Understanding 'yourself' ! - * OR NOT

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

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> In a message dated 11/27/2005 10:47:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> dear friend

>

> i am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami. H H Shri Datta

Swami is

> preaching divine knowledge to unify all the world religions by

comparing their

> respective scriptures.

>

>

> A pretty cool idea. It's my opinion that this can never occur,

though, for

> two reasons.

>

> Most folks actually seek exclusivity in their beliefs. They prefer

to see

> themselves as a member of a group in sole possession of the Truth.

>

> Also, different levels of teachings exist for a reason. A given

level of

> awareness, with it's own ego dynamics to explore, is drawn to a

particular

> belief system in order to explore those limitations. For example,

if one is

> experiencing great struggle, Buddhism, which focusses on the ending

of suffering,

> will seem to be the perfect system. If one is exploring their own

judgment,

> most of Christianity, which focusses on forgiveness will be

useful. Gnosticism,

> which focusses on Truth being found within, is attractive to those

who

> believe that Truth is found within the human mind, and so on.

>

> Each belief system contains, within itself, the seeds of it's own

> destruction, or what is experienced as transcendence. When on

learns the disciplines

> that lead to tolerance and equanimity, Buddhism is no longer

attractive for

> most. Once one learns to not judge, forgiveness is no longer

required, and

> Christianity is usually abandoned. Once it's realized that Truth

isn't to be found

> in the analysis of sacred texts, Gnosticism is either abandoned or

one seeks

> Truth through intuition. In either case, the belief system is no

longer

> needed.

>

> Everything has a purpose in the perfection, including what the

Swami is

> doing. It may not, however, be what he thinks it is.

>

> Phil

>

i notice you forgot to include doll worshippers or hindhuism

 

those who are seeking something to do all day long, dress and undress

dolls and offer food to wooden statues that are supposed to help

remind them of God, but they waste their time because there is no

life in them. Ultimately they become stone cold like the wooden

statues after many years, and loose all sense of life and love of God.

Others get all absorbed in vain repettition of so called names of

God, or dolls names allday long and they become possessed or

brainwashed and fall out of simple, clear practical understanding of

Gods will.

 

In any case both methods are unnecessary and will not render one his

desired result. God says in by the Holy Prophets that these methods

which were common all throughout the area cannot save you.

 

Others search out the self by negating all there is and finally

ending up committing 'spriritual suicide', belieiving either God is

nothing or they have become that God.

 

 

Phil this expression you made of man made christianity has nothing to

do with the teachings of Jesus nor the Prophets, ie God. you said "

once one learns not to judge then forgiveness is not longer needed

and christianity is abandoned. " Where do you get that? And what

exactly does it mean?

 

anyways that's it here

 

a friend in Him.

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Divine Message of His holiness Shri Data Swami

Idol Worship

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The statue or photo is the inert object. The form carved in a stone or painted

on a paper is also an imaginary form and not even a direct photo. The statues

and photos are only models representing the concept, which is knowledge. The

form of statues and photos is mainly human form, which represents the concept

that the Lord always comes to this world in human form as said in Gita

(Manusheem Tanu Masritam).

 

Please remember that Gita did not tell that the Lord would come in any other

form. The forms of fish, tortoise etc., were only temporarily to kill the

demons and nobody worshipped such forms during their time. But Rama, Krishna

etc were the human forms worshipped by several devotees like Hanuman and

Gopikas. The Lord will come in every human generation; otherwise, He becomes

partial to a particular generation. If necessary the Lord can come whenever

there is necessity as said in Gita (Yedaa yedaahi).

 

Once this concept is realized, there is no need of temple and statue for you.

You should go from school to college and then to university. This does not mean

that when you leave the school, the school should be destroyed. The school must

exist for the future batches. Therefore for you, the statue and the photo are

not necessary and this does not mean that the statues, photos and temples should

be broken. They should be protected and must be respected as the models of

divine knowledge for the future ignorant devotees. Some devotees cannot accept

the human form, which is before their eyes as said in Veda (Pratyaksha dvishah).

