Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 > i think that there is difference of the " understanding " > of " Namaste " ... bonjour marc, not only have i been to India, but i was an intiated brahman as well. i have a very good understanding of most of the major paths of hindhuism. And namaste comes from sanskrit ___nama is name ___and ste is 'in his name' referring to the god and most typically the krishna or vishnu god, depending on your affiliation. Now many names address their many gods but in most their is some type of worship for particular benefits. However the mayavadi impersonalist philosophy which appears to be coming here, is a schism from all the gods stuff. And was very popular for sometime and spread through india. Buddhism was also originally a personal philosophy but it became contaminated by others who preached the impersonal philophy as well. so from God comes everything and nothing and all in between but there remains also something when all is said and done. That is why meditation can be good to understand that you are spiritual but it does not advance one to the level of prema which is love in god and with god, in the relationship of the loved and the lover. This is why the solo flight is lonely at the top. immersed in that one you become detached as i said and you even can feel free from doing. This is not love, or realized love it is lost in oneness. lol > > as far i know....it just mean " i bow to your inner Self " ....kind > of...... > people in Nepal as for example use this to say " hello " ..... > this already show....that they are endless more advanced > in " spirit " ........no question about. > > (if you realy would be interested in meeting people of deep > spirit.......have a travel to India, Nepal.......as for example) > > your words, indead, sounds very philosophic.....and it seem that you > build up kind of own philosophy.........interesting.......but why you > don't get any satisfaction with it?..... > > lol i do very much and am thoroughly enjoying this opportunity to speak or type. It is not my own kind of philosophy, it is all backed by what the Holy Prophets, saints, angels lived like and wrote. > there is nothing but God in a world perception...... > so, how could anybody don't " serve " inside this?..... > (still didn't get any answer from you.....but i suppose that your > philosophy don't know any concret answer to this) i have answered this, but it does not appear that you understand the answer. Man does not see God they see what God has provided them , hence how they can enjoy it. But God provides so that you can enjoy in it with Him. You must understand ____WITH___ that is key here. He will open up to you that you will enjoy with Him in His creation. > > i see and i know that you expect a " bonus " from God....for all this > your wonderful " serving " ....... ____)_wrong , i don't expect, i'm experiencing the love as in doing. > > and exactly this is (one of) your problem(s) ____your misperception > > you ask about pure love.....and " pure consciousness " ..... > > pure love is the pure knowledge that " you " are One with all..... > so " pure consciousness " brings you out of this illusion " to be this > or that " .......but to " I am " Perhaps this is a point of contention here. This " I am " you speak of comes from " I AM THAT I AM " . Now God said this to Moses, go and tell that " I AM " sent you. so what is this " I AM " ? THe answer is God's Word is THAT I AM. God is The Word, The Truth, The Way, which all culminates in " THAT I AM " . so be that premise of " I AM " then there is cause for action and result or cause and effect. So to is wrong action receives wrong effect. THat is not difficult but falls under common sense of the laws of karma. That is the teachings of the " I AM " . you cannot become that " I AM " unless you live according to Him. Now first you must know the right way to live to be in " THAT I AM " . The Holy Prophets live in that " I AM " and god reciprocates. That is Holy Prophets __prophecy, that means they know past present and future when god speaks so it is . Or when the HOLY Prophets speak so it is because they are one with GOD. These are the words of Jesus,and not my own concotion, as you may think. > > i don't try to describe anything......because it's impossible to > describe the truth..... No , that's not true, you may know Truth , but you may not know God in Full. > > all words which could describe the truth must sound like great > jokes.......because there is absolutly nothing which is not encluded > in the truth........ Whaever is not truth is not from God, it may be that is in the world, which is God's but not on the favourable side. Just like you are in your fathers house you receive punishment and your brother doesn't . He gets the benefit of dinner yuo don't but you are sitll in the house. Therefore you may feel left out but your not. so is it like in this world, you can either be in God's favour or outside it even though you are in the house. > > so....silence is only expression i know....to live the (in) truth..... > > if you could meditate....you would make the experience that you will > never anymore miss something.......except yourSelf......when you are > not aware of. Like i said it's ok to meditate, and millions of people do but it is a means to an end, not the end of a means. > > oui....les pensées...les mots.......ce n'est rien, comparé à la vrai > vie > > ce n'est que le " passe temps " pour les intellectuels....qui sont > perdus dans leurs illusions d'être " QUELQU'UN " i agree, but a jnani is also another type of person searching for truth. Ultimately he becomes so toxic trying to figure out God that he dies trying. Like the illusion of water on the desert caused by the mirage of the heat off the desert. As one approaches it keeps getting further away until the ass dies thinking that he will eventually get to the water, lololol. ole hindhu 'guru' story they love to tell, lol. > > lalalilola > > Marc > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > best friend of God, .....slowly understand why your mind is sooo much troubled.....you read soo many scriptures and books and words of Prophets and Saints and Gurus and ....and........that you can't anymore.....know yourSelf thats, indead....and still....your own problem......i mean, your path that You need to go.......in order to get out of this trouble and confusions.... you started with endless bubbles of love....trying to make a big love- show.....trying to " explain " that you are in love to God.....that you know everything....and so on.... but you see.....slowly we find out the truth about this your mountain of confusions........ scriptures and books and philosophy can be helpfull to keep on being on the path........but the path, nobody else than yourself, need to do...... as i see.....you prefer to stay there.....proud like a mountain......and tell people that you saw God........and know Him......... instead to follow your path....until the end..... i have a Guru, yes......i prefered to meet a realized person, instead to read about the truth only..... he is no more in his body now...... i know what is a realized person is about......and what is the love of a realized person..... such a " person " ......is filled up......by whole of body mind and intellect....with love...... no words are necessary to " see " and " feel " the love of such a realized " person " .... and i also met, i told you, many ego-minded people..... " who " think that they know....something.......or that they studdied something........and that they are something......and somebody...... being endless proud of it........ the truth, after all, is " here and now " ......... if it's possible to percieve this truth....constantly....thats realization...... .....but yes....thats " another world " .......surely not the one....that you wish to " serve in " .... you should delete all what you know .....to get back to yourSelf Namaste Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 In a message dated 11/29/2005 11:50:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: You can not know the Absolute, Yes but Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > best friend of God, .....slowly understand why your mind is sooo much troubled.....you read soo many scriptures and books and words of Prophets and Saints and Gurus and ....and........that you can't anymore.....know yourSelf thats, indead....and still....your own problem......i mean, your path that You need to go.......in order to get out of this trouble and confusions.... you started with endless bubbles of love....trying to make a big love- show.....trying to " explain " that you are in love to God.....that you know everything....and so on.... but you see.....slowly we find out the truth about this your mountain of confusions........ scriptures and books and philosophy can be helpfull to keep on being on the path........but the path, nobody else than yourself, need to do...... as i see.....you prefer to stay there.....proud like a mountain......and tell people that you saw God........and know Him......... instead to follow your path....until the end..... i have a Guru, yes......i prefered to meet a realized person, instead to read about the truth only..... he is no more in his body now...... i know what is a realized person is about......and what is the love of a realized person..... such a " person " ......is filled up......by whole of body mind and intellect....with love...... no words are necessary to " see " and " feel " the love of such a realized " person " .... and i also met, i told you, many ego-minded people..... " who " think that they know....something.......or that they studdied something........and that they are something......and somebody...... being endless proud of it........ the truth, after all, is " here and now " ......... if it's possible to percieve this truth....constantly....thats realization...... .....but yes....thats " another world " .......surely not the one....that you wish to " serve in " .... you should delete all what you know .....to get back to yourSelf Namaste Marc True words, from my perception also, but one cannot delete what one thinks one knows, can one? We would have it so because we know it to be even more of an obstruction than our own thoughts, but we all must begin from where we are and take the next step. Thinkingness evolves as a matter of awareness rather than the reverse, and this will proceed as it will, although you and I are a part of that evolution as well, since there is only one thing happening here. I see a man in love with a savior rather than the Truth. He reaches out in his humanness to embrace his image of God and this image does, in fact, embrace him in return, and he feels that embrace to the extent that he is capable of knowing it's meaning to him. This willingness and dedication can be honored, even while the arrogance is known to be the prison in which he locks himself for now. All such illusory explorations eventually come full circle and devour themselves in their own good time. We build our walls large and strong, and then one day God breathes a sigh, and it all comes tumbling down. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/29/2005 11:50:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> > Re: You can not know the Absolute, Yes but > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > best friend of God, > > ....slowly understand why your mind is sooo much troubled.....you > read soo many scriptures and books and words of Prophets and Saints > and Gurus and ....and........that you can't anymore.....know yourSelf > > thats, indead....and still....your own problem......i mean, your path > that You need to go.......in order to get out of this trouble and > confusions.... > > you started with endless bubbles of love....trying to make a big love- > show.....trying to " explain " that you are in love to God.....that you > know everything....and so on.... > > but you see.....slowly we find out the truth about this your mountain > of confusions........ > > scriptures and books and philosophy can be helpfull to keep on being > on the path........but the path, nobody else than yourself, need to > do...... > > as i see.....you prefer to stay there.....proud like a > mountain......and tell people that you saw God........and know > Him......... > > instead to follow your path....until the end..... > > i have a Guru, yes......i prefered to meet a realized person, instead > to read about the truth only..... > he is no more in his body now...... > > i know what is a realized person is about......and what is the love > of a realized person..... > > such a " person " ......is filled up......by whole of body mind and > intellect....with love...... > > no words are necessary to " see " and " feel " the love of such a > realized " person " .... > > and i also met, i told you, many ego-minded people..... " who " think > that they know....something.......or that they studdied > something........and that they are something......and somebody...... > being endless proud of it........ > > the truth, after all, is " here and now " ......... > > if it's possible to percieve this truth....constantly....thats > realization...... > > ....but yes....thats " another world " .......surely not the one....that > you wish to " serve in " .... > > you should delete all what you know .....to get back to yourSelf > > Namaste > > Marc > > > > True words, from my perception also, but one cannot delete what one thinks > one knows, can one? We would have it so because we know it to be even more of > an obstruction than our own thoughts, but we all must begin from where we are > and take the next step. Thinkingness evolves as a matter of awareness rather > than the reverse, and this will proceed as it will, although you and I are a > part of that evolution as well, since there is only one thing happening here. > > I see a man in love with a savior rather than the Truth. He reaches out in > his humanness to embrace his image of God and this image does, in fact, embrace > him in return, and he feels that embrace to the extent that he is capable of > knowing it's meaning to him. > > This willingness and dedication can be honored, even while the arrogance is > known to be the prison in which he locks himself for now. All such illusory > explorations eventually come full circle and devour themselves in their own > good time. We build our walls large and strong, and then one day God breathes a > sigh, and it all comes tumbling down. > > Phil thanks for the nice message... it happen that one loose false " indentification " ...on the path.... this has something to do also...with false knowledge.... knowledge is good ....specially spiritual knowledge....and it it's really necessary to " grow " .....in peace and harmony......until the " awareness of Oneness " .....and then to do some " practice " .....inside this percieved Oneness.... so....depending how big is the ego-mind.....as big will also be the task....to bring order in the this big world.... when the ego-mind disappear.......the world, as something " real " .....also disappear....... it's true.... " God " can't let enter a big ego-minded (world)......inside paradise.......(inside) Himself........ some tasks are there , indead for such proud people...... Regards and peace Marc > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:47 PM Re: You can not know the Absolute, Yes but In a message dated 11/29/2005 11:50:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: You can not know the Absolute, Yes but Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > best friend of God, ....slowly understand why your mind is sooo much troubled.....you read soo many scriptures and books and words of Prophets and Saints and Gurus and ....and........that you can't anymore.....know yourSelf thats, indead....and still....your own problem......i mean, your path that You need to go.......in order to get out of this trouble and confusions.... you started with endless bubbles of love....trying to make a big love- show.....trying to " explain " that you are in love to God.....that you know everything....and so on.... but you see.....slowly we find out the truth about this your mountain of confusions........ scriptures and books and philosophy can be helpfull to keep on being on the path........but the path, nobody else than yourself, need to do...... as i see.....you prefer to stay there.....proud like a mountain......and tell people that you saw God........and know Him......... instead to follow your path....until the end..... i have a Guru, yes......i prefered to meet a realized person, instead to read about the truth only..... he is no more in his body now...... i know what is a realized person is about......and what is the love of a realized person..... such a " person " ......is filled up......by whole of body mind and intellect....with love...... no words are necessary to " see " and " feel " the love of such a realized " person " .... and i also met, i told you, many ego-minded people..... " who " think that they know....something.......or that they studdied something........and that they are something......and somebody...... being endless proud of it........ the truth, after all, is " here and now " ......... if it's possible to percieve this truth....constantly....thats realization...... ....but yes....thats " another world " .......surely not the one....that you wish to " serve in " .... you should delete all what you know .....to get back to yourSelf Namaste Marc True words, from my perception also, but one cannot delete what one thinks one knows, can one? We would have it so because we know it to