You can not know the Absolute ___YES,,, PERSONALLY.!

November 28, 2005

The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism, non-

dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is the most

precious.

love

-- In Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06>

> wrote:

> >

> > human and jnani are not shared identities. where light is,

darkness

> is not. why talk about

> > the non-existing darkness in a brightly lit room? knowing and

being

> are not the same. why

> > concern yourself with an absolute identity which does not know

> itself? the absolute has no

> > need to know itself.

>

> ramana,

>

> _______and what?. Something learned by turning the light switch on

or

> off.

> i would agree if the the light bulb where your analogy, which is to

> say 'has know mind or active living principal ie soul.'

>

> However the Absolute is just that " " " Manifest Absolute " " " and in

full

> awareness of all things. Just like you can recognize when someone

> touches your leg or arm. He may not be directly touching your mind,

> or spirit, but you're still are aware. Therefore abolutely aware

in

> the body you are in. So you can discern the mind is not the body.

>

> Now somehow you have said the 'absolute does not know itself',

that's

> like saying you don't know who you are, quite a foolish premise. It

> is valid for explaining that you are not the name or body, but it

> stops there.( notice how you give no heed to the Absolute, your

> absolute shows no humility to " Supreme Absolute " .)

>

> There is an active principal, called spirit, that is deducting

these

> ideas or concepts, yes or no? The mind does not deduce, it's the

> intelligence that operates in an awakened state to deduce. When you

> are sleeping, you are essentially in darkness b/c the intelligence

> has taken rest. However, you are still present in a quiet state,

you

> have not disappeared. your feelings as well are present to the

touch

> but your emotions are quiet.

>

> You are correct in saying the Absolute has no need, but the

Absolute

> has allready come and committed to the active ' manifested'

> principal. That is expanded into little souls. Why? you may ask?

Then

> enter into conversation with Him, that is good, and can be a good

> beginning to prayer, and awakening that inner self to recognize

that

> an 'eternal loving relationship' exists.

>

> You cannot deny that happiness, or sadness or pain and pleasure is

> coming. Therefore who is sending it, is the Good Question?

> Since by observance you can see that there is a provision for all

> living things, then you must conclude provider. Who is provding,

> what, how, why?

> These are questions that phd scientist are trying to prove with all

> their space flights looking for the smoking gun for the source of

> life or other like places wherein is life. But they struggle b/c

> their efforts are in vain. They have not faith and trust in the

Holy

> Spirit or God who manifests Himself in His own sons who are sent

sons.

>

> As is written and confirmed over and over, Jeremmiah repeated " I,

> God, have sent you my sons rising early, which implies, lighted,

but

> you don't listen to them, preferring your own whims of living, this

> is dualism, hence you leave me no choice but to cast you into

> deserts " .

>

> Perhaps you might not understand and inquire further as to what is

> said, i'm not too sure you are hearing.

>

> i shall now post comments below, in addition.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 11/27/2005 10:47:34 AM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > Q: I want direct experience of the Ultimate.

> > >

> > > Maharaj: The Absolute cannot be experienced. It is not an

> objective affair.

> > > When I am

> > > unicity then that is pure awareness which is not aware of its

> awareness, and

> > > there can be no subject and object - therefore there can be no

> witnessing.

> > > Any manifestation, and functioning,

> > > any witnessing, can only take

> > > place in duality. There has to

> > > be a subject and an object, they are two, but they are not

two,

> > > they are two ends of the same thing.

> > >

> > > When consciousness stirs, duality

> > > arises. There are millions of objects, but each object, when

> > > it sees another, assumes the subjectivity of the Absolute,

> although it is an

> > > object. I, as

> > > an object, perceive and interpret all the other objects, and I

> assume that I

> > > am the subject, and the witnessing takes place.

>

> _____________maharaja's expression is a rehearsed practice from the

> mayavadi philosophy of impersonalism. This is not knew, for the

> Indian history. One of there most prominent exponents of this, was

> Sankaracharya, approximately 550 AD.

>

> When 'conciousness stirs', like waking up in the morning from sleep

> yes there is awarenss, but duality is only when one is not

realized.

> If one dwells in the manifestation of the carnal or physical world

> then there is duality.

> However, for one who's sleep is even kept in the Lords arms is not

in

> duality, while in sleep, is in God, b/c God is taking care of the

> little manifested 'absolutes'.

>

> This is the neophyte stage of awareness, but one must start

somehere.

>

> > >

> > > Q: Why does consciousness stir? What is the cause?

> > >

> > > M: With any cause, spontaneously, it happens; there is no

> reason. That

> > > consciousness is universal - there is no individuality. But

when

> the consciousness

> > > stirs in a particular form which has also arisen

spontaneously,

> and start

> > > functioning in that form, that form assumes that it is an

> individual and what

> > > is unlimited limits itself to a particular form and the

trouble

> starts.

>

> ___________ok maharaja, this is like i said above, misidentyfying

> with improper understanding carnal body and it's shortcomings,

> instead of the true nature of self, _______ok.

>

> > > Let us say that someone has become a jnani, but what was it to

> begin with?

> > > It was that sour, bitter, principle, that secretion because of

> which the

> > > consciousness has taken place. That very principle, the

> knowledge " I " Am, " has

> > > developed, grown, and become sweet; it matures and becomes the

> manifest jnani

> > > state; but what is that; It is the product of the five

elemental

> food essence.

> > > When that goes, what remains?

> > > The Absolute which does not know itself.

>

> _______This gets a little abstract or strange. Are these words from

> maharaja? If so, they might be common to the ear of disciples,if

> there are such here, but not clear in presentation.

> It appears to cover the topic of the carnal physical body and it's

> temporary period which the soul occupies.

> A jnani as mentioned here is just one stage in the developmental

> process of the perfection of the Self. Jnani is not the goal, but

can

> be very intoxicationg, i have met many who try to explain away God.

> And most are nihilists, somewhat sounding like maharaja here. It's

> another trap for being subtly toxic with mental masterbation,

> thinking ____'I know the Absolute', and He is not this, not that.

>

> Beware of God that is not and Has not, for it is clearly the

> foundation for 'spiritual suicide. " Certainly some extremists who

> have this view can even blow themselves up, being convinced that

> there body is nothing but a walking bomb, and useful for God in

that

> sense. _____________this is risky business.

>

> Now eastern guru's or swami's are bringing all kinds of variations

of

> existential nihiism, and impressing upon a very somber generation

of

> people who are raised in socialistic frameworks. This too is

clearly

> defined by the Holy Prophets, as the 'not God', or imaginary God

> conspirators who are adept at conjuring up theories, and using

word

> gymnastics, for personal adoration or gain.

>

> summary answer

>

> The word 'absolute' dimishes the character of God and does not

> address Him, nor dress Him, but undresses. Hence it is used by

> nihilists frequently, in their deliberation and conclusion of being

> absorbed into the 'absolute' or 'one without qualities'.

>

> That is why the prophetic 'Word of God' will lay to rest once and

> for all, all these foolish attempts by men to put forth less than

> productive ideas of God. God is love, Supreme Soul, and the source

of

> the family of 'little souls' that can share in the intimacy of

that

> love through service, and be rid of duality of identifying with the

> manifested as opposed to the Supreme Manifest.

>

> > >

> > > Groovy stuff.

> > > I've been noticing lately, lots of folks who seem to want to

self

> destruct

> > > as a human perceptive mechanism, not just here but elsewhere.

> Possibly, this is

> > > what Whitehorse is galloping on about.

> > >

> > > It can be noticed that what we truly are, pure, subjective

> awareness, has no

> > > means of perceiving itself. This is the functioning of

> consciousness; to

> > > obtain the ability to be conscious of the Self. Therefore, the

> goal is not to

> > > cease consciousness, or to cease to exist as a human mechanism.

> > >

> > > The enlightened will talk about being oneness and the totality

> of

> > > consciousness, and will declare the human as a mechanism of

> nature, and there is no

> > > real involvement with this mechanism. This is all true, but the

> only way that

> > > it's known that one is that, is through the perceptive

mechanism

> of

> > > consciousness that it is known does not exist. This is what

> allows for the experience of

> > > Self. Without that experience, there is nothing going on at

all.

> When there

> > > is no longer any mechanism to create experience, there is no

> more experience.

>

> _______again here sounding like the trap of nothingness.

>

> > > That apparently individual experiential perspective dissolves

> back into

> > > consciousness from which it arose. One is then consciousness

> experiencing itself

> > > through all the other vehicles of perception, originating

within

> the Self.

> > >

> > > Annihilation of the individual self will occur soon enough, and

> repeatedly.

>

> _______Your words are counterproductive when they overlap here

phil.

> perhaps you understand your self, but it is confusing for the

reader.

> > What we're looking for is the experience of Self while ego

> remains as a part

> > > of consciousness. Fortunately, the ego isn't going to

> disappear. 'You' are the

> > > one 'moving'. Ego remains.

>

> > >Phil

>

> ________Again this is rather ambigious, considering what has been

> said above by maharaj.

>

> cheers

>

> all glories to Our perfect Father and his loving kindness.

>

> your eternal friend and confidant, in Him.

>

> the whitehorse rider

>

> > >

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

>

nothing could ever appear to happen.....if there were not

this " absolute " behind, inside....means, the source of all

so it is not so much interesting what appear to happen.....but by

which source it appear to happen....

if this source is known....then.....it also appear that nothing

ever ....realy ......happen.....

Regards and peace

Marc

> The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism, non-

> dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is the most

> precious.

> love

>

> -- In Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > human and jnani are not shared identities. where light is,

> darkness

> > is not. why talk about

> > > the non-existing darkness in a brightly lit room? knowing and

> being

> > are not the same. why

> > > concern yourself with an absolute identity which does not know

> > itself? the absolute has no

> > > need to know itself.

> >

> > ramana,

> >

> > _______and what?. Something learned by turning the light switch

on

> or

> > off.

> > i would agree if the the light bulb where your analogy, which is

to

> > say 'has know mind or active living principal ie soul.'

> >

> > However the Absolute is just that " " " Manifest Absolute " " " and in

> full

> > awareness of all things. Just like you can recognize when someone

> > touches your leg or arm. He may not be directly touching your

mind,

> > or spirit, but you're still are aware. Therefore abolutely aware

> in

> > the body you are in. So you can discern the mind is not the body.

> >

> > Now somehow you have said the 'absolute does not know itself',

> that's

> > like saying you don't know who you are, quite a foolish premise.

It

> > is valid for explaining that you are not the name or body, but it

> > stops there.( notice how you give no heed to the Absolute, your

> > absolute shows no humility to " Supreme Absolute " .)

> >

> > There is an active principal, called spirit, that is deducting

> these

> > ideas or concepts, yes or no? The mind does not deduce, it's the

> > intelligence that operates in an awakened state to deduce. When

you

> > are sleeping, you are essentially in darkness b/c the

intelligence

> > has taken rest. However, you are still present in a quiet state,

> you

> > have not disappeared. your feelings as well are present to the

> touch

> > but your emotions are quiet.

> >

> > You are correct in saying the Absolute has no need, but the

> Absolute

> > has allready come and committed to the active ' manifested'

> > principal. That is expanded into little souls. Why? you may ask?

> Then

> > enter into conversation with Him, that is good, and can be a good

> > beginning to prayer, and awakening that inner self to recognize

> that

> > an 'eternal loving relationship' exists.

> >

> > You cannot deny that happiness, or sadness or pain and pleasure

is

> > coming. Therefore who is sending it, is the Good Question?

> > Since by observance you can see that there is a provision for all

> > living things, then you must conclude provider. Who is provding,

> > what, how, why?

> > These are questions that phd scientist are trying to prove with

all

> > their space flights looking for the smoking gun for the source

of

> > life or other like places wherein is life. But they struggle b/c

> > their efforts are in vain. They have not faith and trust in the

> Holy

> > Spirit or God who manifests Himself in His own sons who are sent

> sons.

> >

> > As is written and confirmed over and over, Jeremmiah repeated "

I,

> > God, have sent you my sons rising early, which implies, lighted,

> but

> > you don't listen to them, preferring your own whims of living,

this

> > is dualism, hence you leave me no choice but to cast you into

> > deserts " .

