as one consciousness. if they did, they > would not be human. > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > To me all the world religions are already unified by the one fact > > that they all appear in one consciousness, and this is seen naturaly > > by every ordinary human being with no need of a higher divine > > knowledge preached by some divine incarnation. > > There is no separation, what you and your master are seeking is here > > and now, so simple, so ordinary, so...this...you. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> > > wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > i am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami. H H Shri Datta > > Swami is preaching divine knowledge to unify all the world religions > > by comparing their respective scriptures. He is also preaching > > knowledge to show the true path to Lord to all the spiritual > > aspirants as per Bible, Vedas, Gita, Khuran... He is incarnation of > > Lord Datta. > > > > > > regards & at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > surya > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > bigwaaba <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > who are you? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya > > <dattapr2000> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta swami > > > > > > > > Krishna is recognized as Lord in human form through His > > special divine knowledge called as Gita. The identity card for the > > Lord is this special divine knowledge called as `Prajnanam' > > (`Prajnanam > > > Brahma'-Veda) (`Jnaneetvatmaiva, Vedaischasarvaih'-Gita). Miracles > > are not identity marks of the Lord since they are like the removable > > jewels, which can be donated to others also. Demons got these > > supernatural powers from the Lord by rigid penance and so performed > > these miracles. The word Prajnanam means the special divine > > knowledge, which cannot be explained by anybody other than the Lord. > > > This Prajnanam is like the yellow thread around the neck of a > > married lady, which can never be removed and can never be donated to > > others. > > > > > > > > Thus even this Prajnanam is not the inherent characteristic of > > the Lord and it is also an associated jewel. But it is inseparable > > and hence can be treated as the inherent characteristic of the Lord > > > and therefore can be useful to catch the Lord. By this you have not > > directly touched the Lord and therefore the Lord remains unimaginable > > and is not touched by words, mind, intelligence and logic > > (`Yatovachah, Manasasaha, Yobuddheh, Naishatarkena'---Veda) > > > (`Mamtuvedana'---Gita). Knowledge, love and bliss are the > > characteristics of awareness or the life energy associated with > > nervous system. > > > > > > > > The life energy produced by the respiratory system exists in > > plants, which do not have knowledge, love and bliss. But the same > > life energy associated with nervous system becomes awareness, which > > is present in animals, birds and human beings. The life energy is > > like the electricity produced from a turbine, which is like the > > > respiratory system. This electricity enters a bulb and is > > converted into light. Thus the life energy produced from respiratory > > system is converted into awareness when it enters the bulb, which is > > the nervous system. Therefore knowledge, love and bliss, which are > > the characteristics of the awareness, exist even in birds, animals > > and all the human beings. All these are items of the creation and not > > the > > > Creator at all. Therefore no human being is Creator. > > > > > > > > When the Creator comes down after entering into a human form, > > He is recognized by the Prajnanam. Jnanam is the knowledge of a > > scholar that can be repeated by another scholar. But Prajnanam is the > > special > > > divine knowledge, which cannot be repeated by any scholar except > > the Lord. All the living beings including the Human Incarnation have > > the > > > common identity card, which is the awareness. All the identity > > cards have the same colour, which is love and the same shine, which > > is the bliss. Jnanam is the name of a scholar printed on this > > identity card. > > > This name is also common for all the scholars. But Prajnanam is the > > name that is printed on the identity card of the Lord and this name > > cannot be found on any other identity card. Awareness is also > > > indicated by the word Brahman. Brahman means the greatest. > > Awareness is greatest among the items of the creation. Veda is > > greatest among the scriptures and therefore is also called as > > Brahman. > > > > > > > > posted by: > > > > His servant > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > and neither liberated... > yes, and neither divine! > > > > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> > wrote: > > > > > > ordinary humans do not experience the manifest as one > consciousness. if they did, they > > would not be human. > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > To me all the world religions are already unified by the one fact > > > that they all appear in one consciousness, and this is seen > naturaly > > > by every ordinary human being with no need of a higher divine > > > knowledge preached by some divine incarnation. > > > There is no separation, what you and your master are seeking is > here > > > and now, so simple, so ordinary, so...this...you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya > <dattapr2000> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > i am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami. H H Shri > Datta > > > Swami is preaching divine knowledge to unify all the world > religions > > > by comparing their respective scriptures. He is also preaching > > > knowledge to show the true path to Lord to all the spiritual > > > aspirants as per Bible, Vedas, Gita, Khuran... He is incarnation > of > > > Lord Datta. > > > > > > > > regards & at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > surya > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigwaaba <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > who are you? > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya > > > <dattapr2000> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta swami > > > > > > > > > > Krishna is recognized as Lord in human form through His > > > special divine knowledge called as Gita. The identity card for > the > > > Lord is this special divine knowledge called as `Prajnanam' > > > (`Prajnanam > > > > Brahma'-Veda) (`Jnaneetvatmaiva, Vedaischasarvaih'-Gita). > Miracles > > > are not identity marks of the Lord since they are like the > removable > > > jewels, which can be donated to others also. Demons got these > > > supernatural powers from the Lord by rigid penance and so > performed > > > these miracles. The word Prajnanam means the special divine > > > knowledge, which cannot be explained by anybody other than the > Lord. > > > > This Prajnanam is like the yellow thread around the neck of a > > > married lady, which can never be removed and can never be donated > to > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > Thus even this Prajnanam is not the inherent characteristic > of > > > the Lord and it is also an associated jewel. But it is > inseparable > > > and hence can be treated as the inherent characteristic of the > Lord > > > > and therefore can be useful to catch the Lord. By this you have > not > > > directly touched the Lord and therefore the Lord remains > unimaginable > > > and is not touched by words, mind, intelligence and logic > > > (`Yatovachah, Manasasaha, Yobuddheh, Naishatarkena'---Veda) > > > > (`Mamtuvedana'---Gita). Knowledge, love and bliss are the > > > characteristics of awareness or the life energy associated with > > > nervous system. > > > > > > > > > > The life energy produced by the respiratory system exists > in > > > plants, which do not have knowledge, love and bliss. But the same > > > life energy associated with nervous system becomes awareness, > which > > > is present in animals, birds and human beings. The life energy is > > > like the electricity produced from a turbine, which is like the > > > > respiratory system. This electricity enters a bulb and is > > > converted into light. Thus the life energy produced from > respiratory > > > system is converted into awareness when it enters the bulb, which > is > > > the nervous system. Therefore knowledge, love and bliss, which > are > > > the characteristics of the awareness, exist even in birds, > animals > > > and all the human beings. All these are items of the creation and > not > > > the > > > > Creator at all. Therefore no human being is Creator. > > > > > > > > > > When the Creator comes down after entering into a human > form, > > > He is recognized by the Prajnanam. Jnanam is the knowledge of a > > > scholar that can be repeated by another scholar. But Prajnanam is > the > > > special > > > > divine knowledge, which cannot be repeated by any scholar > except > > > the Lord. All the living beings including the Human Incarnation > have > > > the > > > > common identity card, which is the awareness. All the identity > > > cards have the same colour, which is love and the same shine, > which > > > is the bliss. Jnanam is the name of a scholar printed on this > > > identity card. > > > > This name is also common for all the scholars. But Prajnanam is > the > > > name that is printed on the identity card of the Lord and this > name > > > cannot be found on any other identity card. Awareness is also > > > > indicated by the word Brahman. Brahman means the greatest. > > > Awareness is greatest among the items of the creation. Veda is > > > greatest among the scriptures and therefore is also called as > > > Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > posted by: > > > > > His servant > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it > free. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 dear friend Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami Q) A Christian Devotee: How can I believe other human incarnations like Krishna, Buddha and Mohammed when my Bible says that only Jesus is God in Flesh? Ans) Swami: Bible says that Jesus is the God in flesh, but Gita says for a Hindu, That Krishna is the God in flesh, let us analyse both these views? I am not touching Buddhism and Islam in this topic because Islam believes That Mohammad is not God in flesh and He was only messenger of God. Buddhism keeps silent on the God and no question of God in flesh for them. If the Bible told that Krishna was not God in flesh or if Gita told that Jesus was not God in flesh, then both Bible and Gita are valid. When the scriptures does not mention like this in complete version How can you interpret your own scripture in the other way? More over all of you whether Christians or Hindus have to accept The concept of one God, there is no other alternative way in this. You say that your God created this entire world and Hindus say that Their God created this same entire world, unfortunately my dear friends! I do not find two worlds and I find only one world! Now