Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: Namaste, Some say it doesn't matter what we eat. However does the cruelty of the slaughterhouse and the terror of the animal matter??..This is the cognitive disfunction of many on the spiritual path. Their level of awareness through purification of the vijnanamayakosa is not high enough. This ability of the human mind to filter out this bad information about death, slaughter and cruelty in favour of satisfying an eogistic desire to suage one's palate and addiction is nothing short of amazing. I don't extend this to the non spiritual seekers as they don't pretend or know to be any better...........ONS..Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> > wrote: > > Namaste, > > Some say it doesn't matter what we eat. However does the cruelty of > the slaughterhouse and the terror of the animal matter??..This is the > cognitive disfunction of many on the spiritual path. Their level of > awareness through purification of the vijnanamayakosa is not high > enough. This ability of the human mind to filter out this bad > information about death, slaughter and cruelty in favour of satisfying > an eogistic desire to suage one's palate and addiction is nothing > short > of amazing. > > I don't extend this to the non spiritual seekers as they don't pretend > or know to be any better...........ONS..Tony. > > --- End forwarded message --- > , Harsha wrote: > > *Tony, Tony, Tony. The food issue is a tough issue and we should drop > it. We all know what we know and we feel what we feel and that's how it > is. There is no point in justifying views or attacking those of others > by calling one of their koshas impure and all that because of their > diet. Ultimately it is an issue of control. We cannot control the > preferences and conditioning of others. We see the conditioning of > others through our own conditioning and we cannot even change our Namaste, Very good Harsha!!!I don't regard myself as having a completely purified vijnanamayakosa, far from it. I don't condemn people for eating meat if that is their level of understanding and they claim no Daya or compassion. I don't condemn the ordinary person or the primitives. I have just wondered what the psychological cause was of this obvious and fatal disconnect. I have finally come to the conclusion it is moved by the same conditioning as the 'True Believer Sydndrome' and 'Cognitive Dissonance'. As Zenbob pointed out Hitler suffered from it. They don't fit exactly perhaps a psychologist can give me an explanation of this amazing displacement. I would prefer not to say that spiritual meat eaters suffered from the 'Hitler Sydnrome', a condition of denial and vicarious violence. I was interested in the debate and how the Ego handles it; it is a window into the mind. As you say a food fight inevitably ends up like this for people do not want to discuss their failings or wanton desires. The ego rationalises everything away but the death agony and scream of an innocent animal..........ONS..Tony. http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AVEGETARIANandAHIMSA.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: My site; advaitajnana Namaste, I am still waiting for the debaters from the / I can't rely on my reply for I was moderated, a weak act, for upsetting the choir. It seems that's what they are, for they obviously don't want to debate me personally, but are singing to the other choir members in the congregation. This is also the ego talking in the defence of cognitive dissonance re meat eating and being on the spiritual path. I don't know whether it is the acclaim of the audience they want or to impress harsha, but it isn't to answer me. I will state again that I am only talking about self proclaimed spiritual seekers not the ordinary people or primitives. They know no better and haven't read about Ahimsa etc. THEY ARE NOT HYPOCRITES. Zenbob with his verbal non dualism, vndism, is doing a good job of mental gymnastics again, mixing his apples and oranges all up to preserve his desire to eat meat and ignore the suffering, of the animal. Lastly I have never seen a post where Ramana or any of his known devotees extolled the eating of meat or the cruelty involved. Ramana was known to protect his ashram pets from the attacks of other animals but never with violence as such. > , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> > wrote: > > Namaste, > > Some say it doesn't matter what we eat. However does the cruelty of > the slaughterhouse and the terror of the animal matter??..This is the > cognitive disfunction of many on the spiritual path. Their level of > awareness through purification of the vijnanamayakosa is not high > enough. This ability of the human mind to filter out this bad > information about death, slaughter and cruelty in favour of satisfying > an eogistic desire to suage one's palate and addiction is nothing > short > of amazing. > > I don't extend this to the non spiritual seekers as they don't pretend > or know to be any better...........ONS..Tony. > > --- End forwarded message --- > , Harsha wrote: > > *Tony, Tony, Tony. The food issue is a tough issue