> >

> > Perhaps you might not understand and inquire further as to what

is

> > said, i'm not too sure you are hearing.

> >

> > i shall now post comments below, in addition.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 11/27/2005 10:47:34 AM Pacific Standard

> Time,

> > > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > > >

> > > > Q: I want direct experience of the Ultimate.

> > > >

> > > > Maharaj: The Absolute cannot be experienced. It is not an

> > objective affair.

> > > > When I am

> > > > unicity then that is pure awareness which is not aware of

its

> > awareness, and

> > > > there can be no subject and object - therefore there can be

no

> > witnessing.

> > > > Any manifestation, and functioning,

> > > > any witnessing, can only take

> > > > place in duality. There has to

> > > > be a subject and an object, they are two, but they are not

> two,

> > > > they are two ends of the same thing.

> > > >

> > > > When consciousness stirs, duality

> > > > arises. There are millions of objects, but each object,

when

> > > > it sees another, assumes the subjectivity of the Absolute,

> > although it is an

> > > > object. I, as

> > > > an object, perceive and interpret all the other objects, and

I

> > assume that I

> > > > am the subject, and the witnessing takes place.

> >

> > _____________maharaja's expression is a rehearsed practice from

the

> > mayavadi philosophy of impersonalism. This is not knew, for the

> > Indian history. One of there most prominent exponents of this,

was

> > Sankaracharya, approximately 550 AD.

> >

> > When 'conciousness stirs', like waking up in the morning from

sleep

> > yes there is awarenss, but duality is only when one is not

> realized.

> > If one dwells in the manifestation of the carnal or physical

world

> > then there is duality.

> > However, for one who's sleep is even kept in the Lords arms is

not

> in

> > duality, while in sleep, is in God, b/c God is taking care of the

> > little manifested 'absolutes'.

> >

> > This is the neophyte stage of awareness, but one must start

> somehere.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Q: Why does consciousness stir? What is the cause?

> > > >

> > > > M: With any cause, spontaneously, it happens; there is no

> > reason. That

> > > > consciousness is universal - there is no individuality. But

> when

> > the consciousness

> > > > stirs in a particular form which has also arisen

> spontaneously,

> > and start

> > > > functioning in that form, that form assumes that it is an

> > individual and what

> > > > is unlimited limits itself to a particular form and the

> trouble

> > starts.

> >

> > ___________ok maharaja, this is like i said above,

misidentyfying

> > with improper understanding carnal body and it's shortcomings,

> > instead of the true nature of self, _______ok.

> >

> > > > Let us say that someone has become a jnani, but what was it

to

> > begin with?

> > > > It was that sour, bitter, principle, that secretion because

of

> > which the

> > > > consciousness has taken place. That very principle, the

> > knowledge " I " Am, " has

> > > > developed, grown, and become sweet; it matures and becomes

the

> > manifest jnani

> > > > state; but what is that; It is the product of the five

> elemental

> > food essence.

> > > > When that goes, what remains?

> > > > The Absolute which does not know itself.

> >

> > _______This gets a little abstract or strange. Are these words

from

> > maharaja? If so, they might be common to the ear of disciples,if

> > there are such here, but not clear in presentation.

> > It appears to cover the topic of the carnal physical body and

it's

> > temporary period which the soul occupies.

> > A jnani as mentioned here is just one stage in the developmental

> > process of the perfection of the Self. Jnani is not the goal, but

> can

> > be very intoxicationg, i have met many who try to explain away

God.

> > And most are nihilists, somewhat sounding like maharaja here.

It's

> > another trap for being subtly toxic with mental masterbation,

> > thinking ____'I know the Absolute', and He is not this, not that.

> >

> > Beware of God that is not and Has not, for it is clearly the

> > foundation for 'spiritual suicide. " Certainly some extremists who

> > have this view can even blow themselves up, being convinced that

> > there body is nothing but a walking bomb, and useful for God in

> that

> > sense. _____________this is risky business.

> >

> > Now eastern guru's or swami's are bringing all kinds of

variations

> of

> > existential nihiism, and impressing upon a very somber generation

> of

> > people who are raised in socialistic frameworks. This too is

> clearly

> > defined by the Holy Prophets, as the 'not God', or imaginary God

> > conspirators who are adept at conjuring up theories, and using

> word

> > gymnastics, for personal adoration or gain.

> >

> > summary answer

> >

> > The word 'absolute' dimishes the character of God and does not

> > address Him, nor dress Him, but undresses. Hence it is used by

> > nihilists frequently, in their deliberation and conclusion of

being

> > absorbed into the 'absolute' or 'one without qualities'.

> >

> > That is why the prophetic 'Word of God' will lay to rest once

and

> > for all, all these foolish attempts by men to put forth less than

> > productive ideas of God. God is love, Supreme Soul, and the

source

> of

> > the family of 'little souls' that can share in the intimacy of

> that

> > love through service, and be rid of duality of identifying with

the

> > manifested as opposed to the Supreme Manifest.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Groovy stuff.

> > > > I've been noticing lately, lots of folks who seem to want to

> self

> > destruct

> > > > as a human perceptive mechanism, not just here but elsewhere.

> > Possibly, this is

> > > > what Whitehorse is galloping on about.

> > > >

> > > > It can be noticed that what we truly are, pure, subjective

> > awareness, has no

> > > > means of perceiving itself. This is the functioning of

> > consciousness; to

> > > > obtain the ability to be conscious of the Self. Therefore,

the

> > goal is not to

> > > > cease consciousness, or to cease to exist as a human

mechanism.

> > > >

> > > > The enlightened will talk about being oneness and the

totality

> > of

> > > > consciousness, and will declare the human as a mechanism of

> > nature, and there is no

> > > > real involvement with this mechanism. This is all true, but

the

> > only way that

> > > > it's known that one is that, is through the perceptive

> mechanism

> > of

> > > > consciousness that it is known does not exist. This is what

> > allows for the experience of

> > > > Self. Without that experience, there is nothing going on at

> all.

> > When there

> > > > is no longer any mechanism to create experience, there is no

> > more experience.

> >

> > _______again here sounding like the trap of nothingness.

> >

> > > > That apparently individual experiential perspective

dissolves

> > back into

> > > > consciousness from which it arose. One is then consciousness

> > experiencing itself

> > > > through all the other vehicles of perception, originating

> within

> > the Self.

> > > >

> > > > Annihilation of the individual self will occur soon enough,

and

> > repeatedly.

> >

> > _______Your words are counterproductive when they overlap here

> phil.

> > perhaps you understand your self, but it is confusing for the

> reader.

> >

> > > > What we're looking for is the experience of Self while ego

> > remains as a part

> > > > of consciousness. Fortunately, the ego isn't going to

> > disappear. 'You' are the

> > > > one 'moving'. Ego remains.

> >

> > > >Phil

> >

> > ________Again this is rather ambigious, considering what has been

> > said above by maharaj.

> >

> > cheers

> >

> > all glories to Our perfect Father and his loving kindness.

> >

> > your eternal friend and confidant, in Him.

> >

> > the whitehorse rider

> >

> > > >

November 28, 2005

BOOM!

thank you

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> nothing could ever appear to happen.....if there were not

> this " absolute " behind, inside....means, the source of all

>

> so it is not so much interesting what appear to happen.....but by

> which source it appear to happen....

>

> if this source is known....then.....it also appear that nothing

> ever ....realy ......happen.....

>

> Regards and peace

>

> Marc

>

> > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism, non-

> > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is the most

> > precious.

> > love

> >

> > -- In Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 "

> <ramanama06>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > human and jnani are not shared identities. where light is,

> > darkness

> > > is not. why talk about

> > > > the non-existing darkness in a brightly lit room? knowing and

> > being

> > > are not the same. why

> > > > concern yourself with an absolute identity which does not

know

> > > itself? the absolute has no

> > > > need to know itself.

> > >

> > > ramana,

> > >

> > > _______and what?. Something learned by turning the light switch

> on

> > or

> > > off.

> > > i would agree if the the light bulb where your analogy, which

is

> to

> > > say 'has know mind or active living principal ie soul.'

> > >

> > > However the Absolute is just that " " " Manifest Absolute " " " and

in

> > full

> > > awareness of all things. Just like you can recognize when

someone

> > > touches your leg or arm. He may not be directly touching your

> mind,

> > > or spirit, but you're still are aware. Therefore abolutely

aware

> > in

> > > the body you are in. So you can discern the mind is not the

body.

> > >

> > > Now somehow you have said the 'absolute does not know itself',

> > that's

> > > like saying you don't know who you are, quite a foolish

premise.

> It

> > > is valid for explaining that you are not the name or body, but

it

> > > stops there.( notice how you give no heed to the Absolute,

your

> > > absolute shows no humility to " Supreme Absolute " .)

> > >

> > > There is an active principal, called spirit, that is deducting

> > these

> > > ideas or concepts, yes or no? The mind does not deduce, it's

the

> > > intelligence that operates in an awakened state to deduce. When

> you

> > > are sleeping, you are essentially in darkness b/c the

> intelligence

> > > has taken rest. However, you are still present in a quiet

state,

> > you

> > > have not disappeared. your feelings as well are present to the

> > touch

> > > but your emotions are quiet.

> > >

> > > You are correct in saying the Absolute has no need, but the

> > Absolute

> > > has allready come and committed to the active ' manifested'

> > > principal. That is expanded into little souls. Why? you may

ask?

> > Then

> > > enter into conversation with Him, that is good, and can be a

good

> > > beginning to prayer, and awakening that inner self to recognize

> > that

> > > an 'eternal loving relationship' exists.

> > >

> > > You cannot deny that happiness, or sadness or pain and pleasure

> is

> > > coming. Therefore who is sending it, is the Good Question?

> > > Since by observance you can see that there is a provision for

all

> > > living things, then you must conclude provider. Who is

provding,

> > > what, how, why?

> > > These are questions that phd scientist are trying to prove with

> all

> > > their space flights looking for the smoking gun for the

source

> of

> > > life or other like places wherein is life. But they struggle

b/c

> > > their efforts are in vain. They have not faith and trust in the

> > Holy

> > > Spirit or God who manifests Himself in His own sons who are

sent

> > sons.

> > >

> > > As is written and confirmed over and over, Jeremmiah

repeated "

> I,

> > > God, have sent you my sons rising early, which implies,

lighted,

> > but

> > > you don't listen to them, preferring your own whims of living,

> this

> > > is dualism, hence you leave me no choice but to cast you into

> > > deserts " .

> > >

> > > Perhaps you might not understand and inquire further as to

what

> is

> > > said, i'm not too sure you are hearing.

> > >

> > > i shall now post comments below, in addition.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 11/27/2005 10:47:34 AM Pacific Standard

> > Time,

> > > > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > Q: I want direct experience of the Ultimate.

> > > > >

> > > > > Maharaj: The Absolute cannot be experienced. It is not an

> > > objective affair.

> > > > > When I am

> > > > > unicity then that is pure awareness which is not aware of

> its

> > > awareness, and

> > > > > there can be no subject and object - therefore there can

be

> no

> > > witnessing.

> > > > > Any manifestation, and functioning,

> > > > > any witnessing, can only take

> > > > > place in duality. There has to

> > > > > be a subject and an object, they are two, but they are not

> > two,

> > > > > they are two ends of the same thing.

> > > > >

> > > > > When consciousness stirs, duality

> > > > > arises. There are millions of objects, but each object,

> when

> > > > > it sees another, assumes the subjectivity of the Absolute,

> > > although it is an

> > > > > object. I, as

> > > > > an object, perceive and interpret all the other objects,

and

> I

> > > assume that I

> > > > > am the subject, and the witnessing takes place.

> > >

> > > _____________maharaja's expression is a rehearsed practice from

> the

> > > mayavadi philosophy of impersonalism. This is not knew, for the

> > > Indian history. One of there most prominent exponents of this,

> was

> > > Sankaracharya, approximately 550 AD.

> > >

> > > When 'conciousness stirs', like waking up in the morning from

> sleep

> > > yes there is awarenss, but duality is only when one is not

> > realized.

> > > If one dwells in the manifestation of the carnal or physical

> world

> > > then there is duality.

