You cannot know the Absolute- - - Creation & Parabrahman

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Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami

 

If a Christian loves another Christian as his brother, there is no greatness

in it. Similarly, there is no greatness if a Hindu loves another Hindu as his

brother. The greatness lies if a Christian loves the Hindu as his brother and

vice-versa. A true Christian must love a true Hindu as his brother and should

treat a wrong Christian as an outsider. Similarly a true Hindu must love a true

Christian as his brother and must treat a wrong Hindu as an outsider. Suppose

you are in white dress. An outsider is also in the white dress, but your own

brother is in blue dress. Based on the colour of the external dress will you

treat the outsider who is in the same colour of the dress as your own brother?

Will you treat your own brother as an outsider because the colour of his dress

is different from your dress? You are recognizing your own brother not by the

external dress but by the internal body in which your own parental blood is

flowing. Similarly, you are recognizing the

outsider as the outsider based on the point that his inner body contains some

other parental blood. Therefore, you must recognize your real brother not by

the external religion but you must recognize your brother by the internal

spirituality. If the spiritual values and levels are coinciding to your stage,

such a devotee is your real brother whether he is a Hindu or a Christian or a

Muslim or a Buddhist. For example take the spiritual value of speaking the

truth. Any person belonging to any religion must be your real brother if he

speaks the truth. You must treat a person as an outsider even if he is

belonging to your religion if he is a liar. The spiritual value is the real

parental blood i.e., descending from the original Godfather. When this is

achieved the universal spirituality becomes meaningful and alive. Therefore,

analyse and judge the spiritual values of other person to make friendship with

him irrespective of his nationality, language, caste, sex, age and

religion. God will be immensely pleased if this attitude is developed. The

main aim of our Universal Spirituality is only to establish such angle of view

in the world. The religion is only external culture, which is related to

language, habits of dress, habits of food and habits of regional styles of life.

The external religion is only ignorance like the covering smoke. The inner

spirituality is like the internal burning flame of fire. The analysis is like

putting on a fan that generates vigorous wind, which blows away all the external

cloud of smoke and makes you visualize the true inner fire, which is the eternal

spirituality.

 

If you realize this internal spiritual knowledge, which is like

the underlying fire, you can see the perfect homogeneity and unifying single

phase. The language differs and therefore, the words differ, but the meaning is

same. The water remains as water, which may be indicated by different words

used by different languages. There is one entity, which is beyond the

imagination. Such entity is called as God or Parabrahman. Such God has no

beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end

must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end

of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore,

the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God

and also for the imaginable item like space. Therefore, the two points, which

are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in

understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God

by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that

God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact

based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable

item like space or energy or creation. This concept has misled people to such a

low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite

energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at

this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end

because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.

 

Such God desired to create this Universe for entertainment. The

very desire itself is the Creation. In view of God this present materialized

universe in only an idea or imagination or the very desire itself. Therefore,

the desire to create the world is itself the desire and also the created world

itself is a desire. Thus the creation, maintenance and dissolution of the

imaginary world are also imaginations or desires. A part of this infinite

creation is the individual soul. The soul is like a drop of the infinite ocean

of imagination or desire of God. Thus, quantitatively the entire ocean of

imagination of God is very huge compared to the tiny soul. Remember that both

the Universe and the tiny soul are made of the same substance called as

imagination or desire. Thus the force of the Universe is far greater than the

force of the soul. Due to such huge quantitative difference of the same phase,

the Universe, which is far stronger than the soul appears as a

materialized entity for the soul. But this infinite ocean of desire, which is

the infinite Universe is a tiny drop compared to the infinite force of God.

Therefore, again due to the same quantitative difference of force the entire

universe is just the very weak imagination from the view of God. Thus

imagination and materialization exist simultaneously true from the point of God

and soul.

 

For the sake of entertainment, God desired to create the Universe.

