crazy man out of the blue.!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

wrote:

>

> advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

> wrote:

>

> My site;

>

>

> advaitajnana

>

> Namaste,

>

> I am still waiting for the debaters from the

>

> /

>

> I can't rely on my reply for I was moderated, a weak act, for

> upsetting the choir. It seems that's what they are, for they

> obviously don't want to debate me personally, but are singing to

the

> other choir members in the congregation. This is also the ego

> talking in the defence of cognitive dissonance re meat eating and

> being on the spiritual path. I don't know whether it is the acclaim

> of the audience they want or to impress harsha, but it isn't to

> answer me.

>

> I will state again that I am only talking about self proclaimed

> spiritual seekers not the ordinary people or primitives. They know

> no better and haven't read about Ahimsa etc. THEY ARE NOT

> HYPOCRITES.

>

> Zenbob with his verbal non dualism, vndism, is doing a good job of

> mental gymnastics again, mixing his apples and oranges all up to

> preserve his desire to eat meat and ignore the suffering, of the

> animal.

>

> Lastly I have never seen a post where Ramana or any of his known

> devotees extolled the eating of meat or the cruelty involved.

Ramana

> was known to protect his ashram pets from the attacks of other

> animals but never with violence as such.

>

>

>

> > , " Tony OClery "

> <aoclery>

> > wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Some say it doesn't matter what we eat. However does the cruelty

> of

> > the slaughterhouse and the terror of the animal matter??..This is

> the

> > cognitive disfunction of many on the spiritual path. Their level

> of

> > awareness through purification of the vijnanamayakosa is not high

> > enough. This ability of the human mind to filter out this bad

> > information about death, slaughter and cruelty in favour of

> satisfying

> > an eogistic desire to suage one's palate and addiction is nothing

> > short

> > of amazing.

> >

> > I don't extend this to the non spiritual seekers as they don't

> pretend

> > or know to be any better...........ONS..Tony.

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

> , Harsha wrote:

> >

> > *Tony, Tony, Tony. The food issue is a tough issue and we should

> drop

> > it. We all know what we know and we feel what we feel and that's

> how it

> > is. There is no point in justifying views or attacking those of

> others

> > by calling one of their koshas impure and all that because of

> their

> > diet. Ultimately it is an issue of control. We cannot control the

> > preferences and conditioning of others. We see the conditioning

of

> > others through our own conditioning and we cannot even change our

>

> Namaste,

>

> Very good Harsha!!!I don't regard myself as having a completely

> purified vijnanamayakosa, far from it. I don't condemn people for

> eating meat if that is their level of understanding and they claim

> no Daya or compassion. I don't condemn the ordinary person or the

> primitives.

>

> I have just wondered what the psychological cause was of this

> obvious and fatal disconnect. I have finally come to the conclusion

> it is moved by the same conditioning as the 'True Believer

> Sydndrome' and 'Cognitive Dissonance'. As Zenbob pointed out Hitler

> suffered from it. They don't fit exactly perhaps a psychologist can

> give me an explanation of this amazing displacement. I would prefer

> not to say that spiritual meat eaters suffered from the 'Hitler

> Sydnrome', a condition of denial and vicarious violence.

>

> I was interested in the debate and how the Ego handles it; it is a

> window into the mind. As you say a food fight inevitably ends up

> like this for people do not want to discuss their failings or

wanton

> desires. The ego rationalises everything away but the death agony

> and scream of an innocent animal..........ONS..Tony.

> http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AVEGETARIANandAHIMSA.htm

>

> I WAS CENSORED FOR THIS RESPONSE/

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

 

 

are you ok brother, ?

have some more prasada, lol