tell me Whether this single entire world is created by Christian God or Hindu God? One of you or both should be wrong and in that case who is wrong? Either you should have two separate worlds or you should have single God. If both the scriptures are wrong and both Gods did not create this Universe Then the vote goes to Science, which says that the world exists by itself. They say that nobody created this world and it is self-existent. Since both are sacred scriptures, let us solve this problem by analysis. If you are rigid of your own scripture, I am not touching you at all. If one is rigid where is the place for logical analysis and judgement? In the court if one party says that what ever it says is the only truth What is the necessity of the court, advocates, arguments and judgement? If you leave rigidity and become flexible to accept the truth After analysis only, you are most welcome to my Universal Spirituality. Even in the small worldly matters, we apply open mind and analysis, I wonder why you are not applying the same open mind and analysis In such most important spiritual knowledge which decides everything. The word Jesus stands for Human Incarnation and similarly the word Krishna. In scriptures, we have to take the internal meanings and not simple external Meanings for the sacred words, each word is ocean of divine knowledge. Bible says that the lamb will come in red robe, here what is the meaning For the word lamb? Is it simple animal with four legs and one tail. Does this mean that Jesus will come again as animal? Here you say That the word lamb stands for the Lord who is pure and innocent Like the lamb, at one place you take the inner meaning and at other place You take the external meaning! Therefore, the word Jesus means God in flesh, Which means that the Lord comes in human form with blood and flesh. This is a great concept, which Jesus tried to establish to the devotees. Till then the Islam believed only in the formless God called Allah. Islam does not treat Mohammad as God in flesh even today. Jesus told that He and His father are one and the same, what does this mean? Here the word father does not mean Joseph, the husband of His mother Mary. If you take the meaning of the word of father in the external sense only It is impossible because two human beings cannot be one and the same. That Creator is indicated by the word father and human incarnation by the word Jesus Both are one and the same since God pervaded all over the human incarnation. If you take the meaning of the word Jesus as a particular human body only, Then the meaning of the word father should also mean another particular human body. In that case both the human bodies cannot be one and the same because We are seeing the father and the son represented by two separate human bodies. posted by His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org whitehorserides <green1911 wrote: > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > To me all the world religions are already unified by the one fact > > that they all appear in one consciousness, and this is seen naturaly > > by every ordinary human being with no need of a higher divine > > knowledge preached by some divine incarnation. > > There is no separation, what you and your master are seeking is here > > and now, so simple, so ordinary, so...this...you.> > good day , it appears surya you may have to clarify your statement here.i believe Raman has misunderstod but maybe i have. However , my interpretation was that since all religions are understood with common sense, that they appear in this world. And that it does not take any special divine or spiritual realizations to understand that. Is that correct? Then you put forth a blurp from datta swami on what he says about total consciousness regarding God and the limited difference that man has. Is that somewhat correct? surya, surya. whitehorserides again Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 In a message dated 11/28/2005 2:11:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " whitehorserides " <green1911 Re: Understanding 'yourself' ! - * Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > > ordinary humans do not experience the manifest as one consciousness. if they did, they > would not be human. > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > To me all the world religions are already unified by the one fact > > that they all appear in one consciousness, and this is seen naturaly > > by every ordinary human being with no need of a higher divine > > knowledge preached by some divine incarnation. > > There is no separation, what you and your master are seeking is here > > and now, so simple, so ordinary, so...this...you. > > good day , it appears surya you may have to clarify your statement here. i believe Raman has misunderstod but maybe i have. However , my interpretation was that since all religions are understood with common sense, that they appear in this world. And that it does not take any special divine or spiritual realizations to understand that. Is that correct? Then you put forth a blurp from datta swami on what he says about total consciousness regarding God and the limited difference that man has. Is that somewhat correct? surya, surya. whitehorserides again Religions have little to do with common sense and only the crudest form of conceptualization is achieved without a 'special' spiritual awareness. " Understanding " within a religious framework, is a sham; a mirage. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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