> > > However, for one who's sleep is even kept in the Lords arms is

> not

> > in

> > > duality, while in sleep, is in God, b/c God is taking care of

the

> > > little manifested 'absolutes'.

> > >

> > > This is the neophyte stage of awareness, but one must start

> > somehere.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Q: Why does consciousness stir? What is the cause?

> > > > >

> > > > > M: With any cause, spontaneously, it happens; there is no

> > > reason. That

> > > > > consciousness is universal - there is no individuality.

But

> > when

> > > the consciousness

> > > > > stirs in a particular form which has also arisen

> > spontaneously,

> > > and start

> > > > > functioning in that form, that form assumes that it is an

> > > individual and what

> > > > > is unlimited limits itself to a particular form and the

> > trouble

> > > starts.

> > >

> > > ___________ok maharaja, this is like i said above,

> misidentyfying

> > > with improper understanding carnal body and it's shortcomings,

> > > instead of the true nature of self, _______ok.

> > >

> > > > > Let us say that someone has become a jnani, but what was

it

> to

> > > begin with?

> > > > > It was that sour, bitter, principle, that secretion

because

> of

> > > which the

> > > > > consciousness has taken place. That very principle, the

> > > knowledge " I " Am, " has

> > > > > developed, grown, and become sweet; it matures and becomes

> the

> > > manifest jnani

> > > > > state; but what is that; It is the product of the five

> > elemental

> > > food essence.

> > > > > When that goes, what remains?

> > > > > The Absolute which does not know itself.

> > >

> > > _______This gets a little abstract or strange. Are these words

> from

> > > maharaja? If so, they might be common to the ear of

disciples,if

> > > there are such here, but not clear in presentation.

> > > It appears to cover the topic of the carnal physical body and

> it's

> > > temporary period which the soul occupies.

> > > A jnani as mentioned here is just one stage in the

developmental

> > > process of the perfection of the Self. Jnani is not the goal,

but

> > can

> > > be very intoxicationg, i have met many who try to explain away

> God.

> > > And most are nihilists, somewhat sounding like maharaja here.

> It's

> > > another trap for being subtly toxic with mental masterbation,

> > > thinking ____'I know the Absolute', and He is not this, not

that.

> > >

> > > Beware of God that is not and Has not, for it is clearly the

> > > foundation for 'spiritual suicide. " Certainly some extremists

who

> > > have this view can even blow themselves up, being convinced

that

> > > there body is nothing but a walking bomb, and useful for God in

> > that

> > > sense. _____________this is risky business.

> > >

> > > Now eastern guru's or swami's are bringing all kinds of

> variations

> > of

> > > existential nihiism, and impressing upon a very somber

generation

> > of

> > > people who are raised in socialistic frameworks. This too is

> > clearly

> > > defined by the Holy Prophets, as the 'not God', or imaginary

God

> > > conspirators who are adept at conjuring up theories, and using

> > word

> > > gymnastics, for personal adoration or gain.

> > >

> > > summary answer

> > >

> > > The word 'absolute' dimishes the character of God and does not

> > > address Him, nor dress Him, but undresses. Hence it is used by

> > > nihilists frequently, in their deliberation and conclusion of

> being

> > > absorbed into the 'absolute' or 'one without qualities'.

> > >

> > > That is why the prophetic 'Word of God' will lay to rest once

> and

> > > for all, all these foolish attempts by men to put forth less

than

> > > productive ideas of God. God is love, Supreme Soul, and the

> source

> > of

> > > the family of 'little souls' that can share in the intimacy of

> > that

> > > love through service, and be rid of duality of identifying with

> the

> > > manifested as opposed to the Supreme Manifest.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Groovy stuff.

> > > > > I've been noticing lately, lots of folks who seem to want

to

> > self

> > > destruct

> > > > > as a human perceptive mechanism, not just here but

elsewhere.

> > > Possibly, this is

> > > > > what Whitehorse is galloping on about.

> > > > >

> > > > > It can be noticed that what we truly are, pure, subjective

> > > awareness, has no

> > > > > means of perceiving itself. This is the functioning of

> > > consciousness; to

> > > > > obtain the ability to be conscious of the Self. Therefore,

> the

> > > goal is not to

> > > > > cease consciousness, or to cease to exist as a human

> mechanism.

> > > > >

> > > > > The enlightened will talk about being oneness and the

> totality

> > > of

> > > > > consciousness, and will declare the human as a mechanism of

> > > nature, and there is no

> > > > > real involvement with this mechanism. This is all true, but

> the

> > > only way that

> > > > > it's known that one is that, is through the perceptive

> > mechanism

> > > of

> > > > > consciousness that it is known does not exist. This is what

> > > allows for the experience of

> > > > > Self. Without that experience, there is nothing going on

at

> > all.

> > > When there

> > > > > is no longer any mechanism to create experience, there is

no

> > > more experience.

> > >

> > > _______again here sounding like the trap of nothingness.

> > >

> > > > > That apparently individual experiential perspective

> dissolves

> > > back into

> > > > > consciousness from which it arose. One is then

consciousness

> > > experiencing itself

> > > > > through all the other vehicles of perception, originating

> > within

> > > the Self.

> > > > >

> > > > > Annihilation of the individual self will occur soon enough,

> and

> > > repeatedly.

> > >

> > > _______Your words are counterproductive when they overlap here

> > phil.

> > > perhaps you understand your self, but it is confusing for the

> > reader.

> > >

> > > > > What we're looking for is the experience of Self while ego

> > > remains as a part

> > > > > of consciousness. Fortunately, the ego isn't going to

> > > disappear. 'You' are the

> > > > > one 'moving'. Ego remains.

> > >

> > > > >Phil

> > >

> > > ________Again this is rather ambigious, considering what has

been

> > > said above by maharaj.

> > >

> > > cheers

> > >

> > > all glories to Our perfect Father and his loving kindness.

> > >

> > > your eternal friend and confidant, in Him.

> > >

> > > the whitehorse rider

> > >

> > > > >

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

>

> The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism, non-

> dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is the most

> precious.

> love

>

ok good

but what does that mean?

love

you use words and discussion to even come to that end. you have

responded and even with the word

love

so again, you cannot deny that a word is a sound vibration that

implies something. If you say 'it doesn't' then your mind game has

trapped you.

so i ask you simply what is this ?

love

what is The enlightened one?

love and peace within,

whitehorse rider.

November 28, 2005

it means : i love you

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism, non-

> > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is the most

> > precious.

> > love

> >

> ok good

>

> but what does that mean?

>

> love

you use words and discussion to even come to that end. you have

> responded and even with the word

>

> love

>

> so again, you cannot deny that a word is a sound vibration that

> implies something. If you say 'it doesn't' then your mind game has

> trapped you.

>

> so i ask you simply what is this ?

>

> love

>

> what is The enlightened one?

>

> love and peace within,

> whitehorse rider.

>

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

>

> it means : i love you

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism, non-

> > > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is the

most

> > > precious.

> > > love

> > >

> > ok good

> >

> > but what does that mean?

> >

> > love

> >

> > you use words and discussion to even come to that end. you have

> > responded and even with the word

> >

> > love

> >

> > so again, you cannot deny that a word is a sound vibration that

> > implies something. If you say 'it doesn't' then your mind game

has

> > trapped you.

> >

> > so i ask you simply what is this ?

> >

> > love

> >

> > what is The enlightened one?

> >

> > love and peace within,

> > whitehorse rider.

> >

>

That 's nice, i love you too.

now what?

how do you love me?

November 28, 2005

how?

it is not a tecnique

well..exactly the way you love me, i love you!

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> > it means : i love you

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism,

non-

> > > > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > > > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is the

> most

> > > > precious.

> > > > love

> > > >

> > > ok good

> > >

> > > but what does that mean?

> > >

> > > love

> > >

> > > you use words and discussion to even come to that end. you

have

> > > responded and even with the word

> > >

> > > love

> > >

> > > so again, you cannot deny that a word is a sound vibration

that

> > > implies something. If you say 'it doesn't' then your mind game

> has

> > > trapped you.

> > >

> > > so i ask you simply what is this ?

> > >

> > > love

> > >

> > > what is The enlightened one?

> > >

> > > love and peace within,

> > > whitehorse rider.

> > >

> >

> That 's nice, i love you too.

>

> now what?

>

> how do you love me?

>

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> nothing could ever appear to happen.....if there were not

> this " absolute " behind, inside....means, the source of all

>

> so it is not so much interesting what appear to happen.....but by

> which source it appear to happen....

>

> if this source is known....then.....it also appear that nothing

> ever ....realy ......happen.....

>

> Regards and peace

>

> Marc

>

> > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism, non-

> > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is the most

> > precious.

> > love

> >

_______

JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T READ MY POST , HERE IT IS AGAIN

> > > Now eastern guru's or swami's are bringing all kinds of

> variations

> > of

> > > existential nihiism, and impressing upon a very somber

generation

> > of

> > > people who are raised in socialistic frameworks. This too is

> > clearly

> > > defined by the Holy Prophets, as the 'not God', or imaginary

God

> > > conspirators who are adept at conjuring up theories, and using

> > word

> > > gymnastics, for personal adoration or gain.

> > >

> > > summary answer

> > >

> > > The word 'absolute' dimishes the character of God and does not

> > > address Him, nor dress Him, but undresses. Hence it is used by

> > > nihilists frequently, in their deliberation and conclusion of

> being

> > > absorbed into the 'absolute' or 'one without qualities'.

> > >

> > > That is why the prophetic 'Word of God' will lay to rest once

> and

> > > for all, all these foolish attempts by men to put forth less

than

> > > productive ideas of God. God is love, Supreme Soul, and the

> source

> > of

> > > the family of 'little souls' that can share in the intimacy of

> > that

> > > love through service, and be rid of duality of identifying with

> the

> > > manifested as opposed to the Supreme Manifest.

> > >

> >

>

NIHILISM_________________you said " if this source is known.....then

exactly to know requires the the spirit, it is a function giveing to

you however misuse of the spirit and it's understanding will lead one

down dark alleys such as the continuing expression that you had to

use some............ and then say

....it also appear.....that.....nothing....ever.....really....happen.

now if your are trying to use dots to stall a realized moment then

you have failed, since your words allready imply an action which is

not

N_____O_____T______H_______I_____N_______G__________period.

if God is love then what,

i'm still waiting for that answer.

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> wrote:

> > >

> > nothing could ever appear to happen.....if there were not

> > this " absolute " behind, inside....means, the source of all

> >

> > so it is not so much interesting what appear to happen.....but by

> > which source it appear to happen....

> >

> > if this source is known....then.....it also appear that nothing

> > ever ....realy ......happen.....

> >

> > Regards and peace

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism, non-

> > > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is the

most

> > > precious.

> > > love

> > >

> _______

>

> JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T READ MY POST , HERE IT IS AGAIN

>

> > > > Now eastern guru's or swami's are bringing all kinds of

> > variations

> > > of

> > > > existential nihiism, and impressing upon a very somber

> generation

> > > of

> > > > people who are raised in socialistic frameworks. This too is

> > > clearly

> > > > defined by the Holy Prophets, as the 'not God', or imaginary

> God

> > > > conspirators who are adept at conjuring up theories, and

using

> > > word

> > > > gymnastics, for personal adoration or gain.

> > > >

> > > > summary answer

> > > >

> > > > The word 'absolute' dimishes the character of God and does

not

> > > > address Him, nor dress Him, but undresses. Hence it is used

by

> > > > nihilists frequently, in their deliberation and conclusion of

> > being

> > > > absorbed into the 'absolute' or 'one without qualities'.

> > > >

> > > > That is why the prophetic 'Word of God' will lay to rest

once

> > and

> > > > for all, all these foolish attempts by men to put forth less

> than

> > > > productive ideas of God. God is love, Supreme Soul, and the

> > source

> > > of

> > > > the family of 'little souls' that can share in the intimacy

of

> > > that

> > > > love through service, and be rid of duality of identifying

with

> > the

> > > > manifested as opposed to the Supreme Manifest.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> NIHILISM_________________you said " if this source is known.....then

>

> exactly to know requires the the spirit, it is a function giveing

to

> you however misuse of the spirit and it's understanding will lead

one

> down dark alleys such as the continuing expression that you had to

> use some............ and then say

>

> ...it also appear.....that.....nothing....ever.....really....happen.

