Reincarnation and beyond______

November 26, 2005

I God will cast you out and your mother that bares you, into other

countries, and there you will suffer.

I, God am against your religious teachers b/c the tell you lies, and I

will bring evil against all the towns.

" I will prepare destroyers against you, b/c i have set my face against

this city for evil, and not for good " saith the Lord.

I will deliver them into all kingdoms of the earth for their hurt and

I will send a war, famine and disease among them.

__________________these expressions have been paraphrased, the

understanding is that there is a continuing condition, that you shall

reap for your actions.

Yhis is constantly repeated in the Torah , the Old Testament.

There is no possiblility of escaping God or the Spirit One, who is

omniscience.

The physical manifestation of the world is all in body.

The difference is which body you have come into. From what body did you

come, then you go unto another body.

Here God says " I will cast you into unfavourable bodies filled with

pain, and there you will die " The population of the countries of

poverty increase, wars and disorder increases, violence is increasing

in the western cultures. This is all a product of a lack of Good

understanding and proper Wisdom. And the subsequent result is another

condition, also referred to taking birth in deserts, or where pastors

or religious leaders, speaking of not gods, or idol wooden statue gods

or simply no god, just nihilism, a theory of nothingness, or

meaningness, which takes on various forms.

Just like a mental or " by polar " person is out of balance, some are

violent others are friendly by polars, nevertheless still unbalanced.

People are finding various philosophies, and entering a pattern of

thinking, belief system, conscious escapism, denialism, or even

socialism (the biggest of all traps) as a state by which they have

come to embrace or personally accept as their guide.

The dangers are manifold, but the biggest is spiritual suicide.

If one denies all, then so is denial of the composition of the 'pure

self' which is the soul which is the habitat of love or the perfection

of bliss. Bliss cannot be void. There is no possibility of bliss being

alone for 'service' the active principal, that which is inseperable

from the spirit & soul.

YOU CANNOT seperate service from life. For at every second you are

serving something. Consequently, the next situation is also the same.

The soul does not change, nor dissolve or vanish. Ultimately it will be

again. And to that state will there be another condition of 'serving'.

Let's even prove 'spiritual suicide' of another sort. Let's say for eg,

you have the erroneous idea that you become God, God. Is it not that

even God, G-d serves and continues to serve, and since serve also sees

to the pitfall and shortcomings of the souls left behind. So even

becoming God you will serve.

This is an intersesting analogy b/c , if you actually become realized

as in pure thought then you would be with God as " Host of Heaven " ,

which is a postion in His government and serves the greater whole in

some capacity as management, maintenance in some form.

Therefore,again a body of some kind, be it celestial or be it earthly,

as in saint or angel or son sent, or avatara. All still as " Host of

Heaven " , living in one of God's mansions.

All these expressions are coming from the Holy Prophets or Bible.

Eternal implies internal as spirit-soul mind, and external as in the

body. However, bodies come and go. therefore since you are realized

eternal servant, regulating service to maintain the temporal body and

focus on the service the 'spirit body'is the essence of True Self.

God expands Himself. Where? into bodies that go through changes, but

the little souls don't go through body changes, except they assume a

new body, and act out in that body according to the new circumstances

it falls into.

NOW FULL CIRCLE BACK TO THE TOP, WHERE GOD SAYS " UNLESS YOU GET YOUR

ACT TOGETHER AND PLAY ACCORDING TO MY RULES YOU WILL BE IN ENEMY

TERRITORY AGAIN AND FIND DEFEAT AGAIN, BECAUSE I WIN ALL FIGHTS, I'M

GOD.

November 26, 2005

Divine Message of His Holiness Swami gave the Essence of Gita in the following

song:

How should I tell you, O Partha! How should I tell you? (Main-Chorus)

1) If I say that I am not the Lord, You will say that I am the Lord,

If I say that I am the Lord, you will say that I am not the Lord,

If I don’t love I am a stone for you, if I love you, you tell me to go,

If you like to be with me always, you have to cut all the bonds.

Impossible! O Partha! This is impossible! (Side-chorus)

(Main-chorus)

2) I came to uplift the justice, I sing this Gita to teach you,

Love with service, is the only way! Be with me with lovely service,

To love and serve human form is best, Narayana came down as Krishna,

Human form can only preach, to know human form is divine knowledge.

Divine knowledge, O Partha! This is divine knowledge! (Side-chorus)

(Main-chorus)

3) Two obstacle-walls oppose you here; egoism and jealousy are the walls,

Human body repels human body; therefore you reject My human form,

Realize you are not the human body; you are the soul that is the pure

awareness,

Why do you hate the human body, when you are not the human body?

Love me, O, Partha! Love my human form! (Side-chorus)

(Main-chorus)

4) I am Vaasudeva, the son of Vasudeva; serve Me in this human form only,

Soul need not hate the human body; atleast love all the human beings,

In any way love the human beings, so that you love Me in human form,

Before you love and serve Me finally, you love and serve the humanity.