and we should drop > it. We all know what we know and we feel what we feel and that's how it > is. There is no point in justifying views or attacking those of others > by calling one of their koshas impure and all that because of their > diet. Ultimately it is an issue of control. We cannot control the > preferences and conditioning of others. We see the conditioning of > others through our own conditioning and we cannot even change our Namaste, Very good Harsha!!!I don't regard myself as having a completely purified vijnanamayakosa, far from it. I don't condemn people for eating meat if that is their level of understanding and they claim no Daya or compassion. I don't condemn the ordinary person or the primitives. I have just wondered what the psychological cause was of this obvious and fatal disconnect. I have finally come to the conclusion it is moved by the same conditioning as the 'True Believer Sydndrome' and 'Cognitive Dissonance'. As Zenbob pointed out Hitler suffered from it. They don't fit exactly perhaps a psychologist can give me an explanation of this amazing displacement. I would prefer not to say that spiritual meat eaters suffered from the 'Hitler Sydnrome', a condition of denial and vicarious violence. I was interested in the debate and how the Ego handles it; it is a window into the mind. As you say a food fight inevitably ends up like this for people do not want to discuss their failings or wanton desires. The ego rationalises everything away but the death agony and scream of an innocent animal..........ONS..Tony. http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AVEGETARIANandAHIMSA.htm I WAS CENSORED FOR THIS RESPONSE/ --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 ha. be quiet. Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> > wrote: > > My site; > > > advaitajnana > > Namaste, > > I am still waiting for the debaters from the > > / > > I can't rely on my reply for I was moderated, a weak act, for > upsetting the choir. It seems that's what they are, for they > obviously don't want to debate me personally, but are singing to the > other choir members in the congregation. This is also the ego > talking in the defence of cognitive dissonance re meat eating and > being on the spiritual path. I don't know whether it is the acclaim > of the audience they want or to impress harsha, but it isn't to > answer me. > > I will state again that I am only talking about self proclaimed > spiritual seekers not the ordinary people or primitives. They know > no better and haven't read about Ahimsa etc. THEY ARE NOT > HYPOCRITES. > > Zenbob with his verbal non dualism, vndism, is doing a good job of > mental gymnastics again, mixing his apples and oranges all up to > preserve his desire to eat meat and ignore the suffering, of the > animal. > > Lastly I have never seen a post where Ramana or any of his known > devotees extolled the eating of meat or the cruelty involved. Ramana > was known to protect his ashram pets from the attacks of other > animals but never with violence as such. > > > > > , " Tony OClery " > <aoclery> > > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Some say it doesn't matter what we eat. However does the cruelty > of > > the slaughterhouse and the terror of the animal matter??..This is > the > > cognitive disfunction of many on the spiritual path. Their level > of > > awareness through purification of the vijnanamayakosa is not high > > enough. This ability of the human mind to filter out this bad > > information about death, slaughter and cruelty in favour of > satisfying > > an eogistic desire to suage one's palate and addiction is nothing > > short > > of amazing. > > > > I don't extend this to the non spiritual seekers as they don't > pretend > > or know to be any better...........ONS..Tony. > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > , Harsha wrote: > > > > *Tony, Tony, Tony. The food issue is a tough issue and we should > drop > > it. We all know what we know and we feel what we feel and that's > how it > > is. There is no point in justifying views or attacking those of > others > > by calling one of their koshas impure and all that because of > their > > diet. Ultimately it is an issue of control. We cannot control the > > preferences and conditioning of others. We see the conditioning of > > others through our own conditioning and we cannot even change our > > Namaste, > > Very good Harsha!!!I don't regard myself as having a completely > purified vijnanamayakosa, far from it. I don't condemn people for > eating meat if that is their level of understanding and they claim > no Daya or compassion. I don't condemn the ordinary person or the > primitives. > > I have just wondered what the psychological cause was of this > obvious and fatal disconnect. I have finally come to the conclusion > it is moved by the same conditioning as the 'True Believer > Sydndrome' and 'Cognitive Dissonance'. As Zenbob pointed out Hitler > suffered from it. They don't fit exactly perhaps a psychologist can > give me an explanation of this amazing displacement. I would prefer > not to say that spiritual meat eaters suffered from