be even more of an obstruction than our own thoughts, but we all must begin from where we are and take the next step. Thinkingness evolves as a matter of awareness rather than the reverse, and this will proceed as it will, although you and I are a part of that evolution as well, since there is only one thing happening here. I see a man in love with a savior rather than the Truth. He reaches out in his humanness to embrace his image of God and this image does, in fact, embrace him in return, and he feels that embrace to the extent that he is capable of knowing it's meaning to him. This willingness and dedication can be honored, even while the arrogance is known to be the prison in which he locks himself for now. All such illusory explorations eventually come full circle and devour themselves in their own good time. We build our walls large and strong, and then one day God breathes a sigh, and it all comes tumbling down. Phil On a particular day, it could be today, and now, the last arrogance is revealed: the seeker. The last bit of not-love in the form of seeking is understood: there is only Love, <the world as it is>, the Lover <the individual body-mind> and the Beloved <This, known in the Spirit>. The trinity of the 'individual' Soul (body-mind) is completed. We see we are, always have been One and we greet each other in that Being-ness and recognize it in 'other' by saying Namaste......The One knows the experience of Two. Namaste Phil and Marc. In Love, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > ADHHUB@A... > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:47 PM > Re: You can not know the Absolute, Yes but > > > > In a message dated 11/29/2005 11:50:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> > Re: You can not know the Absolute, Yes but > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > best friend of God, > > ....slowly understand why your mind is sooo much troubled.....you > read soo many scriptures and books and words of Prophets and Saints > and Gurus and ....and........that you can't anymore.....know yourSelf > > thats, indead....and still....your own problem......i mean, your path > that You need to go.......in order to get out of this trouble and > confusions.... > > you started with endless bubbles of love....trying to make a big love- > show.....trying to " explain " that you are in love to God.....that you > know everything....and so on.... > > but you see.....slowly we find out the truth about this your mountain > of confusions........ > > scriptures and books and philosophy can be helpfull to keep on being > on the path........but the path, nobody else than yourself, need to > do...... > > as i see.....you prefer to stay there.....proud like a > mountain......and tell people that you saw God........and know > Him......... > > instead to follow your path....until the end..... > > i have a Guru, yes......i prefered to meet a realized person, instead > to read about the truth only..... > he is no more in his body now...... > > i know what is a realized person is about......and what is the love > of a realized person..... > > such a " person " ......is filled up......by whole of body mind and > intellect....with love...... > > no words are necessary to " see " and " feel " the love of such a > realized " person " .... > > and i also met, i told you, many ego-minded people..... " who " think > that they know....something.......or that they studdied > something........and that they are something......and somebody...... > being endless proud of it........ > > the truth, after all, is " here and now " ......... > > if it's possible to percieve this truth....constantly....thats > realization...... > > ....but yes....thats " another world " .......surely not the one....that > you wish to " serve in " .... > > you should delete all what you know .....to get back to yourSelf > > Namaste > > Marc > > > > True words, from my perception also, but one cannot delete what one thinks > one knows, can one? We would have it so because we know it to be even more of > an obstruction than our own thoughts, but we all must begin from where we are > and take the next step. Thinkingness evolves as a matter of awareness rather > than the reverse, and this will proceed as it will, although you and I are a > part of that evolution as well, since there is only one thing happening here. > > I see a man in love with a savior rather than the Truth. He reaches out in > his humanness to embrace his image of God and this image does, in fact, embrace > him in return, and he feels that embrace to the extent that he is capable of > knowing it's meaning to him. > > This willingness and dedication can be honored, even while the arrogance is > known to be the prison in which he locks himself for now. All such illusory > explorations eventually come full circle and devour themselves in their own > good time. We build our walls large and strong, and then one day God breathes a > sigh, and it all comes tumbling down. > > Phil > > > On a particular day, it could be today, and now, the last arrogance is revealed: the seeker. The last bit of > not-love in the form of seeking is understood: there is only Love, <the world as it is>, the Lover <the individual > body-mind> and the Beloved <This, known in the Spirit>. The trinity of the 'individual' Soul (body-mind) is > completed. > > We see we are, always have been One and we greet each other in that Being-ness and recognize it in 'other' > by saying Namaste......The One knows the experience of Two. > > Namaste Phil and Marc. > > In Love, > Ana Namaste Ana, i hope that you " understand " yourSelf what you are writing.... (i'm trusting your Self.... your words, i think, mostly are understood by " seekers " who live in same world than you.....means, on same kind of path....and so, kind of seeking..... do you realy believe that the path take an end....by reaching " love " ....?.... do you realy believe that's It?.... let's have a look sure, as long there is a need to share " love " ....there is a " reason " why.....a need to percieve " others " .....in the imaginary ego-minded worldly percepetion.... i don't live and " feel " in this your world....even if i appear to .... i love Ana....like i love the flower, the tree, the fish, the sky, the ocean, the clouds, George, white horse, ....and all. why?.... because all appear by same Self to love the Self is not possible.....except outside this dream-world outside this dream world.....all Is love.....no more possible " to love " ..... are you " outside the limits " ?.......then, you are love....indead love and peace Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/29/2005 11:50:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> > Re: You can not know the Absolute, Yes but > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > best friend of God, > > ....slowly understand why your mind is sooo much troubled.....you > read soo many scriptures and books and words of Prophets and Saints > and Gurus and ....and........that you can't anymore.....know yourSelf > > thats, indead....and still....your own problem......i mean, your path > that You need to go.......in order to get out of this trouble and > confusions.... good am marc and friends. i guess you like to intercourse with me and just see what's up. yes , i'm up and i have read your friendly post. lol. YOu must think by writing to me you care or i will wake up to your way of thinking. It's an interesting thought, which you might reply don't think or once your thought is, it's soon past and is no longer, and all kinds of words to just explain away the here and now for the Is. You know perhaps, since you think i know alot of words that i might even be expert and explaining away what your theories are about what is and isn't. And you might be right. However, here you say i may be reading too much, about scriptures, books.........etc that i have forgotten myself. That's quite funny, i can assure you i've read very little comparitively with 99% of people in this forum. It's not that i read alot at all, but it's tht i listen well. Why should i read when i listen. Do you read the Bible, i didn't , i listened to God. When i open the Bible i'm not observing or trying to use my subjective mind to understand. That could be the difference, _____do you understand that marc? When you are taught as a child that blue is blue, and now you are 30 do you try to understand blue or just accept it is blue? So consider you have a trained mind to know blue then you have channeled acceptance, correct? Now does blue effect you in any way could be a reasonable question. For instance let's say you are told God is blue and every time you see blue you are seeing a manifestation of God, so then your mind is trained to see and on auto pilot think God. correct. So what what about hearing or seeing or learning or being all