Understanding 'yourself' ! or PERHAPS LYOTARD

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

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> In a message dated 11/26/2005 10:46:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

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> > Phil:There is no such thing as a thinker. There is only

> thought 'occurring.'

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> > Phil

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> > good am phil,

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> Are you certain?

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> Are you a nihilist?

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> No. Nihilism is a secular philosophy that notices the impotence of

the human

> in it's experience but fails to notice the silent witness of that

> experience.

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> How could anything that is not God exist? You are That.

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> Phil

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___________I HEAR you Phil but are you 'That' as in " " " God " " " , and if

so you may also simpply be attemptemping to annihilate all else to

become somnethig which you nothing about, as in the whole. As a drop

of water put into the ocean, now the ocean. Is, that the 'That' or is

that the Is?

Subsequently becoming It.

There is expresion within nihilism to render this concept as well,

since it denies all seperate and unique forms as 'one'.

 

This is what the dangers of nilihism cause. when you listen closely

enough to the differences, they lead one to justification of ones own

independent actions, aa seen below, under " antifoundationalism. "

 

The Holy Prophets, do not deny the existence of the forces of evil,

even though they recognize they are ultimately under God's direction.

They recognize difference, and say 'do not come under their

influence'. " " " " i am in the world, but do not (( spiritually)) come

under the secularists control, therefore i'm not of this world b/c i

take my knowlege and instruction from God, who is in Spirit, or the

Holy Spirit " " " . You as a unique individual have choice and it's in

that choice you can give or receive love, or God. Conversely, you can

give or accept the opposite, ie evil. A true NON DUALIST is fully

aware of choice and is dhira, or unaffected with change, being fixed

in his sadhana with God, always knowing that he is not ''that God''

but cooperates with. _______operative word is 'with'.

 

 

4. Antifoundationalism and Nihilism

 

By the late 20th century, " nihilism " had assumed two different

castes. In one form, " nihilist " is used to characterize the

postmodern man, a dehumanized conformist, alienated, indifferent, and

baffled, directing psychological energy into hedonistic narcissism or

into a deep ressentiment that often explodes in violence. This

perspective is derived from the existentialists' reflections on

nihilism stripped of any hopeful expectations, leaving only the

experience of sickness, decay, and disintegration.

 

In his study of meaninglessness, Donald Crosby writes that the source

of modern nihilism paradoxically stems from a commitment to honest

intellectual openness. " Once set in motion, the process of

questioning could come to but one end, the erosion of conviction and

certitude and collapse into despair " (The Specter of the Absurd,

1988). When sincere inquiry is extended to moral convictions and

social consensus, it can prove deadly, Crosby continues, promoting

forces that ultimately destroy civilizations.

 

Michael Novak's

recently revised The Experience of Nothingness (1968, 1998) tells a

similar story. Both studies are responses to the existentialists'

gloomy findings from earlier in the century. And both optimistically

discuss ways out of the abyss by focusing of the positive

implications nothingness reveals, such as liberty, freedom, and

creative possibilities. Novak, for example, describes how since WWII

we have been working to " climb out of nihilism " on the way to

building a new civilization.

 

In contrast to the efforts to overcome nihilism noted above is the

uniquely postmodern response associated with the current

antifoundationalists. The philosophical, ethical, and intellectual

crisis of nihilism that has tormented modern philosophers for over a

century has given way to mild annoyance or, more interestingly, an

upbeat acceptance of meaninglessness.

 

French philosopher Jean-Francois Lyotard characterizes postmodernism

as an " incredulity toward metanarratives, " those all-embracing

foundations that we have relied on to make sense of the world. This

extreme skepticism has undermined intellectual and moral hierarchies

and made " truth " claims, transcendental or transcultural,

problematic.

 

Postmodern antifoundationalists, paradoxically grounded in

relativism, dismiss knowledge as relational and " truth " as

transitory, genuine only until something more palatable replaces it

(reminiscent of William James' notion of " cash value " ).

 

The critic Jacques Derrida, for example, asserts that one can never

be sure that what one knows corresponds with what is. Since human

beings participate in only an infinitesimal part of the whole, they

are unable to grasp anything with certainty, and absolutes are

merely " fictional forms. "

 

American antifoundationalist Richard Rorty makes a similar

point: " Nothing grounds our practices, nothing

 

 

 

I WOULD HAZARD TO BELIEVE YOU ARE FALLING SOMEHERE IN HERE.

Read with carefull analysis. This is just overviews of each ones work

or research or conclusions. I have not read all their work but i sure

can grasp these postulations.

 

It has been written very thoroughly that there exists numersous

concepts of Mayavadi philosophy, in many varieties, and it is like

being administered a slow poison, small, amounts of arsenic, unseen

until __________________-boom.

 

good am and welcome to 'our world'

 

not mine, not yours " " " " our " " " hence difference, subsequently

partnership,friendship. Cooperation or division, love and hate.

 

To agree to disagree, does not fit into the puzzle. There is ONE idea

that we can jointly fit into. However, evil purports 'agreement to

disagreement', or cooperation IN difFerences, which advances their

cause. The perfect eg. is the American system of governing which

thrives to creeate equal opposites. They realize a formula of

opposites attract, yet do not remain together. But in seperation

their is advancement to support their cause, increased revenues.

Therefore they are expert at offer and compromise, agree to

diasagree. However, b/c they have the most potent army they take the

upper hand in those matters as 'king of the hill', or Queen of

Harlots.

Do you know that term?

 

How about, " a house divided cannot stand " .

 

That is why prophecy, as in Biblical, is so profound and most

powerful b/c it's conditions and circumstances must be fulfilled to

prove God.

That is why it is the perfection of all proposed philosphies.

And is roots are in personalism, not impersonalism.

 

Love is not a condition of duality when in love, Love is one when in

perfect love, ie inseperable.

Those are the teachings of the Holy Prophets.

 

But in that love, is a 'pure experience' of 'perfect peace'.

 

Therefore it is repeated " peace be within " . Nothing external can

bring peace, b/c God is within, as the 'Holy Spirit'. Inseperable

from the One Divine Spirit but equally disposed to all parts.

If disposed, then seperate, qualitatively the same but not

quantitative.

Therefore seperate, non dual, because of cooperation, not becoming

one through non-dualism but still existing in part. Hand cooperates

with the whole, by putting food into mouth, and all parts happy.

Water root and leaves happy.

 

Now Jesus says " i am the root of David, and offspring " He doesn't

say He is God, no he says 'i'm David, as in the soul, but am the

offspring, in a new form or body " . Annual plants shed there body but

return again in spring, a new body similar look.

The entire prophecy of the Bible speaks of that same David, king of

kings to return again, at a particular time and under certain

conditions, that I, God will set up and fulfill. Therefore, and

unless those arrangements, come to fruition, then the Bible, God's

Word, the Holy Prophets are all liars.

 

Conversley, if it all does happen accordingly, exactly as written,

then you have a match, or proof that the Holy Spirit is active

within each and every soul uniquely.

 

Therein proving all mayavadi, impersonalists, nihilists, secularists,

and all other ists and isms theories false.

 

Right? is that sequacious?

 

ok

 

 

remaining in Him

as friend.