You can not know the Absolute ___YES,,, PERSONALLY.!

[Guest guest]

" bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

Re: You can not know the Absolute ___YES,,, PERSONALLY.!

 

i don't understand your posting.

Why should i fill the blank?

 

 

 

Our friend would have you do love. He cannot know that you are love.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > where is unfulfillment when the Absolute is known as the source

of

> > everything?

> > noone fears love! fear is out of the concept that what you are

can be

> > separeted from love, concept mainteined by religions talking

about

> > heaven and hell. hell is the possibility that what you are can be

> > separeted from love.

> >

>

>

> The question is what is the Absolutes Will?

 

whose is this question?

 

 

it's not a void. You have

> will and will power derived from some where. It manifests in the

> spirit.

 

i have no personal will or free will.do you think that because you

seem to choose a pizza from the menu you have a personal will?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore, since God is Spirit and is the 'Absolute' then He

> too has will.

 

God, the god you describe, is not the Absolute. you think to know

something about but it is not direct knowing, which is equal to being.

 

 

> this is what you must learn to please Him. And the beginning of

> pleasing Him is having Wisdom which is His female expanision. Find

Her

> and you will please Him.

> There is no fear when you are in Her/Him. For there is no hell even

to

> consider since you are a host of the Absolute. or the One True

Spirit.

>

> Religious talk is about God, hell talk is seperate from God the two

> don't mix. Yet to identify with where people are living and what is

> influencing them to do what they do it is necessary to discuss at

their

> level.

 

nothing is separated from God. if you talk ABOUT god hell is a

costant shadow. i listened to many religious talks and i tell you

they perfectly mix with hell, it is unavoidable, even if you are not

conscious of it. and if a hell is there, i guess there will be the

need of someone inside of it to redeme, don't you?

 

> Therefore God sends His sons, these are avatara's or realized sons

whop

> come to speak on His behalf. And Jesus said " I am in the world

but

> not of this World " that is sent son, realized in the Self. But

where is

> the meditation or oneness , it is the active mind focussed on God's

> Word. " Those who please God, ie do His will, will be with me in the

> heavens " . that word is the same word of all Holy men, saints ,

angels,

> hosts of heaven.

 

Jesus? never heard about him...

 

>

> so There is no possibility of hell when one knows God. It's like

having

> a home, you go out, but you know your home and return to it, hence

you

> do not have fear of being left out. That is the comfort of the soul

in

> God, so he knows when he goes out of the body he is still at home

just

> as he left. Hence no fear. This is victory over death as said by

the

> Holy Prophets.

 

yes, your god is your home. the fact is that there is noone inside

this home!!

 

 

> whiterhorse rider

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > where is unfulfillment when the Absolute is known as the source

> of

> > > everything?

> > > noone fears love!

 

 

EXCUSE ME. EVERYBODY IS FEARING LOVE, THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

 

 

fear is out of the concept that what you are

> can be

> > > separeted from love,

 

 

NO, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SEPERATION WHEN ONE IS NOT IN LOVE. ALL

LOVES ON THIS WORLD FALL SHORT OF BEING PERFECT.

PERFECT LOVE IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE FEARING, THEY FEAR THAT IF THEY WERE

TO LOVE gOD WITH ALL THEIR HEART AND MIND, THAT THEY WILL BE CHEATED

JUST LIKE WHEN THEY ARE LIVING IN SO CALLED PHYSICAL LOVE THEY FEAR

LOOSING THAT LOVE.

SO THEREFORE YOU ANALOGY PERTAINS TO THE LOVE OF THIS WORLD, WHICH IS

NOT REALLY LOVE AT ALL BUT ILLUSION.

 

SO GET YOUR FACTS, OR IDEAS STRAIGHT.

WRONG PREMISE LEADS TO WRONG CONCLUSION 1+ 1 IS NOT ONE__ IT'S 2

 

WRONG FEAR IS THE THOUGHT THAT YOU MAY LOOSE SOMETHING

 

>concept mainteined by religions talking

> about

> > > heaven and hell. hell is the possibility that what you are can

be

> > > separeted from love.