imply an active principal, that is life, or of the living , correct. so you cannot deny that life implies action of some kind. The universe is in motion , therefore it's alive, that's not difficult for thesimple mind. Howvever scientists keep reminding people there is no life beyond earth that moon is just rocks and so on. So the world here's so called authority and is trained there is no life beyond earth as yet. But aa simple mind can understand that if something is moving then there are reasons for moving hence the deduction is the universe is alive. So what is alive, what is moving, what is cause and effect. Is it all energy, why are some people admitting that there is energy and differences in body mass but denying that the difference is significant. This is the proposed theory of impersonal theory or even premise for nihilism. Considering a practioner of one who says slow down and relax you have no need of anything. Consider India, the land of extreme poverty and of little belongings. And there is this one such person who has very little and by his speaking and sitting doing less than most , almost nothing and saying nothing except to be still, that it impresses upon one who is caught up in a a busy capitolistic life running to and fro and suddenly the light switch goes off and they see that here is a man with nothing yet appears so content with that nothing. WoW , just see how enlightened he is with his nothing,___ " " " let me try " " " wow , it feels so good to be at this still moment.___Essentilly marc , what you have done is alter, your pattern of busy to stillness and it changes some of the chemical balance in your blood and you think it's WAY COOL. So how this does fit you, but does not fit another, who's busy making his way down the road of materialism, yet he finds his chemical feeling of WOW That feeLs GOOd while having sex 3 times, sorry to use that but that extreme eg is still appropriate for the analogy. You see Marc, what appears for one to be in some state or altered state or " spirit feeling " , may be good for one but not another. This is the perfect workings of the concept put forth be the illusory forces of evil. However, you want to hear this it is, wherever there are differences and confusion there is a dynamic energy that propels the spirit to act out, defend or propose or to be involved in so way otherwise roll over and play dead. Imagine you go to a busy city like new york or paris and there you find this man, dressed in wersern attire, on the street sitting and saying, be still, don't move listen now imagine not thinking. Try if you can. What would you do? What do most people do? So before i need to ramble on can you understand the so called guru in a long dress, sitting in a large room, talking with some accent and saying things like like stop, be still and there are hundreds of people who paid 10$ to look stare and listen, and say wow. Why did he have an effect and the guy on the street was just oh well some westerner maybe a bum, looking for handouts. did the guru just make bum life look better in a big room, like a better marking plan. look and sound better with soft words and people paid attention, caused they paid to pay attention, so the message went into the mind. mysticism can fool many just the word sounds of so Way COOL. guru, swami, bajan , satsang , even better than peace love and joy. ____why? b/c there foreign and there is no attachment to what the have preciously meant. Todays leaders use, peace, freedom, love, joy and they lie drop bombs and steal. Therefore those words are dressed, clothed with hate, anger, pain, and your mind does not get the right feeling about one who uses these words. Therefore your tendency due to a patterned way of thinking is to doubt anyone who speaks of peace, harmony, love and compassion, kindness, ___why? Because of conditioning Marc, do you follow this? So now comes guruji, swamiji and it all sound so sweet. Yes , Go to india and mingle you will hear much about all the liars in the name of meditation or God and practioners and back biters, and snakes and in that culture, you may just be very skeptical about who is for real and who is not? follow? Many have become enamored b/c of imagery and association. Just see how the so called Dalia lama gets all kinds of world class attention from the heads of state, in his long flowing robes. So by association the mind is allready in some accepting the mystic behind the dress, now comes yogi, guru, swami and all his expertise of many years of living with nothing and practicing non materialistic life and then he impresses many people and he sits back and laughs and even looks more detached than before and the money is good the food is good the followers are plenty and that's good, adoration , distinction and he even gets better at his act, adn the western world is in awe, WOW look he is my guruji, who's yours, well mine says this and look at him, now i'm like him me too, just see me. You may think i'm rambling but you all need a lesson on what is Truth and what is not. Your are very easily tricked b/c the mind is fickle, being egged on by the soul for love, peace and harmony. So yes when you turn the mind inward it wants to settle dowm into peace. Now consider all the paths to peace, the 'road to peace in the middle east', not too peaceful is it , but the words are used. Try 'meditation' ok suits you and your way what about 'hatha yoga'. does that conjure up thoughts of peace? How about " still waters run deep " , or " guru,samadhi bagavan da " perhaps " om me om me " . so words are what they are and some hear are saying language is nothing , means nothing just 'be', and then go on to more 'be', or just 'it' or just 'I'. it's like just take away all or as much as you can, 'less is more', or 'slow down and go faster', perhaps youthink that's good for me. but you know where i am in all this, " The Word is sharp, like a twoedged sword, it discerns to the dividing of the soul and spirit, and understands the intent of the heart. " i embrace that Word, therefore though you think i'm restless and there is too much thinking, therein is my peace, to understand and have the mind which is razor sharp and diserns the intent of the hearts, that is sees the differences between motive and non motive, pure and impure, life and death, understands symbols and figures of speech. Why, b/c it has surrendered to not having any knowlege, nor ability of it's own, and totally abandened to the Word and Will of God. When you give up all that is preconceived ideas or personal knowledge and abandon your self to the source of all, who is God , who is Love Personna then and ONLY then, can that KNOWLEGE flow through. That is the perfected state and it is realized through listening not thinking. So all your guru stuff of be quiet is to try to get you to listen to that God, that Self. But your mayavadi, impersonalists, tell you THAT YOU BECOME THAT ONE, AND YOU ARE THAT ONE. Is that's what's is going on here? That is the difference and i nicely gave analogies above yesterday with common logic of father and children but somehow there is little or now comprehension b/c the trick or sting of the impersonal philosophy is still remaining in the mind, having absorbed that so much that the mind is toxic with thoughts of God. This in turn traps the mindand very vain kind of thought patterns proceed which is stealing away the heart of love, compassion, caring and kindness being replace with I Am or God. Then as you see it becomes an exercise of word ramblings. Just listen to rama, and phil and AC and most of the rest. You are still very simple compared to there expressions having spent much time with reading and listening to the nothing guru. There is no substance in this thinking it is simple like the shadow of a person, the shadow is relative only and there is nothing there b/c it's realative to the body wherein is life. Impersonalism, is a relative topic to what is personal ie shadow vs substance. If you speak of nothing then there must be something first. otherwise no speaking. Again the proposed theory of nihilism. Back to the rush and toss and struggle of the Paris life one can be very enthusiastic to engage in the stillness practices but for all intense and purposes it's only for a time. Therefore as it is said by the Holy Prophets, true stillness is not doing but doing as in action which is pleasing to God. It is not a difficult philosphy but when you let go of all preconceived ideas of what and who you are or not are, incase of impersonalism and just let go as in surrender your thoughts to God's will, then this is the perfection of meditation or yoga, or semadhi or transcendental meditation, etc.