>

> now if your are trying to use dots to stall a realized moment then

> you have failed, since your words allready imply an action which is

> not

>

> N_____O_____T______H_______I_____N_______G__________period.

>

> if God is love then what,

>

> i'm still waiting for that answer.

....i don't think that you could have an idea of the " source " ...

your mind is restless.....and it seem that you can't have any real

idea of what is " behind mind " .....

you can have love for all this your " perception " of things.....of all

of your " world " .......and this love is from " God " .....and so to " God "

too.......as there is nothing but " God " in every perception of a

world.....

if you would know and experience the source of a perception.....then

you wouldn't have to " digest " this your restless mind.....all the time

Regards and PEACE

(if you can)

Marc

>

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

>

> how?

> it is not a tecnique

>

> well..exactly the way you love me, i love you!

>

ok more words, which again suggest action 'the same way'.

and this ''''way'''' is______________________.

you fill in the blanks.

so consider now i'm with you and not in cyberspace so there you

go............__________________________.

fill in the blank .

lololol.

November 28, 2005

i don't understand your posting.

Why should i fill the blank?

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> > how?

> > it is not a tecnique

> >

> > well..exactly the way you love me, i love you!

> >

> ok more words, which again suggest action 'the same way'.

>

> and this ''''way'''' is______________________.

>

> you fill in the blanks.

>

> so consider now i'm with you and not in cyberspace so there you

> go............__________________________.

>

> fill in the blank .

>

> lololol.

>

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > nothing could ever appear to happen.....if there were not

> > > this " absolute " behind, inside....means, the source of all

> > >

> > > so it is not so much interesting what appear to happen.....but

by

> > > which source it appear to happen....

> > >

> > > if this source is known....then.....it also appear that nothing

> > > ever ....realy ......happen.....

> > >

> > > Regards and peace

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism,

non-

> > > > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > > > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is the

> most

> > > > precious.

> > > > love

> > > >

> > _______

> >

> > JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T READ MY POST , HERE IT IS AGAIN

> >

> > > > > Now eastern guru's or swami's are bringing all kinds of

> > > variations

> > > > of

> > > > > existential nihiism, and impressing upon a very somber

> > generation

> > > > of

> > > > > people who are raised in socialistic frameworks. This too

is

> > > > clearly

> > > > > defined by the Holy Prophets, as the 'not God', or

imaginary

> > God

> > > > > conspirators who are adept at conjuring up theories, and

> using

> > > > word

> > > > > gymnastics, for personal adoration or gain.

> > > > >

> > > > > summary answer

> > > > >

> > > > > The word 'absolute' dimishes the character of God and does

> not

> > > > > address Him, nor dress Him, but undresses. Hence it is used

> by

> > > > > nihilists frequently, in their deliberation and conclusion

of

> > > being

> > > > > absorbed into the 'absolute' or 'one without qualities'.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is why the prophetic 'Word of God' will lay to rest

> once

> > > and

> > > > > for all, all these foolish attempts by men to put forth

less

> > than

> > > > > productive ideas of God. God is love, Supreme Soul, and the

> > > source

> > > > of

> > > > > the family of 'little souls' that can share in the

intimacy

> of

> > > > that

> > > > > love through service, and be rid of duality of identifying

> with

> > > the

> > > > > manifested as opposed to the Supreme Manifest.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > NIHILISM_________________you said " if this source is

known.....then

> >

> > exactly to know requires the the spirit, it is a function

giveing

> to

> > you however misuse of the spirit and it's understanding will lead

> one

> > down dark alleys such as the continuing expression that you had

to

> > use some............ and then say

> >

> > ...it also

appear.....that.....nothing....ever.....really....happen.

> >

> > now if your are trying to use dots to stall a realized moment

then

> > you have failed, since your words allready imply an action which

is

> > not

> >

> > N_____O_____T______H_______I_____N_______G__________period.

> >

> > if God is love then what,

> >

> > i'm still waiting for that answer.

>

> ...i don't think that you could have an idea of the " source " ...

>

> your mind is restless.....and it seem that you can't have any real

> idea of what is " behind mind " .....

>

> you can have love for all this your " perception " of things.....of

all

> of your " world " .......and this love is from " God " .....and so

to " God "

> too.......as there is nothing but " God " in every perception of a

> world.....

>

> if you would know and experience the source of a

perception.....then

> you wouldn't have to " digest " this your restless mind.....all the

time

>

> Regards and PEACE

>

> (if you can)

>

> Marc

>

If you are keeping up with my expression then what is the difference?

Assimilation is an active principal for the spirit.

Have you not heard of Word of God, " it is quick and powerful is

sharper than a two edged sword and furbished dividing even of the

soul and spirit and discerns the thoughts and intents of the heart.

And in that place is not restless but is the place of peace for all

things are naked to his eyes, and made manifest before him.

if that is the 'behind mind', you are simply using words from some

man who has taken them to impress or to sound as though he has

realized something special

It is not with words shall you be known but by you actions, for words

could simply be the reasoning of belief or faith, but your ACTIONS

will prove you.

These words come from the Holy Spirit. The soul within.

Active mind does not imply restless nor 'without peace'.

A subjective mind implies restlessness due to it identifying with the

self and not God.

you need not complicate God, nor annihilate Him. through not this,

not that, and using negation concepts to arrive at an absolute.

God is an affirmative God, loving and filled with reinforcing

affirmations about how to enjoy and live in bliss.

Life in love fulfils the spirit and does not empty it.

can you hear that??????????

peace, in action

love,

whitehorse rider

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

>

> i don't understand your posting.

> Why should i fill the blank?

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > how?

> > > it is not a tecnique

> > >

> > > well..exactly the way you love me, i love you!

> > >

> > ok more words, which again suggest action 'the same way'.

> >

> > and this ''''way'''' is______________________.

> >

> > you fill in the blanks.

> >

> > so consider now i'm with you and not in cyberspace so there you

> > go............__________________________.

> >

> > fill in the blank .

> >

> > lololol.

> >

>

LET ME SIMPLIFY

You have suggested you love me the same way 'i love you' . Ok, then

the words 'the same way' imply action of sorts. so here in

cyberspace words are the action. Now consider i am there with you,

how will you love me, since you imply 'love is not technique'.

so i'm asking in which ' way'______________. will you love me.

fill in the blanks._____________ which way?

Do you understand that?

whitehorserides again.

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba "

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > nothing could ever appear to happen.....if there were not

> > > > this " absolute " behind, inside....means, the source of all

> > > >

> > > > so it is not so much interesting what appear to

happen.....but

> by

> > > > which source it appear to happen....

> > > >

> > > > if this source is known....then.....it also appear that

nothing

> > > > ever ....realy ......happen.....

> > > >

> > > > Regards and peace

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy, dualism,

> non-

> > > > > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > > > > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is

the

> > most

> > > > > precious.

> > > > > love

> > > > >

> > > _______

> > >

> > > JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T READ MY POST , HERE IT IS AGAIN

> > >

> > > > > > Now eastern guru's or swami's are bringing all kinds of

> > > > variations

> > > > > of

> > > > > > existential nihiism, and impressing upon a very somber

> > > generation

> > > > > of

> > > > > > people who are raised in socialistic frameworks. This too

> is

> > > > > clearly

> > > > > > defined by the Holy Prophets, as the 'not God', or

> imaginary

> > > God

> > > > > > conspirators who are adept at conjuring up theories, and

> > using

> > > > > word

> > > > > > gymnastics, for personal adoration or gain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > summary answer

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The word 'absolute' dimishes the character of God and

does

> > not

> > > > > > address Him, nor dress Him, but undresses. Hence it is

used

> > by

> > > > > > nihilists frequently, in their deliberation and

conclusion

> of

> > > > being

> > > > > > absorbed into the 'absolute' or 'one without qualities'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is why the prophetic 'Word of God' will lay to rest

> > once

> > > > and

> > > > > > for all, all these foolish attempts by men to put forth

> less

> > > than

> > > > > > productive ideas of God. God is love, Supreme Soul, and

the

> > > > source

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the family of 'little souls' that can share in the

> intimacy

> > of

> > > > > that

> > > > > > love through service, and be rid of duality of

identifying

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > manifested as opposed to the Supreme Manifest.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > NIHILISM_________________you said " if this source is

> known.....then

> > >

> > > exactly to know requires the the spirit, it is a function

> giveing

> > to

> > > you however misuse of the spirit and it's understanding will

lead

> > one

> > > down dark alleys such as the continuing expression that you had

> to

> > > use some............ and then say

> > >

> > > ...it also

> appear.....that.....nothing....ever.....really....happen.

> > >

> > > now if your are trying to use dots to stall a realized moment

> then

> > > you have failed, since your words allready imply an action

which

> is

> > > not

> > >

> > > N_____O_____T______H_______I_____N_______G__________period.

> > >

> > > if God is love then what,

> > >

> > > i'm still waiting for that answer.

> >

> > ...i don't think that you could have an idea of the " source " ...

> >

> > your mind is restless.....and it seem that you can't have any

real

> > idea of what is " behind mind " .....

> >

> > you can have love for all this your " perception " of things.....of

> all

> > of your " world " .......and this love is from " God " .....and so

> to " God "

> > too.......as there is nothing but " God " in every perception of a

> > world.....

> >

> > if you would know and experience the source of a

> perception.....then

> > you wouldn't have to " digest " this your restless mind.....all the

> time

> >

> > Regards and PEACE

> >

> > (if you can)

> >

> > Marc

> >

> If you are keeping up with my expression then what is the

difference?

> Assimilation is an active principal for the spirit.

>

> Have you not heard of Word of God, " it is quick and powerful is

> sharper than a two edged sword and furbished dividing even of

the

> soul and spirit and discerns the thoughts and intents of the heart.

>

> And in that place is not restless but is the place of peace for all

> things are naked to his eyes, and made manifest before him.

>

> if that is the 'behind mind', you are simply using words from some

> man who has taken them to impress or to sound as though he has

> realized something special

>

> It is not with words shall you be known but by you actions, for

words

> could simply be the reasoning of belief or faith, but your ACTIONS

> will prove you.

>

> These words come from the Holy Spirit. The soul within.

>

> Active mind does not imply restless nor 'without peace'.

> A subjective mind implies restlessness due to it identifying with

the

> self and not God.

>

> you need not complicate God, nor annihilate Him. through not this,

> not that, and using negation concepts to arrive at an absolute.

>

> God is an affirmative God, loving and filled with reinforcing

> affirmations about how to enjoy and live in bliss.

>

> Life in love fulfils the spirit and does not empty it.

>

> can you hear that??????????

>

> peace, in action

>

> love,

> whitehorse rider

..... " behind mind " can be experienced by meditation.....

which, i don't believe....you can experience.....(restless mind...)

indead....books can't help you to meditate.....no concepts and

theories can the mind let enter in meditation....

real love....inner love and peace is necessary to meditate.....

you talk about love......and about love to " God " .....means, to

everything........

why can't you so experience meditation??

meditation could bring " you " ....this your restless ego-mind....behind

identification with body-mind-intellect.....

so what are this your " ACTIONS " proving?.....except that you have a

great tendency for words only....and some bubbles of love.....

if this your words come realy from the " Holy spirit " ......you could

apply them by 100% yourself.....because it would be the

message.......to yourself...........

you write:

" Life in love fulfils the spirit and does not empty it. "

first....where is this your love?????

second, can you realy feel it ????

i can...don't worry

but maybe you mean by " spirit " ....your ego-mind.......and so....yes,

it will be completely full....all the time.......by this your

(superficial) attitude

best wishes

Regards and peace

Marc

>

November 28, 2005

thanks.

yes, words are action. about your question the answer is still the

same:

Come and see.

love

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> > i don't understand your posting.

> > Why should i fill the blank?

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > how?

> > > > it is not a tecnique

> > > >

> > > > well..exactly the way you love me, i love you!

> > > >

> > > ok more words, which again suggest action 'the same way'.

> > >

> > > and this ''''way'''' is______________________.

> > >

> > > you fill in the blanks.

> > >

> > > so consider now i'm with you and not in cyberspace so there

you

> > > go............__________________________.

> > >

> > > fill in the blank .