 

 

FIRST OFF, EVERYONE IS IN HELL, AND ARE IN SEPERATION. LOOK AROUND!

> > >

> >

> >

> > The question is what is the Absolutes Will?

>

> whose is this question?

>

>

> it's not a void. You have

> > will and will power derived from some where. It manifests in the

> > spirit.

>

> i have no personal will or free will.do you think that because you

> seem to choose a pizza from the menu you have a personal will?

 

 

 

WELL IF I CHOOSE PIZZA AND YOU CHOOSE STEAK , YES I WOULD SAY THAT IS

MY CHOICE. IF YOU TRIED TO TELL A PSYCHOLOGIST THAT YOU DISAGREED HE

MIGHT THINK YOU KOOKOO. lol

Therefore, since God is Spirit and is the 'Absolute' then He

> > too has will.

>

> God, the god you describe, is not the Absolute. you think to know

> something about but it is not direct knowing, which is equal to

being.

>

>

> > this is what you must learn to please Him. And the beginning of

> > pleasing Him is having Wisdom which is His female expanision.

Find

> Her

> > and you will please Him.

> > There is no fear when you are in Her/Him. For there is no hell

even

> to

> > consider since you are a host of the Absolute. or the One True

> Spirit.

> >

> > Religious talk is about God, hell talk is seperate from God the

two

> > don't mix. Yet to identify with where people are living and what

is

> > influencing them to do what they do it is necessary to discuss at

> their

> > level.

>

> nothing is separated from God. if you talk ABOUT god hell is a

> costant shadow. i listened to many religious talks and i tell you

> they perfectly mix with hell, it is unavoidable, even if you are

not

> conscious of it. and if a hell is there, i guess there will be the

> need of someone inside of it to redeme, don't you?

 

 

no WRONG NO ONE CAN REDEEM YOU LEST YOU DESIRE, AND SHOULD YOU

DESIRE AND DO, THEN ONLY GOD CAN REDEEM YOU , MAN CANNOT DO ANYTHING

OF HIS OWN.

 

WHAT YOU HAVE GHEARD BEFORE FROM RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS WIPE THAT OUT OF

YOIUR MIND THEY LIE.

 

>

> > Therefore God sends His sons, these are avatara's or realized

sons

> whop

> > come to speak on His behalf. And Jesus said " I am in the world

> but

> > not of this World " that is sent son, realized in the Self. But

> where is

> > the meditation or oneness , it is the active mind focussed on

God's

> > Word. " Those who please God, ie do His will, will be with me in

the

> > heavens " . that word is the same word of all Holy men, saints ,

> angels,

> > hosts of heaven.

>

> Jesus? never heard about him...

 

THAT'S WHAT YOU SAY.

>

> >

> > so There is no possibility of hell when one knows God. It's like

> having

> > a home, you go out, but you know your home and return to it,

hence

> you

> > do not have fear of being left out. That is the comfort of the

soul

> in

> > God, so he knows when he goes out of the body he is still at home

> just

> > as he left. Hence no fear. This is victory over death as said by

> the

> > Holy Prophets.

>

> yes, your god is your home. the fact is that there is noone inside

> this home!!

 

 

THERE IS BUT ONE GOD NOT TWO, YOU SEEM TO WANT TO SEPARATE GOD, ONLY

ONE WHO DOES NOT RECOGNIZE HIM AS COMMON FATHER OF ALL WILL HAVE A

PROBLEM AND IT APPEARS THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO

SEE HIM AS FATHER, FRIEND AND CONFIDANT. IT APPEARS YOU WANT TO BE

GOD.

 

THAT IS A SPRITUAL SUICIDE.