-- Why? _____because you have agreed that you don't even own your thoughts, and you have opened the gates of pure thought or perfect thought to flow into the mind and replace the reservoir with pure water from a pure source. These words are perfectly said by the Holy Spirit through the Holy Prophets, it's that you have never heard them before from a reliable source, b/c the source ie christian source are notrealized but are strictly business. ____which is true._____ But i am not christian as such, there is not color of coat i wear excepted has been dipped in blood, which is to say experienced sin and i have been changed to know the difference and speak about it. That is my business, to find the lost sheep, those who have wandered and are amonst all nations and faiths of the world. That is God. God sends His sons, specifically to gather the family who sincereely are looking to be reunited, as one as a whole or be whole. Wholeness is there and attainable, that is as you become reconnected to the whole, it's not you become the whole. Once connected then you are in that peace, and as many words as it takes to bring the minds of the lost sheep under control. That is why it is said that the sheep will hear my voice, that is the voice of the shepherd. Now some sheep are tired of being lost and will hear immediately but yet some are still thinking oh this grass is good, let me eat more and they haven't yet gotten to the crab grass LOLOLOL. ok enough here, lot's but very little said. these are not much words for a heart that is ready, this is just an appetizer, how about that " food for thought " ? your whitehorse rider, rides again peace, my lonesome cowboy. > > you started with endless bubbles of love....trying to make a big love- > FLOAT ON THOSE BUBBLES A WHILE AND THEY MIGHT GO POOOOF AND YOU WILL FALL INTO THE OCEAN OF LOVE. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 11/29/2005 11:50:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> > > Re: You can not know the Absolute, Yes but > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > best friend of God, > > > > ....slowly understand why your mind is sooo much troubled.....you > > read soo many scriptures and books and words of Prophets and > Saints > > and Gurus and ....and........that you can't anymore.....know > yourSelf > > > > thats, indead....and still....your own problem......i mean, your > path > > that You need to go.......in order to get out of this trouble and > > confusions.... > > > good am marc and friends. > > i guess you like to intercourse with me and just see what's up. > > yes , i'm up and i have read your friendly post. lol. YOu must think > by writing to me you care or i will wake up to your way of thinking. > It's an interesting thought, which you might reply don't think or > once your thought is, it's soon past and is no longer, and all kinds > of words to just explain away the here and now for the Is. You know > perhaps, since you think i know alot of words that i might even be > expert and explaining away what your theories are about what is and > isn't. And you might be right. > > However, here you say i may be reading too much, about scriptures, > books.........etc that i have forgotten myself. That's quite funny, i > can assure you i've read very little comparitively with 99% of people > in this forum. It's not that i read alot at all, but it's tht i > listen well. Why should i read when i listen. Do you read the Bible, > i didn't , i listened to God. When i open the Bible i'm not observing > or trying to use my subjective mind to understand. That could be the > difference, _____do you understand that marc? > When you are taught as a child that blue is blue, and now you are 30 > do you try to understand blue or just accept it is blue? So consider > you have a trained mind to know blue then you have channeled > acceptance, correct? Now does blue effect you in any way could be a > reasonable question. For instance let's say you are told God is blue > and every time you see blue you are seeing a manifestation of God, so > then your mind is trained to see and on auto pilot think God. > correct. > So what what about hearing or seeing or learning or being all imply > an active principal, that is life, or of the living , correct. so you > cannot deny that life implies action of some kind. The universe is in > motion , therefore it's alive, that's not difficult for thesimple > mind. Howvever scientists keep reminding people there is no life > beyond earth that moon is just rocks and so on. So the world here's > so called authority and is trained there is no life beyond earth as > yet. But aa simple mind can understand that if something is moving > then there are reasons for moving hence the deduction is the universe > is alive. So what is alive, what is moving, what is cause and effect. > Is it all energy, why are some people admitting that there is energy > and differences in body mass but denying that the difference is > significant. This is the proposed theory of impersonal theory or > even premise for nihilism. > Considering a practioner of one who says slow down and relax you have > no need of anything. Consider India, the land of extreme poverty and > of little belongings. And there is this one such person who has very > little and by his speaking and sitting doing less than most , almost > nothing and saying nothing except to be still, that it impresses > upon one who is caught up in a a busy capitolistic life running to > and fro and suddenly the light switch goes off and they see that here > is a man with nothing yet appears so content with that nothing. WoW , > just see how enlightened he is with his nothing,___ " " " let me try " " " > wow , it feels so good to be at this still moment.___Essentilly > marc , what you have done is alter, your pattern of busy to stillness > and it changes some of the chemical balance in your blood and you > think it's WAY COOL. So how this does fit you, but does not fit > another, who's busy making his way down the road of materialism, yet > he finds his chemical feeling of WOW That feeLs GOOd while having sex > 3 times, sorry to use that but that extreme eg is still appropriate > for the analogy. > You see Marc, what appears for one to be in some state or altered > state or " spirit feeling " , may be good for one but not another. This > is the perfect workings of the concept put forth be the illusory > forces of evil. However, you want to hear this it is, wherever there > are differences and confusion there is a dynamic energy that propels > the spirit to act out, defend or propose or to be involved in so way > otherwise roll over and play dead. > Imagine you go to a busy city like new york or paris and there you > find this man, dressed in wersern attire, on the street sitting and > saying, be still, don't move listen now imagine not thinking. Try if > you can. What would you do? What do most people do? > So before i need to ramble on can you understand the so called guru > in a long dress, sitting in a large room, talking with some accent > and saying things like like stop, be still and there are hundreds of > people who paid 10$ to look stare and listen, and say wow. Why did he > have an effect and the guy on the street was just oh well some > westerner maybe a bum, looking for handouts. > did the guru just make bum life look better in a big room, like a > better marking plan. look and sound better with soft words and people > paid attention, caused they paid to pay attention, so the message > went into the mind. mysticism can fool many just the word sounds of > so Way COOL. guru, swami, bajan , satsang , even better than peace > love and joy. ____why? b/c there foreign and there is no attachment > to what the have preciously meant. > Todays leaders use, peace, freedom, love, joy and they lie drop bombs > and steal. Therefore those words are dressed, clothed with hate, > anger, pain, and your mind does not get the right feeling about one > who uses these words. Therefore your tendency due to a patterned way > of thinking is to doubt anyone who speaks of peace, harmony, love and > compassion, kindness, ___why? Because of conditioning Marc, do you > follow this? > So now comes guruji, swamiji and it all sound so sweet. > Yes , Go to india and mingle you will hear much about all the liars > in the name of meditation or God and practioners and back biters, and > snakes and in that culture, you may just be very skeptical about who > is for real and who is not? follow? > > Many have become enamored b/c of imagery and association. Just see > how the so called Dalia lama gets all kinds of world class attention > from the heads of state, in his long flowing robes. So by > association the mind is allready in some accepting the mystic behind > the dress, now comes yogi, guru, swami and all his expertise of many > years of living with nothing and practicing non materialistic life > and then he impresses many people and he sits back and laughs and > even looks more detached