> > >

> > > lololol.

> > >

> >

> LET ME SIMPLIFY

>

> You have suggested you love me the same way 'i love you' . Ok,

then

> the words 'the same way' imply action of sorts. so here in

> cyberspace words are the action. Now consider i am there with you,

> how will you love me, since you imply 'love is not technique'.

> so i'm asking in which ' way'______________. will you love me.

>

> fill in the blanks._____________ which way?

>

> Do you understand that?

>

> whitehorserides again.

>

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba "

> <bigwaaba>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > nothing could ever appear to happen.....if there were not

> > > > > this " absolute " behind, inside....means, the source of all

> > > > >

> > > > > so it is not so much interesting what appear to

> happen.....but

> > by

> > > > > which source it appear to happen....

> > > > >

> > > > > if this source is known....then.....it also appear that

> nothing

> > > > > ever ....realy ......happen.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards and peace

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy,

dualism,

> > non-

> > > > > > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > > > > > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is

> the

> > > most

> > > > > > precious.

> > > > > > love

> > > > > >

> > > > _______

> > > >

> > > > JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T READ MY POST , HERE IT IS AGAIN

> > > >

> > > > > > > Now eastern guru's or swami's are bringing all kinds of

> > > > > variations

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > existential nihiism, and impressing upon a very somber

> > > > generation

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > people who are raised in socialistic frameworks. This

too

> > is

> > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > defined by the Holy Prophets, as the 'not God', or

> > imaginary

> > > > God

> > > > > > > conspirators who are adept at conjuring up theories,

and

> > > using

> > > > > > word

> > > > > > > gymnastics, for personal adoration or gain.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > summary answer

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The word 'absolute' dimishes the character of God and

> does

> > > not

> > > > > > > address Him, nor dress Him, but undresses. Hence it is

> used

> > > by

> > > > > > > nihilists frequently, in their deliberation and

> conclusion

> > of

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > absorbed into the 'absolute' or 'one without qualities'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That is why the prophetic 'Word of God' will lay to

rest

> > > once

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > for all, all these foolish attempts by men to put forth

> > less

> > > > than

> > > > > > > productive ideas of God. God is love, Supreme Soul, and

> the

> > > > > source

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the family of 'little souls' that can share in the

> > intimacy

> > > of

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > love through service, and be rid of duality of

> identifying

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > manifested as opposed to the Supreme Manifest.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > NIHILISM_________________you said " if this source is

> > known.....then

> > > >

> > > > exactly to know requires the the spirit, it is a function

> > giveing

> > > to

> > > > you however misuse of the spirit and it's understanding will

> lead

> > > one

> > > > down dark alleys such as the continuing expression that you

had

> > to

> > > > use some............ and then say

> > > >

> > > > ...it also

> > appear.....that.....nothing....ever.....really....happen.

> > > >

> > > > now if your are trying to use dots to stall a realized moment

> > then

> > > > you have failed, since your words allready imply an action

> which

> > is

> > > > not

> > > >

> > > > N_____O_____T______H_______I_____N_______G__________period.

> > > >

> > > > if God is love then what,

> > > >

> > > > i'm still waiting for that answer.

> > >

> > > ...i don't think that you could have an idea of the " source " ...

> > >

> > > your mind is restless.....and it seem that you can't have any

> real

> > > idea of what is " behind mind " .....

> > >

> > > you can have love for all this your " perception " of

things.....of

> > all

> > > of your " world " .......and this love is from " God " .....and so

> > to " God "

> > > too.......as there is nothing but " God " in every perception of

a

> > > world.....

> > >

> > > if you would know and experience the source of a

> > perception.....then

> > > you wouldn't have to " digest " this your restless mind.....all

the

> > time

> > >

> > > Regards and PEACE

> > >

> > > (if you can)

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > If you are keeping up with my expression then what is the

> difference?

> > Assimilation is an active principal for the spirit.

> >

> > Have you not heard of Word of God, " it is quick and powerful is

> > sharper than a two edged sword and furbished dividing even of

> the

> > soul and spirit and discerns the thoughts and intents of the

heart.

> >

> > And in that place is not restless but is the place of peace for

all

> > things are naked to his eyes, and made manifest before him.

> >

> > if that is the 'behind mind', you are simply using words from

some

> > man who has taken them to impress or to sound as though he has

> > realized something special

> >

> > It is not with words shall you be known but by you actions, for

> words

> > could simply be the reasoning of belief or faith, but your

ACTIONS

> > will prove you.

> >

> > These words come from the Holy Spirit. The soul within.

> >

> > Active mind does not imply restless nor 'without peace'.

> > A subjective mind implies restlessness due to it identifying with

> the

> > self and not God.

> >

> > you need not complicate God, nor annihilate Him. through not

this,

> > not that, and using negation concepts to arrive at an absolute.

> >

> > God is an affirmative God, loving and filled with reinforcing

> > affirmations about how to enjoy and live in bliss.

> >

> > Life in love fulfils the spirit and does not empty it.

> >

> > can you hear that??????????

> >

> > peace, in action

> >

> > love,

> > whitehorse rider

>

> .... " behind mind " can be experienced by meditation.....

>

> which, i don't believe....you can experience.....(restless mind...)

>

> indead....books can't help you to meditate.....no concepts and

> theories can the mind let enter in meditation....

>

> real love....inner love and peace is necessary to meditate.....

>

> you talk about love......and about love to " God " .....means, to

> everything........

>

> why can't you so experience meditation??

>

> meditation could bring " you " ....this your restless ego-

mind....behind

> identification with body-mind-intellect.....

>

> so what are this your " ACTIONS " proving?.....except that you have a

> great tendency for words only....and some bubbles of love.....

>

> if this your words come realy from the " Holy spirit " ......you could

> apply them by 100% yourself.....because it would be the

> message.......to yourself...........

>

> you write:

> " Life in love fulfils the spirit and does not empty it. "

>

> first....where is this your love?????

> second, can you realy feel it ????

>

> i can...don't worry

>

> but maybe you mean by " spirit " ....your ego-mind.......and

so....yes,

> it will be completely full....all the time.......by this your

> (superficial) attitude

>

> best wishes

>

> Regards and peace

>

> Marc

>

meditatiion is a word to describe a fixed state or is used to

describe a person who is in practice of. Also it is within the word

yoga or to unite. The objective of meditation and yoga are to come

to a place of rest in God or perfecet unity in God. Yoga by

definition from to yoke or 'join together', to unite, or be in

union. " notice carefully that join implies the use of the word in

action towards each other.

There is no dissovling here, or vanishment.

Meditation is the ablility or act of a continued flow of thought

towards an object or subject.

L __to cogitate the mind or revolve around a particular subject, to

plan or think about.

heence the perfection of meditation is absloving in the reservoir of

God's loving Will.

Did you hear that?

God, Supreme Soul, source of all souls, sustainer and maintainer of

all life has a Will and desire that you live in Him.

That is the perection of the spirit self.

Now guru's and swami's are purporting all kinds of variations of

expressions guiding people with many kinds of theories and yaga

practices to reach an end which is not possible through sitting

postures, nor diet , nor thinking of nothing nor sound chants . NONE

OF THESE,

But God is known through the fulfilling of His Will. These are not

fancy words or any bombastic speech, but are the words of Holy Men

who realized God through living loving service.

Love is not an empty cup it's filled and is overflowing and always

giving b/c God has an unlimited reservoir. When you are tapped in

then you too are the perfected state as you can longer make any error

b/c He is in you and with you and preserves you in Spirit. Therefore

as Jesus taught one who is born again, cannot sin, for He is in God.

But did the Holy Man speak and say " sit here do nothing and wait till

i come back " . No by actions he demonstrated what was love and faith

and that oneness, you are searching everywhere for love and

suggesting this or that.

First, learn God's Will for you and when you have firmly planted that

in your mind let that be your meditation, then God will reciprocate,

with you. That is His guarantee, not mine to give but yours to have

as a free gift. God does not charge for His love. And anyone who says

i have God's word and you have to pay for it, is a false teacher, an

imposter, and the Word is not in him. So yes all yoga , yogi's and

preists and sadhu's guru's if they are not teaching 'God's Loving

Word' are imposters.

Many, many, many will come and say God is here, God is there, love is

thins love is that, try this try that, all you need is this or

that,_____but don't follow them, don't listen to them.

so you ask where is your love????

and can you really feel it?????

yes, of course it is joyfull and fills your heart. God is Divine and

at times He intervenes in a Divine manner and reveals His presence.

This is the perfection of yoga.

When you are connected to someone through the phone then you have

connection. You connect to God through the Spirit that is love, and

you share in this love. Love is not singular it is between two. It is

not lonely it is complete and full in the spirit.

How many more ways do you need to hear it?

peace in Him.

meditation on Her/Him

from your waking moment to your rest. 24/7

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

>

> where is unfulfillment when the Absolute is known as the source of

> everything?

> noone fears love! fear is out of the concept that what you are can be

> separeted from love, concept mainteined by religions talking about

> heaven and hell. hell is the possibility that what you are can be

> separeted from love.

>

The question is what is the Absolutes Will? it's not a void. You have

will and will power derived from some where. It manifests in the

spirit. Therefore, since God is Spirit and is the 'Absolute' then He

too has will.

this is what you must learn to please Him. And the beginning of

pleasing Him is having Wisdom which is His female expanision. Find Her

and you will please Him.

There is no fear when you are in Her/Him. For there is no hell even to

consider since you are a host of the Absolute. or the One True Spirit.

Religious talk is about God, hell talk is seperate from God the two

don't mix. Yet to identify with where people are living and what is

influencing them to do what they do it is necessary to discuss at their

level.

Therefore God sends His sons, these are avatara's or realized sons whop

come to speak on His behalf. And Jesus said " I am in the world but

not of this World " that is sent son, realized in the Self. But where is

the meditation or oneness , it is the active mind focussed on God's

Word. " Those who please God, ie do His will, will be with me in the

heavens " . that word is the same word of all Holy men, saints , angels,

hosts of heaven.

so There is no possibility of hell when one knows God. It's like having

a home, you go out, but you know your home and return to it, hence you

do not have fear of being left out. That is the comfort of the soul in

God, so he knows when he goes out of the body he is still at home just

as he left. Hence no fear. This is victory over death as said by the

Holy Prophets.

whiterhorse rider

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " from your

waking moment to your rest. 24/7

hello the freak of words...,

you write:

The objective of meditation and yoga are to come

to a place of rest in God or perfecet unity in God. Yoga by

definition from to yoke or 'join together', to unite, or be in

union. " notice carefully that join implies the use of the word in

action towards each other.

There is no dissovling here, or vanishment. "

sounds good.....

yes, to dissolve the ego-mind...is to enter in meditation

i realy have no problems with this your words.....and i " hear "

them....or whatever........and even if i percieve a mountain of ego-

mind passing in front.......i don't care.......

(except that i hope that this mountain don't take away all the nice

view....and follow his/her path.......lol)

you write:

" Meditation is the ablility or act of a continued flow of thought

> towards an object or subject.

> L __to cogitate the mind or revolve around a particular subject, to

> plan or think about.

>

> heence the perfection of meditation is absloving in the reservoir

of

> God's loving Will. "

i don't agree with this......

your words are in contradictions.....

so....if, there is unity......if everything is God.......

" what " should be the " will of God " about??

" God " has no will at all.....and thats the difference between an ego-

mind.......and " God " .......

the ego-mind has the illusion to follow " own " will....or even " God's

will " ......

don't you believe that life would be endless more peaceful.....if we

just would enjoy this peace......without stressing around with

expectations to " others " .........

" God " has no expectations.....is all the time perfect....in unity,

peace and love......

if " you " would realy enjoy this peace, unity and love....then you

could also percieve the real Self......and could be endless satisfied

in declaring: I am

" God " is present.... " here and now " ......not only that He give

sometimes a " sign " or whatever indications......

if your knowledge and heart is pure.....then you can percieve " God "

every moment.......

you write:

" How many more ways do you need to hear it? "

i propose you to just pass.....to move on.....with this your

presumed " will of God " and love.....and whatever phantasies....

this would be of great help....

thank you

Regards and peace

Marc

>

November 28, 2005

-

whitehorserides

Nisargadatta

Monday, November 28, 2005 8:44 AM

Re: You can not know the Absolute ___YES,,,

PERSONALLY.!