 

BUT WHEN YOU COME TO THINKING WITH HUMILITY AND ASKING GOD TO FORGIVE

YOUR SIN WAYS THIS WILL OPEN THE CHANNEL OR DOOR. RIGHT NOW THE DOOR

IS LOCKED FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU HAVE DONE

WRONG.

 

YOU MUST REPENT THERE IS NO OTHER WAY, TRYING TO BECOME GOD OR

THINIKING THAT YOU ARE ABSOLUTE AND THERE IS NO SEPERATE WILLS IS

LIKE SAYING I AM YOU AND YOU ARE ME.

 

THANKS BUT NO THANKS YOU CAN KEEP THAT STEAK , I REFRAIN FROM EATING

ANIMALS MYSELF, AND I WILL NOT ACCEPT YOU IMPOSING YOUR WILL ON ME

SEEING YOU THINK IT'S THE SAME.

 

THIS IS YOUR MAYAVADI PHILOSOPHY, BENT IN NIHILISM.

 

 

HEAR CAREFULLY AND USE SOME REASONING. GOD GAVE YOU REASONING AND THE

MIND TWO SEPERATE PARTS OF THE SPIRIT, AND THE SOUL WHICH IS THE EGO

OR PURE SELF OR THE SEAT OF LOVE, AND GOD'S PERFECT EMBRACE.

 

LISTEN TO GURU, NOT BOOBOO.

 

 

allways forgiving and allways a friend

 

 

the whitehorse rider.

[Guest guest]

whitehorserides "

 

The question is what is the Absolutes Will? it's not a void. You have

will and will power derived from some where. It manifests in the

spirit. Therefore, since God is Spirit and is the 'Absolute' then He

too has will.

this is what you must learn to please Him. And the beginning of

pleasing Him is having Wisdom which is His female expanision. Find Her

and you will please Him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You experience an individual sense of will as a natural outcome of

identifying yourself as a human. It's a sense that you have the power to direct

your

own experience, which is not so, since separation is an illusion and there are

no independent beings.

 

That sense of being separate derives from the concept that consciousness is

not fully aware of it's own content, and therefore there is the sense of

unwholeness; incompleteness, which leads to desire as a means to work toward

completing oneself.

 

Since all of this arises from erroneous perception, it would also be

erroneous to assume that what we perceive and need, God must also perceive and

need.

This is the projection of our own ignorance onto spirit outside of illusion.

 

If the Absolute is the totality of all things manifest and unmanifest, where

is the will to fulfill the desire for something that is not already present?

God is not a large man in the sky who wishes to be pleased. Possibly, it's

time to allow that concept to expand a bit.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> whitehorserides "

>

> The question is what is the Absolutes Will? it's not a void. You

have

> will and will power derived from some where. It manifests in the

> spirit. Therefore, since God is Spirit and is the 'Absolute' then

He

> too has will.

> this is what you must learn to please Him. And the beginning of

> pleasing Him is having Wisdom which is His female expanision. Find

Her

> and you will please Him.

You experience an individual sense of will as a natural outcome of

> identifying yourself as a human. It's a sense that you have the

power to direct your

> own experience, which is not so, since separation is an illusion

and there are

> no independent beings.

 

ok phil, let's seperate the thought from the Truth.

 

When you say an individual experiences b/c of identifying as human.

This is correct in that " all are born in sin raised in corruption " .

The sin charater is from the womb coning into cultures of men run by

evil kings. It's the culture of kings of this world that propagate a

false sense of human personality, that is he is body and mind hence

the personal own power or independent thought to direct his/her life.

 

Then you continue to say ''since seperation is an illusion and there

are no independent beings.''

 

This is where the fall out takes place. You move on from this premise

to deny that unique indivuality takes place.

Now i say that even though you may have 3 children and love them

equally, your love is equal and their love comes back to you in an

equal but yet unique and different manner at different times , just

like you apply you r love to them individually. It's not a merge all

in one and they are you and you are them.

Is this difficult to understand?