the 'Hitler > Sydnrome', a condition of denial and vicarious violence. > > I was interested in the debate and how the Ego handles it; it is a > window into the mind. As you say a food fight inevitably ends up > like this for people do not want to discuss their failings or wanton > desires. The ego rationalises everything away but the death agony > and scream of an innocent animal..........ONS..Tony. > http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AVEGETARIANandAHIMSA.htm > > I WAS CENSORED FOR THIS RESPONSE/ > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 yes, BE QUIET! but how can a body be quiet when it has to digest all this food?!? obviously this food affair is for the one who think to be the body- mind. YOU are not the body, not the mind. so...what are you gonna have for lunch?... relax and enjoy life Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06> wrote: > > > ha. be quiet. > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > > > advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> > > wrote: > > > > My site; > > > > > > advaitajnana > > > > Namaste, > > > > I am still waiting for the debaters from the > > > > / > > > > I can't rely on my reply for I was moderated, a weak act, for > > upsetting the choir. It seems that's what they are, for they > > obviously don't want to debate me personally, but are singing to the > > other choir members in the congregation. This is also the ego > > talking in the defence of cognitive dissonance re meat eating and > > being on the spiritual path. I don't know whether it is the acclaim > > of the audience they want or to impress harsha, but it isn't to > > answer me. > > > > I will state again that I am only talking about self proclaimed > > spiritual seekers not the ordinary people or primitives. They know > > no better and haven't read about Ahimsa etc. THEY ARE NOT > > HYPOCRITES. > > > > Zenbob with his verbal non dualism, vndism, is doing a good job of > > mental gymnastics again, mixing his apples and oranges all up to > > preserve his desire to eat meat and ignore the suffering, of the > > animal. > > > > Lastly I have never seen a post where Ramana or any of his known > > devotees extolled the eating of meat or the cruelty involved. Ramana > > was known to protect his ashram pets from the attacks of other > > animals but never with violence as such. > > > > > > > > > , " Tony OClery " > > <aoclery> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Some say it doesn't matter what we eat. However does the cruelty > > of > > > the slaughterhouse and the terror of the animal matter??..This is > > the > > > cognitive disfunction of many on the spiritual path. Their level > > of > > > awareness through purification of the vijnanamayakosa is not high > > > enough. This ability of the human mind to filter out this bad > > > information about death, slaughter and cruelty in favour of > > satisfying > > > an eogistic desire to suage one's palate and addiction is nothing > > > short > > > of amazing. > > > > > > I don't extend this to the non spiritual seekers as they don't > > pretend > > > or know to be any better...........ONS..Tony. > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > , Harsha wrote: > > > > > > *Tony, Tony, Tony. The food issue is a tough issue and we should > > drop > > > it. We all know what we know and we feel what we feel and that's > > how it > > > is. There is no point in justifying views or attacking those of > > others > > > by calling one of their koshas impure and all that because of > > their > > > diet. Ultimately it is an issue of control. We cannot control the > > > preferences and conditioning of others. We see the conditioning of > > > others through our own conditioning and we cannot even change our > > > > Namaste, > > > > Very good Harsha!!!I don't regard myself as having a completely > > purified vijnanamayakosa, far from it. I don't condemn people for > > eating meat if that is their level of understanding and they claim > > no Daya or compassion. I don't condemn the ordinary person or the > > primitives. > > > > I have just wondered what the psychological cause was of this > > obvious and fatal disconnect. I have finally come to the conclusion > > it is moved by the same conditioning as the 'True Believer > > Sydndrome' and 'Cognitive Dissonance'. As Zenbob pointed out Hitler > > suffered from it. They don't fit exactly perhaps a psychologist can > > give me an explanation of this amazing displacement. I would prefer > > not to say that spiritual meat eaters suffered from the 'Hitler > > Sydnrome', a condition of denial and vicarious violence. > > > > I was interested in the debate and how the Ego handles it; it is a > > window into the mind. As you say a food fight inevitably ends up > > like this for people do not want to discuss their failings or wanton > > desires. The ego rationalises everything away but the death agony > > and scream of an innocent animal..........ONS..Tony. > > http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AVEGETARIANandAHIMSA.htm > > > > I WAS CENSORED FOR THIS RESPONSE/ > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.