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba "

> <bigwaaba>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > nothing could ever appear to happen.....if there were not

> > > > > this " absolute " behind, inside....means, the source of all

> > > > >

> > > > > so it is not so much interesting what appear to

> happen.....but

> > by

> > > > > which source it appear to happen....

> > > > >

> > > > > if this source is known....then.....it also appear that

> nothing

> > > > > ever ....realy ......happen.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards and peace

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy,

dualism,

> > non-

> > > > > > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > > > > > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this is

> the

> > > most

> > > > > > precious.

> > > > > > love

> > > > > >

> > > > _______

> > > >

> > > > JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T READ MY POST , HERE IT IS AGAIN

> > > >

> > > > > > > Now eastern guru's or swami's are bringing all kinds of

> > > > > variations

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > existential nihiism, and impressing upon a very somber

> > > > generation

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > people who are raised in socialistic frameworks. This

too

> > is

> > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > defined by the Holy Prophets, as the 'not God', or

> > imaginary

> > > > God

> > > > > > > conspirators who are adept at conjuring up theories,

and

> > > using

> > > > > > word

> > > > > > > gymnastics, for personal adoration or gain.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > summary answer

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The word 'absolute' dimishes the character of God and

> does

> > > not

> > > > > > > address Him, nor dress Him, but undresses. Hence it is

> used

> > > by

> > > > > > > nihilists frequently, in their deliberation and

> conclusion

> > of

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > absorbed into the 'absolute' or 'one without qualities'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That is why the prophetic 'Word of God' will lay to

rest

> > > once

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > for all, all these foolish attempts by men to put forth

> > less

> > > > than

> > > > > > > productive ideas of God. God is love, Supreme Soul, and

> the

> > > > > source

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the family of 'little souls' that can share in the

> > intimacy

> > > of

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > love through service, and be rid of duality of

> identifying

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > manifested as opposed to the Supreme Manifest.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > NIHILISM_________________you said " if this source is

> > known.....then

> > > >

> > > > exactly to know requires the the spirit, it is a function

> > giveing

> > > to

> > > > you however misuse of the spirit and it's understanding will

> lead

> > > one

> > > > down dark alleys such as the continuing expression that you

had

> > to

> > > > use some............ and then say

> > > >

> > > > ...it also

> > appear.....that.....nothing....ever.....really....happen.

> > > >

> > > > now if your are trying to use dots to stall a realized moment

> > then

> > > > you have failed, since your words allready imply an action

> which

> > is

> > > > not

> > > >

> > > > N_____O_____T______H_______I_____N_______G__________period.

> > > >

> > > > if God is love then what,

> > > >

> > > > i'm still waiting for that answer.

> > >

> > > ...i don't think that you could have an idea of the " source " ...

> > >

> > > your mind is restless.....and it seem that you can't have any

> real

> > > idea of what is " behind mind " .....

> > >

> > > you can have love for all this your " perception " of

things.....of

> > all

> > > of your " world " .......and this love is from " God " .....and so

> > to " God "

> > > too.......as there is nothing but " God " in every perception of

a

> > > world.....

> > >

> > > if you would know and experience the source of a

> > perception.....then

> > > you wouldn't have to " digest " this your restless mind.....all

the

> > time

> > >

> > > Regards and PEACE

> > >

> > > (if you can)

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > If you are keeping up with my expression then what is the

> difference?

> > Assimilation is an active principal for the spirit.

> >

> > Have you not heard of Word of God, " it is quick and powerful is

> > sharper than a two edged sword and furbished dividing even of

> the

> > soul and spirit and discerns the thoughts and intents of the

heart.

> >

> > And in that place is not restless but is the place of peace for

all

> > things are naked to his eyes, and made manifest before him.

> >

> > if that is the 'behind mind', you are simply using words from

some

> > man who has taken them to impress or to sound as though he has

> > realized something special

> >

> > It is not with words shall you be known but by you actions, for

> words

> > could simply be the reasoning of belief or faith, but your

ACTIONS

> > will prove you.

> >

> > These words come from the Holy Spirit. The soul within.

> >

> > Active mind does not imply restless nor 'without peace'.

> > A subjective mind implies restlessness due to it identifying with

> the

> > self and not God.

> >

> > you need not complicate God, nor annihilate Him. through not

this,

> > not that, and using negation concepts to arrive at an absolute.

> >

> > God is an affirmative God, loving and filled with reinforcing

> > affirmations about how to enjoy and live in bliss.

> >

> > Life in love fulfils the spirit and does not empty it.

> >

> > can you hear that??????????

> >

> > peace, in action

> >

> > love,

> > whitehorse rider

>

> .... " behind mind " can be experienced by meditation.....

>

> which, i don't believe....you can experience.....(restless mind...)

>

> indead....books can't help you to meditate.....no concepts and

> theories can the mind let enter in meditation....

>

> real love....inner love and peace is necessary to meditate.....

>

> you talk about love......and about love to " God " .....means, to

> everything........

>

> why can't you so experience meditation??

>

> meditation could bring " you " ....this your restless ego-

mind....behind

> identification with body-mind-intellect.....

>

> so what are this your " ACTIONS " proving?.....except that you have a

> great tendency for words only....and some bubbles of love.....

>

> if this your words come realy from the " Holy spirit " ......you could

> apply them by 100% yourself.....because it would be the

> message.......to yourself...........

>

> you write:

> " Life in love fulfils the spirit and does not empty it. "

>

> first....where is this your love?????

> second, can you realy feel it ????

>

> i can...don't worry

>

> but maybe you mean by " spirit " ....your ego-mind.......and

so....yes,

> it will be completely full....all the time.......by this your

> (superficial) attitude

>

> best wishes

>

> Regards and peace

>

> Marc

>

meditatiion is a word to describe a fixed state or is used to

describe a person who is in practice of. Also it is within the word

yoga or to unite. The objective of meditation and yoga are to come

to a place of rest in God or perfecet unity in God. Yoga by

definition from to yoke or 'join together', to unite, or be in

union. " notice carefully that join implies the use of the word in

action towards each other.

There is no dissovling here, or vanishment.

Meditation is the ablility or act of a continued flow of thought

towards an object or subject.

L __to cogitate the mind or revolve around a particular subject, to

plan or think about.

heence the perfection of meditation is absloving in the reservoir of

God's loving Will.

Did you hear that?

God, Supreme Soul, source of all souls, sustainer and maintainer of

all life has a Will and desire that you live in Him.

That is the perection of the spirit self.

Now guru's and swami's are purporting all kinds of variations of

expressions guiding people with many kinds of theories and yaga

practices to reach an end which is not possible through sitting

postures, nor diet , nor thinking of nothing nor sound chants . NONE

OF THESE,

But God is known through the fulfilling of His Will. These are not

fancy words or any bombastic speech, but are the words of Holy Men

who realized God through living loving service.

Love is not an empty cup it's filled and is overflowing and always

giving b/c God has an unlimited reservoir. When you are tapped in

then you too are the perfected state as you can longer make any error

b/c He is in you and with you and preserves you in Spirit. Therefore

as Jesus taught one who is born again, cannot sin, for He is in God.

But did the Holy Man speak and say " sit here do nothing and wait till

i come back " . No by actions he demonstrated what was love and faith

and that oneness, you are searching everywhere for love and

suggesting this or that.

First, learn God's Will for you and when you have firmly planted that

in your mind let that be your meditation, then God will reciprocate,

with you. That is His guarantee, not mine to give but yours to have

as a free gift. God does not charge for His love. And anyone who says

i have God's word and you have to pay for it, is a false teacher, an

imposter, and the Word is not in him. So yes all yoga , yogi's and

preists and sadhu's guru's if they are not teaching 'God's Loving

Word' are imposters.

Many, many, many will come and say God is here, God is there, love is

thins love is that, try this try that, all you need is this or

that,_____but don't follow them, don't listen to them.

so you ask where is your love????

and can you really feel it?????

yes, of course it is joyfull and fills your heart. God is Divine and

at times He intervenes in a Divine manner and reveals His presence.

This is the perfection of yoga.

When you are connected to someone through the phone then you have

connection. You connect to God through the Spirit that is love, and

you share in this love. Love is not singular it is between two. It is

not lonely it is complete and full in the spirit.

How many more ways do you need to hear it?

peace in Him.

meditation on Her/Him

from your waking moment to your rest. 24/7

" How many more ways do you need to hear it? "

I would say this: Until the end of " time " , until the union of/with/for and by

God...an Eternity..

Love,

Ana

**

If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription,

sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups:

/mygroups?edit=1

Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta

group and click on Save Changes.

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> -

> whitehorserides

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, November 28, 2005 8:44 AM

> Re: You can not know the Absolute

___YES,,, PERSONALLY.!

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > > > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba "

> > <bigwaaba>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > nothing could ever appear to happen.....if there were

not

> > > > > > this " absolute " behind, inside....means, the source of

all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so it is not so much interesting what appear to

> > happen.....but

> > > by

> > > > > > which source it appear to happen....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if this source is known....then.....it also appear that

> > nothing

> > > > > > ever ....realy ......happen.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards and peace

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > The enlightened one has no interest in philosophy,

> dualism,

> > > non-

> > > > > > > dualism, qualified-non-dualism...and so on...

> > > > > > > what in which all this mind-trips are happening, this

is

> > the

> > > > most

> > > > > > > precious.

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > >

> > > > > _______

> > > > >

> > > > > JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T READ MY POST , HERE IT IS AGAIN

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now eastern guru's or swami's are bringing all

kinds of

> > > > > > variations

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > existential nihiism, and impressing upon a very

somber

> > > > > generation

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > people who are raised in socialistic frameworks.

This

> too

> > > is

> > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > defined by the Holy Prophets, as the 'not God', or

> > > imaginary

> > > > > God

> > > > > > > > conspirators who are adept at conjuring up

theories,

> and

> > > > using

> > > > > > > word

> > > > > > > > gymnastics, for personal adoration or gain.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > summary answer

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The word 'absolute' dimishes the character of God

and

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > address Him, nor dress Him, but undresses. Hence it

is

> > used

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > nihilists frequently, in their deliberation and

> > conclusion

> > > of

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > absorbed into the 'absolute' or 'one without

qualities'.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That is why the prophetic 'Word of God' will lay

to

> rest

> > > > once

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > for all, all these foolish attempts by men to put

forth

> > > less

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > > productive ideas of God. God is love, Supreme Soul,

and

> > the

> > > > > > source

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the family of 'little souls' that can share in the

> > > intimacy

> > > > of

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > love through service, and be rid of duality of

> > identifying

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > manifested as opposed to the Supreme Manifest.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > NIHILISM_________________you said " if this source is

> > > known.....then

> > > > >

> > > > > exactly to know requires the the spirit, it is a

function

> > > giveing

> > > > to

> > > > > you however misuse of the spirit and it's understanding

will

> > lead

> > > > one

> > > > > down dark alleys such as the continuing expression that

you

> had

> > > to

> > > > > use some............ and then say

> > > > >

> > > > > ...it also

> > > appear.....that.....nothing....ever.....really....happen.

> > > > >

> > > > > now if your are trying to use dots to stall a realized

moment

> > > then

> > > > > you have failed, since your words allready imply an

action

> > which

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > >

N_____O_____T______H_______I_____N_______G__________period.

> > > > >

> > > > > if God is love then what,

> > > > >

> > > > > i'm still waiting for that answer.

> > > >

> > > > ...i don't think that you could have an idea of

the " source " ...

> > > >

> > > > your mind is restless.....and it seem that you can't have

any

> > real

> > > > idea of what is " behind mind " .....

> > > >

> > > > you can have love for all this your " perception " of

> things.....of

> > > all

> > > > of your " world " .......and this love is from " God " .....and

so

> > > to " God "

> > > > too.......as there is nothing but " God " in every perception

of

> a

> > > > world.....

> > > >

> > > > if you would know and experience the source of a

> > > perception.....then

> > > > you wouldn't have to " digest " this your restless

mind.....all

> the

> > > time

> > > >

> > > > Regards and PEACE

> > > >

> > > > (if you can)

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > If you are keeping up with my expression then what is the

> > difference?