than before and the money is good the food > is good the followers are plenty and that's good, adoration , > distinction and he even gets better at his act, adn the western world > is in awe, WOW look he is my guruji, who's yours, well mine says this > and look at him, now i'm like him me too, just see me. > > You may think i'm rambling but you all need a lesson on what is Truth > and what is not. Your are very easily tricked b/c the mind is fickle, > being egged on by the soul for love, peace and harmony. So yes when > you turn the mind inward it wants to settle dowm into peace. > > Now consider all the paths to peace, the 'road to peace in the middle > east', not too peaceful is it , but the words are used. > Try 'meditation' ok suits you and your way what about 'hatha yoga'. > does that conjure up thoughts of peace? How about " still waters run > deep " , or " guru,samadhi bagavan da " perhaps " om me om me " . > > so words are what they are and some hear are saying language is > nothing , means nothing just 'be', and then go on to more 'be', or > just 'it' or just 'I'. it's like just take away all or as much as you > can, 'less is more', or 'slow down and go faster', perhaps youthink > that's good for me. > > but you know where i am in all this, " The Word is sharp, like a > twoedged sword, it discerns to the dividing of the soul and spirit, > and understands the intent of the heart. " i embrace that Word, > therefore though you think i'm restless and there is too much > thinking, therein is my peace, to understand and have the mind which > is razor sharp and diserns the intent of the hearts, that is sees the > differences between motive and non motive, pure and impure, life and > death, understands symbols and figures of speech. > > Why, b/c it has surrendered to not having any knowlege, nor ability > of it's own, and totally abandened to the Word and Will of God. > > When you give up all that is preconceived ideas or personal knowledge > and abandon your self to the source of all, who is God , who is Love > Personna then and ONLY then, can that KNOWLEGE flow through. > > That is the perfected state and it is realized through listening not > thinking. > > So all your guru stuff of be quiet is to try to get you to listen to > that God, that Self. > > But your mayavadi, impersonalists, tell you THAT YOU BECOME THAT ONE, > AND YOU ARE THAT ONE. > > Is that's what's is going on here? > > That is the difference and i nicely gave analogies above yesterday > with common logic of father and children but somehow there is little > or now comprehension b/c the trick or sting of the impersonal > philosophy is still remaining in the mind, having absorbed that so > much that the mind is toxic with thoughts of God. This in turn traps > the mindand very vain kind of thought patterns proceed which is > stealing away the heart of love, compassion, caring and kindness > being replace with I Am or God. > Then as you see it becomes an exercise of word ramblings. Just listen > to rama, and phil and AC and most of the rest. You are still very > simple compared to there expressions having spent much time with > reading and listening to the nothing guru. > There is no substance in this thinking it is simple like the shadow > of a person, the shadow is relative only and there is nothing there > b/c it's realative to the body wherein is life. > > Impersonalism, is a relative topic to what is personal ie shadow vs > substance. If you speak of nothing then there must be something first. > otherwise no speaking. Again the proposed theory of nihilism. > > Back to the rush and toss and struggle of the Paris life one can be > very enthusiastic to engage in the stillness practices but for all > intense and purposes it's only for a time. > > Therefore as it is said by the Holy Prophets, true stillness is not > doing but doing as in action which is pleasing to God. It is not a > difficult philosphy but when you let go of all preconceived ideas of > what and who you are or not are, incase of impersonalism and just let > go as in surrender your thoughts to God's will, then this is the > perfection of meditation or yoga, or semadhi or transcendental > meditation, etc.-- > > > Why? _____because you have agreed that you don't even own your > thoughts, and you have opened the gates of pure thought or perfect > thought to flow into the mind and replace the reservoir with pure > water from a pure source. > These words are perfectly said by the Holy Spirit through the Holy > Prophets, it's that you have never heard them before from a reliable > source, b/c the source ie christian source are notrealized but are > strictly business. ____which is true._____ But i am not christian as > such, there is not color of coat i wear excepted has been dipped in > blood, which is to say experienced sin and i have been changed to > know the difference and speak about it. > > That is my business, to find the lost sheep, those who have wandered > and are amonst all nations and faiths of the world. That is God. > > God sends His sons, specifically to gather the family who sincereely > are looking to be reunited, as one as a whole or be whole. Wholeness > is there and attainable, that is as you become reconnected to the > whole, it's not you become the whole. > > Once connected then you are in that peace, and as many words as it > takes to bring the minds of the lost sheep under control. That is why > it is said that the sheep will hear my voice, that is the voice of > the shepherd. Now some sheep are tired of being lost and will hear > immediately but yet some are still thinking oh this grass is good, > let me eat more and they haven't yet gotten to the crab grass LOLOLOL. > > ok enough here, > lot's but very little said. > these are not much words > for a heart that is ready, this is just an appetizer, > > how about that " food for thought " ? > > your whitehorse rider, rides again > > peace, my lonesome cowboy. > > > > > > > you started with endless bubbles of love....trying to make a big > love- > > > > FLOAT ON THOSE BUBBLES A WHILE AND THEY MIGHT GO POOOOF AND YOU WILL > FALL INTO THE OCEAN OF LOVE. LOL ....hello great ego-mind...., i hope you do well....in finding out of this your world.... the size of world is just exactly the same size than your ego- mind...... i realy don't want to change with this your position.....thats, your business indead... i have no more time to read your bubbles and theories.... sorry about ciao ciao .... nice dreams Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Hey whitehorse/whitehorseriders, Perhaps, it's all just communication without any meaning....except for what we give to it......... " what we have here is a failure to communicate " immortal lines from Cool Hand Luke (Paul Newman). It's all good, it's all love, when we know who communicates and why. The one of One who experiences Half-of-One in the Seeing of " two " . Always in Love, Ana - whitehorserides Nisargadatta Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:11 AM Re: You can not know the Absolute, Yes but Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/29/2005 11:50:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> > Re: You can not know the Absolute, Yes but > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > best friend of God, > > ....slowly understand why your mind is sooo much troubled.....you > read soo many scriptures and books and words of Prophets and Saints > and Gurus and ....and........that you can't anymore.....know yourSelf > > thats, indead....and still....your own problem......i mean, your path > that You need to go.......in order to get out of this trouble and > confusions.... good am marc and friends. i guess you like to intercourse with me and just see what's up. yes , i'm up and i have read your friendly post. lol. YOu must think by writing to me you care or i will wake up to your way of thinking. It's an interesting thought, which you might reply don't think or once your thought is, it's soon past and is no longer, and all kinds of words to just explain away the here and now for the Is. You know perhaps, since you think i know alot of words that i might even be expert and explaining away what your theories are about what is and isn't. And you might be right. However, here you say i may be reading too much, about scriptures, books.........etc that i have forgotten myself. That's quite funny, i can assure you i've read very little comparitively with 99% of people in this forum. It's not that i read alot at all, but it's tht i listen well. Why should i read when i listen. Do you read the Bible, i didn't , i listened to God. When i open the Bible i'm not observing or trying to use my subjective mind to understand. That could be the difference, _____do you understand that marc? When you are taught as a child that blue is blue, and now you are 30 do