Practice, O, Partha! It is practice! (Side-chorus)

(Main-chorus)

5) Divine knowledge means detecting Me, loving Me and then serving Me

always,

Entire creation is My will only; the human body is also My will,

God pervaded My human body; God Himself is teaching you,

Don’t claim that you are the Lord, just by becoming the self.

Demonism, O, Partha! This is demonism! (Side-chorus)

(Main-chorus)

6) Sacrifice of work and fruit of work, both are the service, like the

plate of meals,

Oral singing and love with the mind; to be given like the drinking water,

Don’t give only water to Lord, and charge Him for giving the water

But meals must be with drinking water; don’t aspire for payment from Lord

He will bless you, O, Partha! He will always bless you! (Side-chorus)

(Main-chorus)

7) You think of Me as a human body since you are also the human body

I am the hot water, water with heat; you are the cold water, water without

heat,

Don’t propagate that I am the Lord; others may not digest that truth,

They will mock you and drag you down, to their level to be equal with you,

Human tendency, O, Partha! This is human tendency! (Side-chorus)

(Main-chorus)

posted by His servant

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

www.universal-spirituality.org

whitehorserides <green1911 wrote:

I God will cast you out and your mother that bares you, into other countries,

and there you will suffer.

I, God am against your religious teachers b/c the tell you lies, and I will

bring evil against all the towns.

" I will prepare destroyers against you, b/c i have set my face against this city

for evil, and not for good " saith the Lord.

I will deliver them into all kingdoms of the earth for their hurt and I will

send a war, famine and disease among them.

__________________these expressions have been paraphrased, the understanding is

that there is a continuing condition, that you shall reap for your actions.Yhis

is constantly repeated in the Torah , the Old Testament.

There is no possiblility of escaping God or the Spirit One, who is omniscience.

The physical manifestation of the world is all in body.

The difference is which body you have come into. From what body did you come,

then you go unto another body.

Here God says " I will cast you into unfavourable bodies filled with pain, and

there you will die " The population of the countries of poverty increase, wars

and disorder increases, violence is increasing

in the western cultures. This is all a product of a lack of Good understanding

and proper Wisdom. And the subsequent result is another condition, also referred

to taking birth in deserts, or where pastors

or religious leaders, speaking of not gods, or idol wooden statue gods or simply

no god, just nihilism, a theory of nothingness, or meaningness, which takes on

various forms.

Just like a mental or " by polar " person is out of balance, some are violent

others are friendly by polars, nevertheless still unbalanced.

People are finding various philosophies, and entering a pattern of thinking,

belief system, conscious escapism, denialism, or even socialism (the biggest

of all traps) as a state by which they have come to embrace or personally

accept as their guide.

The dangers are manifold, but the biggest is spiritual suicide.

If one denies all, then so is denial of the composition of the 'pure self' which

is the soul which is the habitat of love or the perfection of bliss. Bliss

cannot be void. There is no possibility of bliss being

alone for 'service' the active principal, that which is inseperable from the

spirit & soul.

YOU CANNOT seperate service from life. For at every second you are serving

something. Consequently, the next situation is also the same.

The soul does not change, nor dissolve or vanish. Ultimately it will be again.

And to that state will there be another condition of 'serving'.

Let's even prove 'spiritual suicide' of another sort. Let's say for eg, you have

the erroneous idea that you become God, God. Is it not that even God, G-d serves

and continues to serve, and since serve also sees

to the pitfall and shortcomings of the souls left behind. So even becoming God

you will serve.

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November 27, 2005

ha. what a mess. what is real was never so complicated. you should relax. show

us a

mountain of imagery, of profound thought, unveil a universe of depth, and then

turn away

from it if you can. listen, i have profound religion and message of god, it goes

" hickory,

dickory, dock..... " ooooops, i seem to have forgotten the rest.

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> I God will cast you out and your mother that bares you, into other

> countries, and there you will suffer.

>

> I, God am against your religious teachers b/c the tell you lies, and I

> will bring evil against all the towns.

>

> " I will prepare destroyers against you, b/c i have set my face against

> this city for evil, and not for good " saith the Lord.

>

> I will deliver them into all kingdoms of the earth for their hurt and

> I will send a war, famine and disease among them.

>

> __________________these expressions have been paraphrased, the

> understanding is that there is a continuing condition, that you shall

> reap for your actions.

> Yhis is constantly repeated in the Torah , the Old Testament.

>

> There is no possiblility of escaping God or the Spirit One, who is

> omniscience.

>

> The physical manifestation of the world is all in body.

> The difference is which body you have come into. From what body did you

> come, then you go unto another body.

>

> Here God says " I will cast you into unfavourable bodies filled with

> pain, and there you will die " The population of the countries of

> poverty increase, wars and disorder increases, violence is increasing

> in the western cultures. This is all a product of a lack of Good

> understanding and proper Wisdom. And the subsequent result is another

> condition, also referred to taking birth in deserts, or where pastors

> or religious leaders, speaking of not gods, or idol wooden statue gods

> or simply no god, just nihilism, a theory of nothingness, or

> meaningness, which takes on various forms.