 

So as you and i are two different beings and we evolve from the same

source hence we are born from, birthed into through the mother, or

female form of the expanded plenary portion being earth. The fertile

ground produces tree, the fertile womb a body. The seed to egg, hence

the fertility and the consciousness and soul occupies. But you cnnot

claim to be me but you can be my brother and i regard as such b/c we

have the same Mother and Father. But i'm me and you are you, eternal

but at no time do we merge or become father or mother.

 

 

>

> That sense of being separate derives from the concept that

consciousness is

> not fully aware of it's own content, and therefore there is the

sense of

> unwholeness; incompleteness, which leads to desire as a means to

work toward

> completing oneself.

 

 

Your words are somewhat different but they may imply the correct and

similar point that, there is a sense of illusion and incompleteness

or unwholeness, even emptiness that leads to many other delusions

even depression, and quite possible the soul- self at some point

desires to find a means to completing itself. Howver in this world

there are few enlightened souls that can actually or genuinely help

those lost or searching to actually find their True Self. Now havein

said that most people do just look for an equal balance to avoid pain

and increase pleasure to find themsleves, and some think they have

found wholeness when they have achieved great wealth or fame.

 

>

> Since all of this arises from erroneous perception, it would also

be

> erroneous to assume that what we perceive and need, God must also

perceive and need.

> This is the projection of our own ignorance onto spirit outside of

illusion.

 

This is where you loose me here, yes if one falsely identifies with

the false ego, then naturally erroneous perceptions come to mind,

and false needs and even that God could have a need, could trip

anyone.

Now this projection of own self styled ignorance (((((onto spirit

outside of illusion))))) i'm not too sure that you haven't said two

of the same in one here, is that spirit , personal spirit? and

outside of illusion, ____how can one who is in illusion project

outside of it. ____b/c outside illusion would imply into 'Reality.'

which looses being sequacious.

 

i need clarification here.

 

 

>

> If the Absolute is the totality of all things manifest and

unmanifest, where

> is the will to fulfill the desire for something that is not

already present?

 

 

 

It's called independent make up from the same foundation. a piece of

bread broken off from the loaf still has the qualities of the loaf,

tastes like it, looks like it, but you can't glue it back together nr

sow it back. lol

 

Even though totallity is there you are wittnessing the sky, moon

stars and sun, people and animals, but what you are implying, is that

the whole consciousness is pervading the entire manifested universe

then you are part of that manifest then God.

Well lets say in you house it's your house you own it all, but yet

you invite a women in and then have 4 little ones. Just because it's

all yours and even though you were there to give seed to make the

little ones there yours too and you may have some of you and your

character in those little ones but you must admit you have made ones

that may share your household and even have some of your thoughts but

you still have also set the rules. which are from your desire for

their to be balance and harmony. You even brough in the women on the

deal and shared in the rules and authoritative role.

Well that's exactly how this world goes on Wisdom God's female

expanision was there from the beginning and shared in with the

Creation and therefore She too as Mother has authority over the

little ones such as the 7 billion here. lol.

 

It's that simple, and is clearly written like that in the Bible. Have

you not read?

 

So to will is a part of the eternal make up, but youdo not become the

Desire or Desired One. or ALL Desire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

> God is not a large man in the sky who wishes to be pleased.

 

 

lolol, that's funny, but yes true. let not God fool you though, He

has many Hosts who represent Him in that sky, lol. God comes in the

Word, He sends or comes in the Flesh and is the Walking Word or in

the hinduland the avatara's are sometimes called book bagavat. Which

means that down through time the knowledge was lost and an incarnate

avatara came to put the book back into words.

 

The hindu's have some intersting thinkers down through time but their

history fails them b/c too many have brought lies and sold delusions

of God with their much speaking and non speaking. India is a very

hurting culture, much b/c they are very rebellious to God, and have

made millions of gods. It is a very large desert.

 

 

Possibly, it's

> time to allow that concept to expand a bit.