This statement is in Veda (Sa dviteeya Maicchat). In this statement there is a

very subtle intermediate stage, which is the essence of the desire to create the

Universe. The desire to create the world is like the golden ornament but the

essence of such desire is like the raw gold in which the ornament is not yet

expressed. Such raw essence of the desire is pure awareness. The pure

awareness is a special subtle form of energy, which is not qualified by any

form. Such pure awareness is called as the spirit, which is not qualified and

does not have any attribute. This is called as “Nirguna Brahman”, which means

the pure awareness, which has no reference to the creation of the universe. It

is a very critical and subtle point to recognize the pure awareness. Veda says

that only very very sharp intelligence can grasp that critical state (Drushyate

Tvagraya bhuddhya). Sankara, the topmost genius

among the spiritual preachers could grasp that state and proposed the concept

of Nirguna Brahman or non-qualified pure awareness. Such pure awareness is the

first creation of God (Para Brahman). This first creation is almost as critical

and unimaginable as the very Para Brahman itself. The only difference is that

Para Brahman is absolutely unimaginable for any sharp intelligence, but this

pure awareness is imaginable only for a very sharp intelligence. This pure

awareness is called as Mula Prakriti or Suddha Sattvam or Mula Avidya or Mula

Maya or the Spirit in general. The Para Brahman maintains such spirit and it is

only an associated item and is the first created item. The word Mula means the

first. This spirit is in the form of knowledge. It is aware of itself, which

means that it is knowledge. Knowledge requires both subjective and objective

characteristics. It is subject as well as the object. Therefore, it is called

as knowledge or Sattvam. This knowledge is the

first form of energy. Energy is always active. Action is the characteristic

of Rajas. Such Spirit is unaware of its own creator who is the God. Therefore,

it is having ignorance or Tamas. Thus, the Knowledge itself is action and

ignorance. According to Gita Knowledge is Sattvam (Sattvaat Sanjayate Jnanam),

action is Rajas (Rajah Karmani) and Ignorance is Tamas (Tamastva Jnanajam).

Thus these three qualities are always inseparable. The pure knowledge (Suddha

Sattvam) itself is pure action (Suddha Rajas), which is the pure ignorance

(Suddha Tamas). Thus in the very first instant itself the three qualities are

created simultaneously in the purest state. Since all these three co-exist, it

is called as equilibrium of the three qualities. When the equilibrium is

disturbed various items of awareness result in which the three qualities exist

in various proportions. Such disturbance of the equilibrium resulting in

various distorted items of the three qualities is the very

creation. The various mixtures of these three qualities constitute this

diversified universe, which is meant for the play of the God and for His

entertainment. When the entertainment is over all the three qualities go into

the equilibrium state. Thus the Universe is converted into Mula Prakriti.

 

posted by His servant

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

whitehorserides <green1911 wrote:

The question is what is the Absolutes Will? it's not a void. You have will and

will power derived from some where. It manifests in the spirit. Therefore, since

God is Spirit and is the 'Absolute' then He too has will.

this is what you must learn to please Him. And the beginning of pleasing Him is

having Wisdom which is His female expanision. Find Her and you will please Him.

 

 

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Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

 

whitehorserides <green1911@v...> wrote:

> The question is what is the Absolutes Will? it's not a void. You

have will and will power derived from some where. It manifests in the

spirit. Therefore, since God is Spirit and is the 'Absolute' then He

too has will.

> this is what you must learn to please Him. And the beginning of

pleasing Him is having Wisdom which is His female expanision. Find

Her and you will please Him.

>

 

 

 

With much speaking there can be an impression, but when one talks

in a language that is not common to the ears of the audience the

speaking is wasted. This is the word of the Holy Spirit. God is not

the author of confusion.

While i understand the datta's attempt to be nice and bring together

his idea of truth, he continues to rattle on in words that would bore

an English audience who is not impressed with all kinds of

expression from a foreign language.

And ultimately all he speaks about is knowlege or divisions and make

up of the world according to hindhuism.

 

All in all he avoids the essence of the question which is directed at

God's will, and personal loving service. Perhaps you should go find

another buch of words from datta.

 

If you notice my answer to the former from where you took this quote

addressed the essence of the subject of love.

 

your datta swami does not even come close to anything which is

personal and loving, just words lost in the ether.

 

Read again , surya.

 

beware of what is lotus and what is bogus.

 

not desiring to offend but wanting to put in perspective what is.

 

 

your friend

in God

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> dear friend

>

> Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami

>

> If a Christian loves another Christian as his brother, there is

no greatness in it. Similarly, there is no greatness if a Hindu

loves another Hindu as his brother. The greatness lies if a

Christian loves the Hindu as his brother and vice-versa. A true

Christian must love a true Hindu as his brother and should treat a

wrong Christian as an outsider. Similarly a true Hindu must love a

true Christian as his brother and must treat a wrong Hindu as an

outsider. Suppose you are in white dress. An outsider is also in

the white dress, but your own brother is in blue dress. Based on the

colour of the external dress will you treat the outsider who is in

the same colour of the dress as your own brother? Will you treat

your own brother as an outsider because the colour of his dress is

different from your dress? You are recognizing your own brother not

by the external dress but by the internal body in which your own

parental blood is flowing. Similarly, you are recognizing the

> outsider as the outsider based on the point that his inner body

contains some other parental blood. Therefore, you must recognize

your real brother not by the external religion but you must recognize

your brother by the internal spirituality. If the spiritual values

and levels are coinciding to your stage, such a devotee is your real

brother whether he is a Hindu or a Christian or a Muslim or a

Buddhist. For example take the spiritual value of speaking the

truth. Any person belonging to any religion must be your real

brother if he speaks the truth. You must treat a person as an

outsider even if he is belonging to your religion if he is a liar.