> > > Assimilation is an active principal for the spirit.

> > >

> > > Have you not heard of Word of God, " it is quick and powerful

is

> > > sharper than a two edged sword and furbished dividing even

of

> > the

> > > soul and spirit and discerns the thoughts and intents of the

> heart.

> > >

> > > And in that place is not restless but is the place of peace

for

> all

> > > things are naked to his eyes, and made manifest before him.

> > >

> > > if that is the 'behind mind', you are simply using words from

> some

> > > man who has taken them to impress or to sound as though he

has

> > > realized something special

> > >

> > > It is not with words shall you be known but by you actions,

for

> > words

> > > could simply be the reasoning of belief or faith, but your

> ACTIONS

> > > will prove you.

> > >

> > > These words come from the Holy Spirit. The soul within.

> > >

> > > Active mind does not imply restless nor 'without peace'.

> > > A subjective mind implies restlessness due to it identifying

with

> > the

> > > self and not God.

> > >

> > > you need not complicate God, nor annihilate Him. through not

> this,

> > > not that, and using negation concepts to arrive at an

absolute.

> > >

> > > God is an affirmative God, loving and filled with reinforcing

> > > affirmations about how to enjoy and live in bliss.

> > >

> > > Life in love fulfils the spirit and does not empty it.

> > >

> > > can you hear that??????????

> > >

> > > peace, in action

> > >

> > > love,

> > > whitehorse rider

> >

> > .... " behind mind " can be experienced by meditation.....

> >

> > which, i don't believe....you can experience.....(restless

mind...)

> >

> > indead....books can't help you to meditate.....no concepts and

> > theories can the mind let enter in meditation....

> >

> > real love....inner love and peace is necessary to meditate.....

> >

> > you talk about love......and about love to " God " .....means, to

> > everything........

> >

> > why can't you so experience meditation??

> >

> > meditation could bring " you " ....this your restless ego-

> mind....behind

> > identification with body-mind-intellect.....

> >

> > so what are this your " ACTIONS " proving?.....except that you

have a

> > great tendency for words only....and some bubbles of love.....

> >

> > if this your words come realy from the " Holy spirit " ......you

could

> > apply them by 100% yourself.....because it would be the

> > message.......to yourself...........

> >

> > you write:

> > " Life in love fulfils the spirit and does not empty it. "

> >

> > first....where is this your love?????

> > second, can you realy feel it ????

> >

> > i can...don't worry

> >

> > but maybe you mean by " spirit " ....your ego-mind.......and

> so....yes,

> > it will be completely full....all the time.......by this your

> > (superficial) attitude

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > Regards and peace

> >

> > Marc

> >

> meditatiion is a word to describe a fixed state or is used to

> describe a person who is in practice of. Also it is within the

word

> yoga or to unite. The objective of meditation and yoga are to

come

> to a place of rest in God or perfecet unity in God. Yoga by

> definition from to yoke or 'join together', to unite, or be in

> union. " notice carefully that join implies the use of the word in

> action towards each other.

> There is no dissovling here, or vanishment.

>

> Meditation is the ablility or act of a continued flow of thought

> towards an object or subject.

> L __to cogitate the mind or revolve around a particular subject,

to

> plan or think about.

>

> heence the perfection of meditation is absloving in the reservoir

of

> God's loving Will.

>

> Did you hear that?

>

> God, Supreme Soul, source of all souls, sustainer and maintainer

of

> all life has a Will and desire that you live in Him.

>

> That is the perection of the spirit self.

>

> Now guru's and swami's are purporting all kinds of variations of

> expressions guiding people with many kinds of theories and yaga

> practices to reach an end which is not possible through sitting

> postures, nor diet , nor thinking of nothing nor sound chants .

NONE

> OF THESE,

> But God is known through the fulfilling of His Will. These are

not

> fancy words or any bombastic speech, but are the words of Holy

Men

> who realized God through living loving service.

>

> Love is not an empty cup it's filled and is overflowing and

always

> giving b/c God has an unlimited reservoir. When you are tapped

in

> then you too are the perfected state as you can longer make any

error

> b/c He is in you and with you and preserves you in Spirit.

Therefore

> as Jesus taught one who is born again, cannot sin, for He is in

God.

>

> But did the Holy Man speak and say " sit here do nothing and wait

till

> i come back " . No by actions he demonstrated what was love and

faith

> and that oneness, you are searching everywhere for love and

> suggesting this or that.

>

> First, learn God's Will for you and when you have firmly planted

that

> in your mind let that be your meditation, then God will

reciprocate,

> with you. That is His guarantee, not mine to give but yours to

have

> as a free gift. God does not charge for His love. And anyone who

says

> i have God's word and you have to pay for it, is a false teacher,

an

> imposter, and the Word is not in him. So yes all yoga , yogi's

and

> preists and sadhu's guru's if they are not teaching 'God's Loving

> Word' are imposters.

>

> Many, many, many will come and say God is here, God is there,

love is

> thins love is that, try this try that, all you need is this or

> that,_____but don't follow them, don't listen to them.

>

> so you ask where is your love????

> and can you really feel it?????

>

> yes, of course it is joyfull and fills your heart. God is Divine

and

> at times He intervenes in a Divine manner and reveals His

presence.

> This is the perfection of yoga.

>

> When you are connected to someone through the phone then you have

> connection. You connect to God through the Spirit that is love,

and

> you share in this love. Love is not singular it is between two.

It is

> not lonely it is complete and full in the spirit.

>

> How many more ways do you need to hear it?

>

> peace in Him.

> meditation on Her/Him

> from your waking moment to your rest. 24/7

>

> " How many more ways do you need to hear it? "

> I would say this: Until the end of " time " , until the union

of/with/for and by God...an Eternity..

>

> Love,

> Ana

lol.....poor Ana.....

>

**

>

> If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your

subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups:

>

> /mygroups?edit=1

>

> Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the

Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes.

>

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " from your

> waking moment to your rest. 24/7

>

> hello the freak of words...,

>

> you write:

>

> The objective of meditation and yoga are to come

> to a place of rest in God or perfecet unity in God. Yoga by

> definition from to yoke or 'join together', to unite, or be in

> union. " notice carefully that join implies the use of the word in

> action towards each other.

> There is no dissovling here, or vanishment. "

>

> sounds good.....

> yes, to dissolve the ego-mind...is to enter in meditation

>

> i realy have no problems with this your words.....and i " hear "

> them....or whatever........and even if i percieve a mountain of ego-

> mind passing in front.......i don't care.......

> (except that i hope that this mountain don't take away all the nice

> view....and follow his/her path.......lol)

>

> you write:

> " Meditation is the ablility or act of a continued flow of thought

> > towards an object or subject.

> > L __to cogitate the mind or revolve around a particular subject,

to

> > plan or think about.

> >

> > heence the perfection of meditation is absloving in the reservoir

> of

> > God's loving Will. "

>

> i don't agree with this......

>

> your words are in contradictions.....

>

> so....if, there is unity......if everything is God.......

> " what " should be the " will of God " about??

finally a question? Marc. lol

Aout pleasing Him, if you are from Him and He is your Father then

there is some order to living with god as there is order to living in

your fathers house. Can you agree to that?

> " God " has no will at all.....and thats the difference between an

ego-

> mind.......and " God " .......

WRONG, what you are saying is there is no order or expected manner of

order in this world. Therfore man can exploit as he sees according

to your premise.

That , my friend is the essential problem!!!!!!!!!

Can you not see that? There is no God, man has taken God's postition.

>the ego-mind has the illusion to follow " own " will....or even " God's

> will " ......

Yes, the ego-mind as it pertains to self, and selfish desires. But

God's will it rejects, something like you do.

>

> don't you believe that life would be endless more peaceful.....if

we

> just would enjoy this peace......without stressing around with

> expectations to " others " .........

Peace is also an individual's perspective, Geo Bush links peace is

dropping bombs and then writing paper that men sign in a dark room.

Your wife might find peace at home watching tv.

But i never said peace was to stress around to serve others

expectations. Serve God and Him only, when you serve god the root of

tree then all the fruit will be satisfied. Service unto God is not

stressful. It is the optimum satisfaction to both Him and you, since

He returns the service.

>

> " God " has no expectations.....is all the time perfect....in unity,

> peace and love......

God only expects you act accroding to His will. Yo seem to trying to

negate God and therein is the problem . Just calling the Absolute

does not put any personal love or sharing into the character, call

Him Abba, your eternal Father. and you have character.

>

> if " you " would realy enjoy this peace, unity and love....then you

> could also percieve the real Self......and could be endless

satisfied

> in declaring: I am

First before " I AM " is the anointing of love. That exchange takes

place in the Holy Spirit, in Him.

>

> " God " is present.... " here and now " ......not only that He give

> sometimes a " sign " or whatever indications......

>

> if your knowledge and heart is pure.....then you can percieve " God "

> every moment.......

It's not a question so much of knowledge, but is a question of

knowing what pleasures Him. Your heart is purified through the

anointing of love. When your eyes have the eyesalve of love and all

you do is for His pleasure then you will relish those special

monments when He speaks to you and sends you signs. It's a personal

relationship. Nothing can ever take away that pure love.

>

> you write:

> " How many more ways do you need to hear it? "

>

> i propose you to just pass.....to move on.....with this your

> presumed " will of God " and love.....and whatever phantasies....

God is not about phantansies, but is about intimate friendship. His

promise is that His family will again be seen and live in harmony and

know Him in Truth. This is what pleases God 'to see cooperation and

harmony', " thy kingdom come, thy 'God's' Will be done, on earth as it

is in the Spirit of love. heaven.

peace my friend.

>

> this would be of great help....

>

> thank you

>

> Regards and peace

>

> Marc

>

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " from your

> > waking moment to your rest. 24/7

> >

> > hello the freak of words and " God " ,

> you write:

> " finally a question? Marc. lol

>

> Aout pleasing Him, if you are from Him and He is your Father then

> there is some order to living with god as there is order to living

in

> your fathers house. Can you agree to that? "

yes, sure....everything is done through His body....which is all of

us.....of " you " .... " me " .....and if you wish " endless others "

so, i accept a certain " order " .....in knowing and feeling that i'm

not doer of any action....in a perception of world.....

but i don't " seperate " in " good and bad " ....in good president and bad

president.....and...and......

all are equal.....is it not?

this " house " you are talking about.....is it not this whole

world?.....

should you not be endless thankfull so.....for the perception of this

whole world?.....of whole of " God " .....for having " eyes " and body

to " see " all this........?

>

you write:

> " WRONG, what you are saying is there is no order or expected manner

of

> order in this world. Therfore man can exploit as he sees according

> to your premise.

> That , my friend is the essential problem!!!!!!!!!

> Can you not see that? There is no God, man has taken God's

postition. "

....so there is no " God " ...?...yes or no?.....lol

i believe it's you who can't " see " .....who should " open " your

eyes......and whole of your heart......

to " see " yourSelf

(indead...you don't know " God " ....how could you " follow " His " will "

if you even don't " see " Him?.....)

you write:

> " Peace is also an individual's perspective, Geo Bush links peace is

> dropping bombs and then writing paper that men sign in a dark room.

> Your wife might find peace at home watching tv.

> But i never said peace was to stress around to serve others

> expectations. Serve God and Him only, when you serve god the root

of

> tree then all the fruit will be satisfied. Service unto God is not

> stressful. It is the optimum satisfaction to both Him and you,

since

> He returns the service. "

yes.....George Bush is a very good example for somebody who has the

phantasie to " serve God " ......and who surely will never be a good

example of it....

how could ever a " blind " lead a " blind " ?

what you call " service unto God " is to just Be.....in peace...and

have a life in harmony......thats all......

or do you wish and desire something else??

you write:

> " First before " I AM " is the anointing of love. That exchange

takes

> place in the Holy Spirit, in Him. "

yes?.......be thankfull for it

> you write:

> " It's not a question so much of knowledge, but is a question of

> knowing what pleasures Him. Your heart is purified through the

> anointing of love. When your eyes have the eyesalve of love and all

> you do is for His pleasure then you will relish those special

> monments when He speaks to you and sends you signs. It's a personal

> relationship. Nothing can ever take away that pure love. "

.....this " pure love " ...is your inner fire.....burning out all of your

ego-mind.......this take time.......

i understand this your love....and experience same love.....

but please....this love that you feel.....use it....to open the door

to yourSelf.....to infinite emptyness and peace......

don't be " lost " in this love........accept it as a gift.....for

yourself......

to " see " the Self.....your real Self........

then you will " see " this same Self....in everything around.....even

in George Bush.....or " whoever "

....there will be no difference to see George...or a flower....a

tree......the street......a cloud.......a fish......

hope that your will have the right relationship...and

friendship.....and love.....and whatever.....

to all......

ciao dear horse.....

slow down....

it's worth it....