 

God is unlimited, HE is the Total expansion, and He doesn't live in a

box. But to be free from all the unessary desires and illusions put

for by unscrupulous, mendacious men who have risen to the heads of

state and lead as though they were gods, working to promote a false

peace and promote personal concepts of freedom. Just look around.

 

Now very few of your eastern guru's are saying anything about the

fools at the top, and they are busy personally promtoting their own

spin of what and who is God and how to know Him or be Him or Not him.

This too is foolishness. The Holy Prophets were not trying to make up

there own spin on God, they were all very consistent and realized in

their realtionship as servants, messengers or sent sons who knew God

through intimate personal relationship. God as Father, not some(((it

or thing))). Don't you like your children to know you as father and

not as an it or thing?

 

Keep all in perspective and come back to earth with more simple

thinking. God is love, learn to love and you will be love even from

Him, and when you experience His love first hand like the Holy

Prophets did, then nothing is more self-soul satisfying than that.

Your children love when you are personal with them, so why should God

be impersonal or an it or a thing. Let Him be God the FAther, and

address Him that way and watch and see if He doesn't respond. God is

only harnessed by your love, you cannot buy His love. You need not

run off to church and give money nor run to Africa and give food.

First God in your own heart and He will direct you from within. As

Jesus said " i do not of my own self but God directs me " that is

where you want to be in your search for True Love.

It's not exclusive to one or two but available to all equally.

And it's free, find someone who can share that with you and you will

find a true friend.

 

ok, peace my friend

 

the whitehorserider

 

 

 

>

> Phil

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil:You experience an individual sense of will as a natural outcome of

> identifying yourself as a human. It's a sense that you have the

power to direct your

> own experience, which is not so, since separation is an illusion

and there are

> no independent beings.

 

 

WH:ok phil, let's seperate the thought from the Truth.

When you say an individual experiences b/c of identifying as human.

This is correct in that " all are born in sin raised in corruption " .

The sin charater is from the womb coning into cultures of men run by

evil kings. It's the culture of kings of this world that propagate a

false sense of human personality, that is he is body and mind hence

the personal own power or independent thought to direct his/her life.

 

 

 

 

Phil:Illusions lead to illusory perception. It's okay. It's not a mistake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WH:Then you continue to say ''since seperation is an illusion and there

are no independent beings.''

This is where the fall out takes place. You move on from this premise

to deny that unique indivuality takes place.

 

 

Phil:Let's separate the thought from the truth.

I believe it was you who " moved on " from what I said. You've never heard me

deny the value of individual experience within the illusion. Had there been

any interest, you would have heard me say precisely the opposite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Phil:> Since all of this arises from erroneous perception, it would also

be

> erroneous to assume that what we perceive and need, God must also

Perceive and need.

> This is the projection of our own ignorance onto spirit outside of

Illusion.

 

WH:This is where you loose me here, yes if one falsely identifies with

the false ego, then naturally erroneous perceptions come to mind,

and false needs and even that God could have a need, could trip

anyone.

 

 

 

Phil:This is where you lose me. Are you saying God might fall into the ego

trap and have a need?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WH:Now this projection of own self styled ignorance (((((onto spirit

outside of illusion))))) i'm not too sure that you haven't said two

of the same in one here, is that spirit , personal spirit? and

outside of illusion, ____how can one who is in illusion project

outside of it. ____b/c outside illusion would imply into 'Reality.'

which looses being sequacious.

 

i need clarification here.

 

 

 

 

Phil:Yeah, that which identifies itself as an individual within the

illusion, projects it's erroneous perceptions onto God. More accurately,

consciousness projects identity within it's own creation, then, from the

perception

gained in that illusion, projects it's needs back onto itself. There were never

any needs to begin with.

 

In any event, this is what you do when you perceive that God, the omnipotent

totality of all that is, has any sort of need,

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Phil:> If the Absolute is the totality of all things manifest and

unmanifest, where

> is the will to fulfill the desire for something that is not

already present?