you try to understand blue or just accept it is blue? So consider you have a trained mind to know blue then you have channeled acceptance, correct? Now does blue effect you in any way could be a reasonable question. For instance let's say you are told God is blue and every time you see blue you are seeing a manifestation of God, so then your mind is trained to see and on auto pilot think God. correct. So what what about hearing or seeing or learning or being all imply an active principal, that is life, or of the living , correct. so you cannot deny that life implies action of some kind. The universe is in motion , therefore it's alive, that's not difficult for thesimple mind. Howvever scientists keep reminding people there is no life beyond earth that moon is just rocks and so on. So the world here's so called authority and is trained there is no life beyond earth as yet. But aa simple mind can understand that if something is moving then there are reasons for moving hence the deduction is the universe is alive. So what is alive, what is moving, what is cause and effect. Is it all energy, why are some people admitting that there is energy and differences in body mass but denying that the difference is significant. This is the proposed theory of impersonal theory or even premise for nihilism. Considering a practioner of one who says slow down and relax you have no need of anything. Consider India, the land of extreme poverty and of little belongings. And there is this one such person who has very little and by his speaking and sitting doing less than most , almost nothing and saying nothing except to be still, that it impresses upon one who is caught up in a a busy capitolistic life running to and fro and suddenly the light switch goes off and they see that here is a man with nothing yet appears so content with that nothing. WoW , just see how enlightened he is with his nothing,___ " " " let me try " " " wow , it feels so good to be at this still moment.___Essentilly marc , what you have done is alter, your pattern of busy to stillness and it changes some of the chemical balance in your blood and you think it's WAY COOL. So how this does fit you, but does not fit another, who's busy making his way down the road of materialism, yet he finds his chemical feeling of WOW That feeLs GOOd while having sex 3 times, sorry to use that but that extreme eg is still appropriate for the analogy. You see Marc, what appears for one to be in some state or altered state or " spirit feeling " , may be good for one but not another. This is the perfect workings of the concept put forth be the illusory forces of evil. However, you want to hear this it is, wherever there are differences and confusion there is a dynamic energy that propels the spirit to act out, defend or propose or to be involved in so way otherwise roll over and play dead. Imagine you go to a busy city like new york or paris and there you find this man, dressed in wersern attire, on the street sitting and saying, be still, don't move listen now imagine not thinking. Try if you can. What would you do? What do most people do? So before i need to ramble on can you understand the so called guru in a long dress, sitting in a large room, talking with some accent and saying things like like stop, be still and there are hundreds of people who paid 10$ to look stare and listen, and say wow. Why did he have an effect and the guy on the street was just oh well some westerner maybe a bum, looking for handouts. did the guru just make bum life look better in a big room, like a better marking plan. look and sound better with soft words and people paid attention, caused they paid to pay attention, so the message went into the mind. mysticism can fool many just the word sounds of so Way COOL. guru, swami, bajan , satsang , even better than peace love and joy. ____why? b/c there foreign and there is no attachment to what the have preciously meant. Todays leaders use, peace, freedom, love, joy and they lie drop bombs and steal. Therefore those words are dressed, clothed with hate, anger, pain, and your mind does not get the right feeling about one who uses these words. Therefore your tendency due to a patterned way of thinking is to doubt anyone who speaks of peace, harmony, love and compassion, kindness, ___why? Because of conditioning Marc, do you follow this? So now comes guruji, swamiji and it all sound so sweet. Yes , Go to india and mingle you will hear much about all the liars in the name of meditation or God and practioners and back biters, and snakes and in that culture, you may just be very skeptical about who is for real and who is not? follow? Many have become enamored b/c of imagery and association. Just see how the so called Dalia lama gets all kinds of world class attention from the heads of state, in his long flowing robes. So by association the mind is allready in some accepting the mystic behind the dress, now comes yogi, guru, swami and all his expertise of many years of living with nothing and practicing non materialistic life and then he impresses many people and he sits back and laughs and even looks more detached than before and the money is good the food is good the followers are plenty and that's good, adoration , distinction and he even gets better at his act, adn the western world is in awe, WOW look he is my guruji, who's yours, well mine says this and look at him, now i'm like him me too, just see me. You may think i'm rambling but you all need a lesson on what is Truth and what is not. Your are very easily tricked b/c the mind is fickle, being egged on by the soul for love, peace and harmony. So yes when you turn the mind inward it wants to settle dowm into peace. Now consider all the paths to peace, the 'road to peace in the middle east', not too peaceful is it , but the words are used. Try 'meditation' ok suits you and your way what about 'hatha yoga'. does that conjure up thoughts of peace? How about " still waters run deep " , or " guru,samadhi bagavan da " perhaps " om me om me " . so words are what they are and some hear are saying language is nothing , means nothing just 'be', and then go on to more 'be', or just 'it' or just 'I'. it's like just take away all or as much as you can, 'less is more', or 'slow down and go faster', perhaps youthink that's good for me. but you know where i am in all this, " The Word is sharp, like a twoedged sword, it discerns to the dividing of the soul and spirit, and understands the intent of the heart. " i embrace that Word, therefore though you think i'm restless and there is too much thinking, therein is my peace, to understand and have the mind which is razor sharp and diserns the intent of the hearts, that is sees the differences between motive and non motive, pure and impure, life and death, understands symbols and figures of speech. Why, b/c it has surrendered to not having any knowlege, nor ability of it's own, and totally abandened to the Word and Will of God. When you give up all that is preconceived ideas or personal knowledge and abandon your self to the source of all, who is God , who is Love Personna then and ONLY then, can that KNOWLEGE flow through. That is the perfected state and it is realized through listening not thinking. So all your guru stuff of be quiet is to try to get you to listen to that God, that Self. But your mayavadi, impersonalists, tell you THAT YOU BECOME THAT ONE, AND YOU ARE THAT ONE. Is that's what's is going on here? That is the difference and i nicely gave analogies above yesterday with common logic of father and children but somehow there is little or now comprehension b/c the trick or sting of the impersonal philosophy is still remaining in the mind, having absorbed that so much that the mind is toxic with thoughts of God. This in turn traps the mindand very vain kind of thought patterns proceed which is stealing away the heart of love, compassion, caring and kindness being replace with I Am or God. Then as you see it becomes an exercise of word ramblings. Just listen to rama, and phil and AC and most of the rest. You are still very simple compared to there expressions having spent much time with reading and listening to the nothing guru. There is no substance in this thinking it is simple like the shadow of a person, the shadow is relative only and there is nothing there b/c it's realative to the body wherein is life. Impersonalism, is a relative topic to what is personal ie shadow vs substance. If you speak of nothing then there must be something first. otherwise no speaking. Again the proposed theory of nihilism. Back to the rush and toss and struggle of the Paris life one can be very enthusiastic to engage in the stillness practices but for all intense and purposes it's only for a time. Therefore as it is said by the Holy Prophets, true stillness is not doing but doing as in action which is pleasing to God. It is not a difficult philosphy but when you let go of all preconceived ideas of what and who you are or not are, incase of impersonalism and just let go as in surrender your thoughts to God's will, then this is the perfection of meditation or yoga, or semadhi or transcendental meditation, etc.