 

For such devotees the statues and photos are necessary for meditation since

they are at the school level. The statues and photos are useful for the

meditation of such limited minds as said in Sastra (Pratima svalpa buddhinam).

Veda says that the Lord does not exist in the inert objects (Natasya pratima,

Nedamtat), but says that the inert objects can stand as models representing the

Lord (Adityam brahmeti).

 

Therefore seeing and meditation upon the statues and photos are correct in

the case of the ignorant devotees. But the other rituals like offering food,

burning camphor, fume sticks, oil lamps and breaking coconuts, offering flowers

etc. are not mentioned in Vedas and there are unnecessary and are causing the

air pollution harming the humanity. All these unnecessary rituals should be

avoided.

 

Offering food should also be done to the human form of the Lord only but not

to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cooking and offering of the food. Gita

says that such Ijya should not be done to the inert objects. In the name of the

statues, people are stealing the food and money. The statue and photo is not

taking the food or Gurudakshina. The people behind the statue are taking those

things and most of them are either cheating or wasting the money with ignorance.

Whatever the Gurudakshina is given should go only to the priest and not the

managing devotees. The business of the merchants by selling such materials in

the temples should be stopped, because such materials are not even heard in

Veda. Of course, the priest should be a Satguru and preach the divine knowledge

to the devotees and the devotees should give Gurudakshina to such Satguru only.

Thus, the temple should become a center of learning selfless devotion and divine

knowledge and the priest must do only ‘Janna

Eagan’ in the temple and not the ‘dravya Eagan’ as said in the Gila (Sreyaan

dravyamayat).

 

Gita condemned such Ijya before inert objects because such Ijya is only

cheating and business. Such a devotee will be born as inert object (Bhutejya

yanti). This business is connected to removal of the fruits of sins and getting

the fruits of good deeds, which are not done.

 

All this is false, because the theory of ‘karma’ says that one has to suffer

for all his bad deeds and can never get the result of any good deed without

doing it (Avasyamanubhoktavyam…kalpakotisatairapi). The spiritual path should be

preached in the temple, which must be ‘nishkama karma yoga’ i.e., sacrifice of

work and sacrifice of fruit (money) of the work to the Lord without aspiring any

fruit in return. Remember, that only the Ijya is condemned and not the temples

or statues, which are the models of the divine knowledge.

 

posted by His servant

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

whitehorserides <green1911 wrote:

i notice you forgot to include doll worshippers or hindhuism

 

those who are seeking something to do all day long, dress and undress dolls and

offer food to wooden statues that are supposed to help remind them of God, but

they waste their time because there is no

life in them. Ultimately they become stone cold like the wooden statues after

many years, and loose all sense of life and love of God.

 

Others get all absorbed in vain repettition of so called names of God, or dolls

names allday long and they become possessed or brainwashed and fall out of

simple, clear practical understanding of Gods will.

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 11/28/2005 2:11:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Phil this expression you made of man made christianity has nothing to

do with the teachings of Jesus nor the Prophets, ie God. you said "

once one learns not to judge then forgiveness is not longer needed

and christianity is abandoned. " Where do you get that? And what

exactly does it mean?

 

anyways that's it here

" whitehorserides "

a friend in Him.

 

 

 

It's my perception that the primary teachings of Christ focussed on

forgiveness. This is understandable when we realize the relatively crude level

of

spiritual awareness at the time of Christ. Very few could actualize the concept

of acceptance (Not judging others to be bad or wrong in the first place) and

so forgiveness was a realistic focus.

 

Still, the majority of the world can't achieve a workable level of

acceptance, and so Christianity is still a popular belief system.

 

If one does not judge his brother, why would there be a need to forgive? The

concept becomes meaningless.

 

Phil