 

 

 

WH:It's called independent make up from the same foundation. a piece of

bread broken off from the loaf still has the qualities of the loaf,

tastes like it, looks like it, but you can't glue it back together nr

sow it back. lol

 

Even though totallity is there you are wittnessing the sky, moon

stars and sun, people and animals, but what you are implying, is that

the whole consciousness is pervading the entire manifested universe

then you are part of that manifest then God.

 

 

 

Phil:Yes, that's what I'm implying.

The loaf analogy can lead to all sorts of erroneous conclusions. You would

make God in the image of man, with all his needs and desires and propensity to

judge. It is not so. God is not an ego.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Phil:> God is not a large man in the sky who wishes to be pleased.

 

 

WH: lolol, that's funny, but yes true. let not God fool you though, He

has many Hosts who represent Him in that sky, lol. God comes in the

Word, He sends or comes in the Flesh and is the Walking Word or in

the hinduland the avatara's are sometimes called book bagavat. Which

means that down through time the knowledge was lost and an incarnate

avatara came to put the book back into words.

 

 

 

Phil:God doesn't " send " anyone to help us out. What you're witnessing is the

functioning of the totality of consciousness as it seeks it's own wholeness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Phil:Possibly, it's

> time to allow that concept to expand a bit.

 

WH:God is unlimited, HE is the Total expansion, and He doesn't live in a

box. But to be free from all the unessary desires and illusions put

for by unscrupulous, mendacious men who have risen to the heads of

state and lead as though they were gods, working to promote a false

peace and promote personal concepts of freedom. Just look around.

 

 

 

Phil:Your fixation on struggling with the world's power structure isn't

going to serve you. The illusion is called that because it's not what it appears

to be. It's actually a creation of consciousness and it serves no purpose to

struggle with our own creation. In fact, such a focus of consciousness leads

to the perpetuation of struggle. To work for peace is a wonderful expression

of love, but to judge others is to continue the struggle and slow the

evolution of consciousness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WH:Now very few of your eastern guru's are saying anything about the

fools at the top, and they are busy personally promtoting their own

spin of what and who is God and how to know Him or be Him or Not him.

This too is foolishness.

 

 

 

Phil:This is because they understand what I'm attempting to explain to you.

The illusion is not Reality: Not Truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WH:Keep all in perspective and come back to earth with more simple

thinking.

 

 

 

Phil:Yes, Truth is simple. There's no need of complex projections, stories,

fairy tales and fables. The Truth is incomprehensibly simple. Accept this and

the complex, circular, self justifying thinking is no longer necessary.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> Phil:You experience an individual sense of will as a natural

outcome of

> > identifying yourself as a human. It's a sense that you have the

> power to direct your

> > own experience, which is not so, since separation is an illusion

> and there are

> > no independent beings.

>

>

> WH:ok phil, let's seperate the thought from the Truth.

> When you say an individual experiences b/c of identifying as

human.

> This is correct in that " all are born in sin raised in corruption " .

> The sin charater is from the womb coning into cultures of men run

by

> evil kings. It's the culture of kings of this world that propagate

a

> false sense of human personality, that is he is body and mind

hence

> the personal own power or independent thought to direct his/her

life.

>

>

>

>

> Phil:Illusions lead to illusory perception. It's okay. It's not a

mistake.

>

WH:Then you continue to say ''since seperation is an illusion and

there

> are no independent beings.''

> This is where the fall out takes place. You move on from this

premise

> to deny that unique indivuality takes place.

>

>

> Phil:Let's separate the thought from the truth.

> I believe it was you who " moved on " from what I said. You've never

heard me

> deny the value of individual experience within the illusion. Had

there been

> any interest, you would have heard me say precisely the opposite.

 

 

 

_______This is a 'have your cake and eat it too.'

Listen carefully to the words you use then use to unuse or unteach.

 

You say illusions lead to illusory perceptions.

so tell me, if the premise is illusion, then what is 'that' illusion?