>

> Just like a mental or " by polar " person is out of balance, some are

> violent others are friendly by polars, nevertheless still unbalanced.

>

> People are finding various philosophies, and entering a pattern of

> thinking, belief system, conscious escapism, denialism, or even

> socialism (the biggest of all traps) as a state by which they have

> come to embrace or personally accept as their guide.

>

> The dangers are manifold, but the biggest is spiritual suicide.

>

> If one denies all, then so is denial of the composition of the 'pure

> self' which is the soul which is the habitat of love or the perfection

> of bliss. Bliss cannot be void. There is no possibility of bliss being

> alone for 'service' the active principal, that which is inseperable

> from the spirit & soul.

> YOU CANNOT seperate service from life. For at every second you are

> serving something. Consequently, the next situation is also the same.

> The soul does not change, nor dissolve or vanish. Ultimately it will be

> again. And to that state will there be another condition of 'serving'.

>

> Let's even prove 'spiritual suicide' of another sort. Let's say for eg,

> you have the erroneous idea that you become God, God. Is it not that

> even God, G-d serves and continues to serve, and since serve also sees

> to the pitfall and shortcomings of the souls left behind. So even

> becoming God you will serve.

>

> This is an intersesting analogy b/c , if you actually become realized

> as in pure thought then you would be with God as " Host of Heaven " ,

> which is a postion in His government and serves the greater whole in

> some capacity as management, maintenance in some form.

> Therefore,again a body of some kind, be it celestial or be it earthly,

> as in saint or angel or son sent, or avatara. All still as " Host of

> Heaven " , living in one of God's mansions.

>

> All these expressions are coming from the Holy Prophets or Bible.

>

> Eternal implies internal as spirit-soul mind, and external as in the

> body. However, bodies come and go. therefore since you are realized

> eternal servant, regulating service to maintain the temporal body and

> focus on the service the 'spirit body'is the essence of True Self.

>

> God expands Himself. Where? into bodies that go through changes, but

> the little souls don't go through body changes, except they assume a

> new body, and act out in that body according to the new circumstances

> it falls into.

>

> NOW FULL CIRCLE BACK TO THE TOP, WHERE GOD SAYS " UNLESS YOU GET YOUR

> ACT TOGETHER AND PLAY ACCORDING TO MY RULES YOU WILL BE IN ENEMY

> TERRITORY AGAIN AND FIND DEFEAT AGAIN, BECAUSE I WIN ALL FIGHTS, I'M

> GOD.

>

November 27, 2005

Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06>

wrote:

>

> ha. what a mess. what is real was never so complicated. you should

relax. show us a

> mountain of imagery, of profound thought, unveil a universe of

depth, and then turn away

> from it if you can. listen, i have profound religion and message of

god, it goes " hickory,

> dickory, dock..... " ooooops, i seem to have forgotten the rest.

>

good day,

you have a made kind of of a mocking comment there Raman, i'm not

too sure if you have tripped over some words or you did forget what

you are saying, cause i myself don't know the end either.

What is the mountain of imagery, and profound thought. Your sentences

lack some structure, kind of like mine sometimes, but since you were

first to comment, i shall take it, that English may not be your

mother tongue.

Atleast that's what some have said to me before, and i concur.

If you have a specific point that you may not understand nor agree

with i will be glad to elaborate, or expand upon.

since i have not seen your posts before i'm not too sure you have

anything to add, or subtract as most nihilists like to do.

>

peace my friend

in Her and Him

i remain.

November 27, 2005

ha.

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06>

> wrote:

> >

> > ha. what a mess. what is real was never so complicated. you should

> relax. show us a

> > mountain of imagery, of profound thought, unveil a universe of

> depth, and then turn away

> > from it if you can. listen, i have profound religion and message of

> god, it goes " hickory,

> > dickory, dock..... " ooooops, i seem to have forgotten the rest.

> >

>

> good day,

>

> you have a made kind of of a mocking comment there Raman, i'm not

> too sure if you have tripped over some words or you did forget what

> you are saying, cause i myself don't know the end either.

>

> What is the mountain of imagery, and profound thought. Your sentences

> lack some structure, kind of like mine sometimes, but since you were

> first to comment, i shall take it, that English may not be your

> mother tongue.

> Atleast that's what some have said to me before, and i concur.

> If you have a specific point that you may not understand nor agree

> with i will be glad to elaborate, or expand upon.

> since i have not seen your posts before i'm not too sure you have

> anything to add, or subtract as most nihilists like to do.

> >

> peace my friend

> in Her and Him

> i remain.

>

November 27, 2005

Something about the mouse that roared.......Wasn't it?

In a message dated 11/27/2005 10:47:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

ha. what a mess. what is real was never so complicated. you should relax.

show us a

mountain of imagery, of profound thought, unveil a universe of depth, and

then turn away

from it if you can. listen, i have profound religion and message of god, it

goes " hickory,

dickory, dock..... " ooooops, i seem to have forgotten the rest.

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...>