Marc

>

> >

>

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " from

your

> > > waking moment to your rest. 24/7

> > >

> > > hello the freak of words and " God " ,

>

> > you write:

> > " finally a question? Marc. lol

> >

> > Aout pleasing Him, if you are from Him and He is your Father then

> > there is some order to living with god as there is order to

living

> in

> > your fathers house. Can you agree to that? "

>

> yes, sure....everything is done through His body....which is all of

> us.....of " you " .... " me " .....and if you wish " endless others "

>

> so, i accept a certain " order " .....in knowing and feeling that i'm

> not doer of any action....in a perception of world.....

>

> but i don't " seperate " in " good and bad " ....in good president and

bad

> president.....and...and......

> all are equal.....is it not?

>

> this " house " you are talking about.....is it not this whole

> world?.....

> should you not be endless thankfull so.....for the perception of

this

> whole world?.....of whole of " God " .....for having " eyes " and body

> to " see " all this........?

>

> >

> you write:

> > " WRONG, what you are saying is there is no order or expected

manner

> of

> > order in this world. Therfore man can exploit as he sees

according

> > to your premise.

> > That , my friend is the essential problem!!!!!!!!!

> > Can you not see that? There is no God, man has taken God's

> postition. "

>

> ...so there is no " God " ...?...yes or no?.....lol

>

> i believe it's you who can't " see " .....who should " open " your

> eyes......and whole of your heart......

> to " see " yourSelf

>

> (indead...you don't know " God " ....how could you " follow " His " will "

> if you even don't " see " Him?.....)

>

> you write:

>

> > " Peace is also an individual's perspective, Geo Bush links peace

is

> > dropping bombs and then writing paper that men sign in a dark

room.

> > Your wife might find peace at home watching tv.

> > But i never said peace was to stress around to serve others

> > expectations. Serve God and Him only, when you serve god the root

> of

> > tree then all the fruit will be satisfied. Service unto God is

not

> > stressful. It is the optimum satisfaction to both Him and you,

> since

> > He returns the service. "

>

> yes.....George Bush is a very good example for somebody who has the

> phantasie to " serve God " ......and who surely will never be a good

> example of it....

>

> how could ever a " blind " lead a " blind " ?

>

> what you call " service unto God " is to just Be.....in peace...and

> have a life in harmony......thats all......

>

> or do you wish and desire something else??

>

> you write:

> > " First before " I AM " is the anointing of love. That exchange

> takes

> > place in the Holy Spirit, in Him. "

>

> yes?.......be thankfull for it

>

> > you write:

> > " It's not a question so much of knowledge, but is a question of

> > knowing what pleasures Him. Your heart is purified through the

> > anointing of love. When your eyes have the eyesalve of love and

all

> > you do is for His pleasure then you will relish those special

> > monments when He speaks to you and sends you signs. It's a

personal

> > relationship. Nothing can ever take away that pure love. "

>

> ....this " pure love " ...is your inner fire.....burning out all of

your

> ego-mind.......this take time.......

>

> i understand this your love....and experience same love.....

>

> but please....this love that you feel.....use it....to open the

door

> to yourSelf.....to infinite emptyness and peace......

>

> don't be " lost " in this love........accept it as a gift.....for

> yourself......

> to " see " the Self.....your real Self........

>

> then you will " see " this same Self....in everything around.....even

> in George Bush.....or " whoever "

>

> ...there will be no difference to see George...or a flower....a

> tree......the street......a cloud.......a fish......

>

> hope that your will have the right relationship...and

> friendship.....and love.....and whatever.....

>

> to all......

>

> ciao dear horse.....

>

> slow down....

>

> it's worth it....

>

> Marc

>

dear marc,

i will end with one last expression, you will have to see difference

and that certainly love ofGod is not in the spirits of all men/women.

you may see that god haqs made all and orchestrates all but that does

not imply that there are no differences. even as flower and tree are

different. This is not a duality when one sees everything in

relationship to God.

you say " that the gift of God is to see infinate emptyness and

peace " , this is not possible for god is not emply but full of bliss

and knowledge. Your philosophy is singular and sees not the parts

cooperating in harmnony but concludes you seeing harmony. It's one

thing to see or observe a game, it's another to partake and be

active participant.

that 's what is the essence of God's love. To see the lost sheep

together in the promise He has made.

and with that i will ride on,

peace and don't forget to take the horses out for a run.

They will appreciate that more than just standing there looking at

them. seeing them as one with the flower. lol

qu' est ce qui ce passe?

whitehorserides again.

November 28, 2005

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " from

> your

> > > > waking moment to your rest. 24/7

> > > >

> > > > hello the freak of words and " God " ,

> >

> > > you write:

> > > " finally a question? Marc. lol

> > >

> > > Aout pleasing Him, if you are from Him and He is your Father

then

> > > there is some order to living with god as there is order to

> living

> > in

> > > your fathers house. Can you agree to that? "

> >

> > yes, sure....everything is done through His body....which is all

of

> > us.....of " you " .... " me " .....and if you wish " endless others "

> >

> > so, i accept a certain " order " .....in knowing and feeling that

i'm

> > not doer of any action....in a perception of world.....

> >

> > but i don't " seperate " in " good and bad " ....in good president and

> bad

> > president.....and...and......

> > all are equal.....is it not?

> >

> > this " house " you are talking about.....is it not this whole

> > world?.....

> > should you not be endless thankfull so.....for the perception of

> this

> > whole world?.....of whole of " God " .....for having " eyes " and body

> > to " see " all this........?

> >

> > >

> > you write:

> > > " WRONG, what you are saying is there is no order or expected

> manner

> > of

> > > order in this world. Therfore man can exploit as he sees

> according

> > > to your premise.

> > > That , my friend is the essential problem!!!!!!!!!

> > > Can you not see that? There is no God, man has taken God's

> > postition. "

> >

> > ...so there is no " God " ...?...yes or no?.....lol

> >

> > i believe it's you who can't " see " .....who should " open " your

> > eyes......and whole of your heart......

> > to " see " yourSelf

> >

> > (indead...you don't know " God " ....how could you " follow "

His " will "

> > if you even don't " see " Him?.....)

> >

> > you write:

> >

> > > " Peace is also an individual's perspective, Geo Bush links

peace

> is

> > > dropping bombs and then writing paper that men sign in a dark

> room.

> > > Your wife might find peace at home watching tv.

> > > But i never said peace was to stress around to serve others

> > > expectations. Serve God and Him only, when you serve god the

root

> > of

> > > tree then all the fruit will be satisfied. Service unto God is

> not

> > > stressful. It is the optimum satisfaction to both Him and you,

> > since

> > > He returns the service. "

> >

> > yes.....George Bush is a very good example for somebody who has

the

> > phantasie to " serve God " ......and who surely will never be a good

> > example of it....

> >

> > how could ever a " blind " lead a " blind " ?

> >

> > what you call " service unto God " is to just Be.....in peace...and

> > have a life in harmony......thats all......

> >

> > or do you wish and desire something else??

> >

> > you write:

> > > " First before " I AM " is the anointing of love. That exchange

> > takes

> > > place in the Holy Spirit, in Him. "

> >

> > yes?.......be thankfull for it

> >

> > > you write:

> > > " It's not a question so much of knowledge, but is a question of

> > > knowing what pleasures Him. Your heart is purified through the

> > > anointing of love. When your eyes have the eyesalve of love and

> all

> > > you do is for His pleasure then you will relish those special

> > > monments when He speaks to you and sends you signs. It's a

> personal

> > > relationship. Nothing can ever take away that pure love. "

> >

> > ....this " pure love " ...is your inner fire.....burning out all of

> your

> > ego-mind.......this take time.......

> >

> > i understand this your love....and experience same love.....

> >

> > but please....this love that you feel.....use it....to open the

> door

> > to yourSelf.....to infinite emptyness and peace......

> >

> > don't be " lost " in this love........accept it as a gift.....for

> > yourself......

> > to " see " the Self.....your real Self........

> >

> > then you will " see " this same Self....in everything

around.....even

> > in George Bush.....or " whoever "

> >

> > ...there will be no difference to see George...or a flower....a

> > tree......the street......a cloud.......a fish......

> >

> > hope that your will have the right relationship...and

> > friendship.....and love.....and whatever.....

> >

> > to all......

> >

> > ciao dear horse.....

> >

> > slow down....

> >

> > it's worth it....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> dear marc,

>

> i will end with one last expression, you will have to see

difference

> and that certainly love ofGod is not in the spirits of all

men/women.

> you may see that god haqs made all and orchestrates all but that

does

> not imply that there are no differences. even as flower and tree

are

> different. This is not a duality when one sees everything in

> relationship to God.

>

> you say " that the gift of God is to see infinate emptyness and

> peace " , this is not possible for god is not emply but full of bliss

> and knowledge. Your philosophy is singular and sees not the parts

> cooperating in harmnony but concludes you seeing harmony. It's one

> thing to see or observe a game, it's another to partake and be

> active participant.

>

> that 's what is the essence of God's love. To see the lost sheep

> together in the promise He has made.

>

> and with that i will ride on,

>

> peace and don't forget to take the horses out for a run.

>

> They will appreciate that more than just standing there looking at

> them. seeing them as one with the flower. lol

>

> qu' est ce qui ce passe?

>

> whitehorserides again.

hello the best friend of " God " ,

.... " God " is in the spirit of all.....how could anybody be excluded of

this spirit.....?.....

i don't think that you can " select " people like you describe....this

just don't work.........

it's like the " will " to divide yourself in many different categories

and classes....or whatever....

exactly this attitude.....cause endless " fights " around......for

absolutly no real reason.....except ego-mind and selfish reasons

i enjoy same bliss than you....there is only one bliss of " God's

presence " existing......

so by this bliss......how it's possible that you continue to

divide " God " in many different parts?....

you like this play of divisions so much?......

the only " lost sheep " you ever can discover...is yourself......

the essence of God is all there is....here and now

nothing else....

i met many of this ego-minded type......they all think that they are

best friend of God......one has more ego than other....

i can assure you that there is realy nothing special to meet such

attitudes....

it's endless sad how this people are trapped in their

emotions....their (fanatic) believes.....their great attachments......

i live here in same world as you......but i feel also the bliss and

happiness.....of detachment to it.......

there are no words to describe It.....

and i thank you that you moved little further....

wish you a successful missions to find all this lost

sheeps.....lost " in God " ........in themSelf.....

Ramana once said:

" the world is nothing but a thought "

i thought once....why such crazy words?....strange words.....

but....it's true......the world appear to be nothing but a thought....

how to explain this ......if not by inner silence....and bliss.....

Regards and peace

bonne journée.....

qu'est ce qui se passe....?

....je vais disparaître maintenant....dans un océan d'amour...

Marc

>

November 28, 2005

In a message dated 11/28/2005 2:11:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

Now somehow you have said the 'absolute does not know itself', that's

like saying you don't know who you are, quite a foolish premise. It

is valid for explaining that you are not the name or body, but it

stops there.( notice how you give no heed to the Absolute, your

absolute shows no humility to " Supreme Absolute " .)

" whitehorserides "

You don't know who you are, and so it's not a foolish premise at all. You

are that Absolute and your humanity is just a Self created illusion.

The absolute (Awareness) cannot know itself, except through the illusion of

'other', which is what the human illusion is. Awareness is pure subjectivity.

It must have an object through which it can experience Self.

Phil

You can not know the Absolute ___YES,,, PERSONALLY.!

Recommended Posts

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Join the conversation

Support the Ashram

Join Groups