Now you say " i deny that there is just one but individual experience

exists.

If it does, then how, in illusions? How is an illusion experienced in

terms or the real world if the real is unreal? phil_____________.

 

 

>

>

> Phil:> Since all of this arises from erroneous perception, it would

also

> be

> > erroneous to assume that what we perceive and need, God must

also

> Perceive and need.

> > This is the projection of our own ignorance onto spirit outside

of

> Illusion.

>

> WH:This is where you loose me here, yes if one falsely identifies

with

> the false ego, then naturally erroneous perceptions come to mind,

> and false needs and even that God could have a need, could trip

> anyone.

>

>

>

> Phil:This is where you lose me. Are you saying God might fall into

the ego

> trap and have a need?

 

 

______no i'm repeating what you said, from the illusory perspective

that may also think that God has needs.

Which he doesn't , but according to the Holy Spirit He has desires,

and they are manifest in Word and Action, which is perfect love.

Similarily the soul is taught by the Holy spirit throught the Holy

Prophets not to need anything b./c God is providing. This is the path

or gateway to transition into the oneness of thought with God.

when needs arise so do conditions hence personal motives. God doesn't

need anything for He owns all. Again back to yor household analogy,

what do you need as father and owner in the house. Nothing you own

all, so what is your need, it's not? But you have desire that your

children love you.

 

Phil , when you remove all concepts of wants, needs, have to's, then

you can clear the path to love, and God will then personally share

His love with you. It's more than just nothing or retracting to the

opne nothing. God is a personal loving Father, you seem to always

slide away back into the conscious nothingness, and void out God.

This is the poison of nihilsim.

i love you , but i need nothing from you. Now if i in your presence

love you and continue to show love, then what will you do? TAKE,

TAKE, TAKE.

>

 

>

>

> WH:Now this projection of own self styled ignorance (((((onto

spirit

> outside of illusion))))) i'm not too sure that you haven't said

two

> of the same in one here, is that spirit , personal spirit? and

> outside of illusion, ____how can one who is in illusion project

> outside of it. ____b/c outside illusion would imply

into 'Reality.'

> which looses being sequacious.

>

> i need clarification here.

>

>

>

>

> Phil:Yeah, that which identifies itself as an individual within

the

> illusion, projects it's erroneous perceptions onto God. More

accurately,

> consciousness projects identity within it's own creation, then,

from the perception

> gained in that illusion, projects it's needs back onto itself.

There were never

> any needs to begin with.

 

 

erroneous perceptions onto God____________This is funny. First off if

it's all illusion then what is this GOD. a thing, an it, a what.

evidently you have some idea of _____the GOD

 

 

Now comes, conscious projection which you appear to first make

individual then you say it was all naught, or nothing b/c it

projected back unto itself.

 

Wo back to your statement of individuality, of which you declared

that there was one, now you express that that one is nothing but a

part of a complete illusion, subsequently no longer individual.

 

So i say you use doubletalk to try to present as if you are

understanding that all is an illusion, i've created my own

experienced illusion through projection but really it's not mine at

all but belongs to God, correct.

And of course you do realize that you have a perception of God,

which is contradictory.

 

ok , so all is one at your place and the kids are doing fine in

thier illusion i presume. so when do you think you will be able to

tell them about this illusion there in at 11,15, 17.

 

And how do you think that will come off? so your kids will be the

illuminated nihilists of there school.

 

And when do you think that they will recommended for the

phsychologist? lol

 

ooooouch, stop it,.... that hurts .....lol

 

 

phil, come back phil, come back, there is still time.

 

being god is tough, you have to absolve every one and all.

 

Let go and be free PHil and let God be and let the love flow,

God is love, hook up with god and let the love of God flow through.

 

Stop trying to masterbate over this conscousness one, projectile

thing.

 

It's like you been launched from the cape and being raped. ok my son

you'll be back and suddenly a burst of flames and there you were into

the ocean a million and one to none. lol dreamer, nothing but a

dreamer.