The spiritual value is the real parental blood i.e., descending from

the original Godfather. When this is achieved the universal

spirituality becomes meaningful and alive. Therefore, analyse and

judge the spiritual values of other person to make friendship with

him irrespective of his nationality, language, caste, sex, age and

> religion. God will be immensely pleased if this attitude is

developed. The main aim of our Universal Spirituality is only to

establish such angle of view in the world. The religion is only

external culture, which is related to language, habits of dress,

habits of food and habits of regional styles of life. The external

religion is only ignorance like the covering smoke. The inner

spirituality is like the internal burning flame of fire. The

analysis is like putting on a fan that generates vigorous wind, which

blows away all the external cloud of smoke and makes you visualize

the true inner fire, which is the eternal spirituality.

>

> If you realize this internal spiritual knowledge,

which is like the underlying fire, you can see the perfect

homogeneity and unifying single phase. The language differs and

therefore, the words differ, but the meaning is same. The water

remains as water, which may be indicated by different words used by

different languages. There is one entity, which is beyond the

imagination. Such entity is called as God or Parabrahman. Such God

has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The

beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable

item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the

creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end

are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the

imaginable item like space. Therefore, the two points, which are the

beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in

understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the

God

> by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may

think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the

creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have

imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation.

This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think

that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite

creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this

juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no

end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are

also unimaginable.

>

> Such God desired to create this Universe for

entertainment. The very desire itself is the Creation. In view of

God this present materialized universe in only an idea or imagination

or the very desire itself. Therefore, the desire to create the world

is itself the desire and also the created world itself is a desire.

Thus the creation, maintenance and dissolution of the imaginary world

are also imaginations or desires. A part of this infinite creation

is the individual soul. The soul is like a drop of the infinite

ocean of imagination or desire of God. Thus, quantitatively the

entire ocean of imagination of God is very huge compared to the tiny

soul. Remember that both the Universe and the tiny soul are made of

the same substance called as imagination or desire. Thus the force

of the Universe is far greater than the force of the soul. Due to

such huge quantitative difference of the same phase, the Universe,

which is far stronger than the soul appears as a

> materialized entity for the soul. But this infinite ocean of

desire, which is the infinite Universe is a tiny drop compared to the

infinite force of God. Therefore, again due to the same quantitative

difference of force the entire universe is just the very weak

imagination from the view of God. Thus imagination and

materialization exist simultaneously true from the point of God and

soul.

>

> For the sake of entertainment, God desired to create

the Universe. This statement is in Veda (Sa dviteeya Maicchat). In

this statement there is a very subtle intermediate stage, which is

the essence of the desire to create the Universe. The desire to

create the world is like the golden ornament but the essence of such

desire is like the raw gold in which the ornament is not yet

expressed. Such raw essence of the desire is pure awareness. The

pure awareness is a special subtle form of energy, which is not

qualified by any form. Such pure awareness is called as the spirit,

which is not qualified and does not have any attribute. This is

called as " Nirguna Brahman " , which means the pure awareness, which

has no reference to the creation of the universe. It is a very

critical and subtle point to recognize the pure awareness. Veda says

that only very very sharp intelligence can grasp that critical state

(Drushyate Tvagraya bhuddhya). Sankara, the topmost genius

> among the spiritual preachers could grasp that state and proposed

the concept of Nirguna Brahman or non-qualified pure awareness. Such

pure awareness is the first creation of God (Para Brahman). This

first creation is almost as critical and unimaginable as the very

Para Brahman itself. The only difference is that Para Brahman is

absolutely unimaginable for any sharp intelligence, but this pure

awareness is imaginable only for a very sharp intelligence. This

pure awareness is called as Mula Prakriti or Suddha Sattvam or Mula

Avidya or Mula Maya or the Spirit in general. The Para Brahman

maintains such spirit and it is only an associated item and is the

first created item. The word Mula means the first. This spirit is

in the form of knowledge. It is aware of itself, which means that it

is knowledge. Knowledge requires both subjective and objective

characteristics. It is subject as well as the object. Therefore, it

is called as knowledge or Sattvam. This knowledge is the

> first form of energy. Energy is always active. Action is the

characteristic of Rajas. Such Spirit is unaware of its own creator

who is the God. Therefore, it is having ignorance or Tamas. Thus,

the Knowledge itself is action and ignorance. According to Gita

Knowledge is Sattvam (Sattvaat Sanjayate Jnanam), action is Rajas

(Rajah Karmani) and Ignorance is Tamas (Tamastva Jnanajam). Thus

these three qualities are always inseparable. The pure knowledge

(Suddha Sattvam) itself is pure action (Suddha Rajas), which is the

pure ignorance (Suddha Tamas). Thus in the very first instant itself

the three qualities are created simultaneously in the purest state.

Since all these three co-exist, it is called as equilibrium of the

three qualities. When the equilibrium is disturbed various items of

awareness result in which the three qualities exist in various

proportions. Such disturbance of the equilibrium resulting in

various distorted items of the three qualities is the very

> creation. The various mixtures of these three qualities

constitute this diversified universe, which is meant for the play of

the God and for His entertainment. When the entertainment is over

all the three qualities go into the equilibrium state. Thus the

Universe is converted into Mula Prakriti.

>

> posted by His servant

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

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