 

The Holy spirit says, you will being born into the loving embrace of

God's love is like waking up from a bad dream. Yes you are in a dream

but you need not stay there therefore like the morningstar as

prophecied to come who is also th e Prince of Peace with the sword of

God's Word in his mouth will pierce right through that spirit dream

to the soul and divide the two, putting a new spirit in you, you will

awaken from the illusion. Hebrews 4:12 and Ezekiel 11:19,___ 36:26,27.

 

This is prophetic which implies according to the the 2cd advent as

written by the Holy Spirit within Isaiah chaper 11:11.

 

And the next verse implies the involvement of the son. Either all

this is a lie and there is not Bible, and you would not even have the

word God

Jews also do not acknowledge the G_d, but say Hashem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> In any event, this is what you do when you perceive that God, the

omnipotent

> totality of all that is, has any sort of need,

 

 

 

Well now you know that i don't project He has need, but like you as

loving father don't need you kids to work and pay you, but you do

have guidlines and a set of moral rules otherwise they would be like

animals _________________CORRECT_________PHIL ?????????????.

 

YOUR RULES, AND MORAL GUIDE IS YOUR LOVE FOR THEM .

 

 

SO now what, am i wrong, a liar, go ahead call me a fool.

 

then we can part ways and i don't need your love and you don't need

my love and we can all live as non lovers in our own unconscious

state. or is that the God state, of not needing.

 

i really think you should put a sign on your door that says'

 

Nihilist here, i don't need any.________________________lol

 

 

 

help me oh Lord, they've gone crazy_______________!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> Phil_________________needs a magic pill,

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Phil:Let's separate the thought from the truth.

> I believe it was you who " moved on " from what I said. You've never

heard me

> deny the value of individual experience within the illusion. Had

there been

> any interest, you would have heard me say precisely the opposite.

 

 

 

WH:_______This is a 'have your cake and eat it too.'

Listen carefully to the words you use then use to unuse or unteach.

 

You say illusions lead to illusory perceptions.

so tell me, if the premise is illusion, then what is 'that' illusion?

Now you say " i deny that there is just one but individual experience

exists.

If it does, then how, in illusions? How is an illusion experienced in

terms or the real world if the real is unreal? phil_____________.

 

 

 

Phil:Illusion is a creation of consciousness, occurring within

consciousness, the exploration of boundaries of awareness. This exploration

leads to the

expansion of those boundaries and ultimately the realization of Truth. There

is no conflict.

 

 

 

 

WH:Phil:This is where you lose me. Are you saying God might fall into

the ego

> trap and have a need?

 

 

______no i'm repeating what you said, from the illusory perspective

that may also think that God has needs.

Which he doesn't , but according to the Holy Spirit He has desires,

 

 

 

Phil:A game in semantics. Needs and desires are the same. God has neither.

 

 

 

WH:Phil , when you remove all concepts of wants, needs, have to's, then

you can clear the path to love, and God will then personally share

His love with you. It's more than just nothing or retracting to the

opne nothing. God is a personal loving Father, you seem to always

slide away back into the conscious nothingness, and void out God.

This is the poison of nihilsim.

 

 

 

Phil:It's very difficult to have a conversation with you if you refuse to

listen. I know Nihilism was your idea here. Was " conscious nothingness " also

your idea? You never heard that from me.

 

 

 

WH:i love you , but i need nothing from you. Now if i in your presence

love you and continue to show love, then what will you do? TAKE,

TAKE, TAKE.

 

 

 

Phil:More likely I would call the cops. Hehe.

 

 

 

WH:erroneous perceptions onto God____________This is funny. First off if

it's all illusion then what is this GOD. a thing, an it, a what.

evidently you have some idea of _____the GOD

 

 

 

Phil:Is it your impression that someone here is calling God an illusion?

Okay, if you decide to start listening instead of just jabbering, we'll

continue. Otherwise, it seems pointless.

 

Phil