-- Why? _____because you have agreed that you don't even own your thoughts, and you have opened the gates of pure thought or perfect thought to flow into the mind and replace the reservoir with pure water from a pure source. These words are perfectly said by the Holy Spirit through the Holy Prophets, it's that you have never heard them before from a reliable source, b/c the source ie christian source are notrealized but are strictly business. ____which is true._____ But i am not christian as such, there is not color of coat i wear excepted has been dipped in blood, which is to say experienced sin and i have been changed to know the difference and speak about it. That is my business, to find the lost sheep, those who have wandered and are amonst all nations and faiths of the world. That is God. God sends His sons, specifically to gather the family who sincereely are looking to be reunited, as one as a whole or be whole. Wholeness is there and attainable, that is as you become reconnected to the whole, it's not you become the whole. Once connected then you are in that peace, and as many words as it takes to bring the minds of the lost sheep under control. That is why it is said that the sheep will hear my voice, that is the voice of the shepherd. Now some sheep are tired of being lost and will hear immediately but yet some are still thinking oh this grass is good, let me eat more and they haven't yet gotten to the crab grass LOLOLOL. ok enough here, lot's but very little said. these are not much words for a heart that is ready, this is just an appetizer, how about that " food for thought " ? your whitehorse rider, rides again peace, my lonesome cowboy. > > you started with endless bubbles of love....trying to make a big love- > FLOAT ON THOSE BUBBLES A WHILE AND THEY MIGHT GO POOOOF AND YOU WILL FALL INTO THE OCEAN OF LOVE. LOL ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 In a message dated 11/30/2005 4:34:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Hey whitehorse/whitehorseriders, Perhaps, it's all just communication without any meaning....except for what we give to it......... " what we have here is a failure to communicate " immortal lines from Cool Hand Luke (Paul Newman). It's all good, it's all love, when we know who communicates and why. The one of One who experiences Half-of-One in the Seeing of " two " . Always in Love, Ana Yes, Ana, I agree with that. But we do give meaning to our experiences, don't we? And this is part of the process that love accepts, is it not? I also agree with your implication that it's useful to see the larger picture. We bring everything into our experience for a purpose; to assist us in expanding our awareness. It's these artificial boundaries on our awareness that create the dream we're each having. Some would like for WH to go away, and if struggle is being experienced, this can be useful to look at closely. Some others are certain he experiences nothing of value simply because his conceptual understanding seems crude, and yet most here will talk about the meaninglessness of concepts and so are we so very sure nothing is being experienced? WH has been useful in my own exploration here because I've noticed the same sort of borderline Nihilism that he's talked about here. This is a difficulty I have with how the non-dualistic approach is sometimes implemented. WH believes in a human with independent volition sharing love with an independent God, and this will, of course, maintain the dualistic separation, which he has redefined to conform to his concepts so that the conflict can be dispensed with. However, the other side of the coin is what some of us are doing: attempting a vanishing act, and denying purpose, meaning, value, language, communication, evolution, joy, peace and love. This is the denial of the entire process of awakening in the name of there being no process. Nothing lies outside of the perfection of God. Lovingness is part of the process, as well as the delusion of knowingness and the sword of truth wielded by both the ignorant and the wise. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 thanks for the nice message... it happen that one loose false " indentification " ...on the path.... this has something to do also...with false knowledge.... knowledge is good ....specially spiritual knowledge....and it it's really necessary to " grow " .....in peace and harmony......until the " awareness of Oneness " .....and then to do some " practice " .....inside this percieved Oneness.... so....depending how big is the ego-mind.....as big will also be the task....to bring order in the this big world.... when the ego-mind disappear.......the world, as something " real " .....also disappear....... it's true.... " God " can't let enter a big ego-minded (world)......inside paradise.......(inside) Himself........ some tasks are there , indead for such proud people...... Regards and peace Marc Yes, and the difficulty, as I see it, is the marvelous inventiveness of ego. When ego hears that it must surrender it's will to the will of God and that all things will then be known, it very slyly lays down and plays dead. By doing this, the ego may now pretend that it IS the will of God and that all that issues forth from it's mouth is the word of God. This is basically ego pretending to be enlightened, and it occurs very often in the form of the born again Christian, who then must separate himself from the 'normal' Christian. By feverishly attempting to save the world from it's ignorance, he continually reinforces his delusion of knowingness. In this game, ego must remain very quiet, and when it becomes agitated, as it will, it will retreat into the superiority of it's character as the will and word of God, where nothing can touch it. If anger is revealed, then the entire illusion comes apart. However, it cannot be known by the ego that God is not arrogant, and so the secret is always revealed. It might also be noticed that genuine surrender of individuality, the concept of duality, and genuine enlightenment itself must be destroyed, and the teachings attacked, since these are a threat to the pretense that is being played out. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > thanks for the nice message... > > it happen that one loose false " indentification " ...on the path.... > this has something to do also...with false knowledge.... > > knowledge is good ....specially spiritual knowledge....and it it's > really necessary to " grow " .....in peace and harmony......until > the " awareness of Oneness " .....and then to do > some " practice " .....inside this percieved Oneness.... > > so....depending how big is the ego-mind.....as big will also be the > task....to bring order in the this big world.... > > when the ego-mind disappear.......the world, as > something " real " .....also disappear....... > > it's true.... " God " can't let enter a big ego-minded > (world)......inside paradise.......(inside) Himself........ > > some tasks are there , indead for such proud people...... > > Regards and peace > > Marc > > > Yes, and the difficulty, as I see it, is the marvelous inventiveness of ego. > > When ego hears that it must surrender it's will to the will of God and that > all things will then be known, it very slyly lays down and plays dead. By > doing this, the ego may now pretend that it IS the will of God and that all that > issues forth from it's mouth is the word of God. This is basically ego > pretending to be enlightened, and it occurs very often in the form of the born > again Christian, who then must separate himself from the 'normal' Christian. By > feverishly attempting to save the world from it's ignorance, he continually > reinforces his delusion of knowingness. > > In this game, ego must remain very quiet, and when it becomes agitated, as > it will, it will retreat into the superiority of it's character as the will and > word of God, where nothing can touch it. If anger is revealed, then the > entire illusion comes apart. However, it cannot be known by the ego that God is > not arrogant, and so the secret is always revealed. > > It might also be noticed that genuine surrender of individuality, the > concept of duality, and genuine enlightenment itself must be destroyed, and the > teachings attacked, since these are a threat to the pretense that is being > played out. > > Phil Hi Phil, no more time for many words.....there is an ego-mind running around....... " who " take away some " breath " ....of life.....to others.........a high wave....on the ocean...... yes....you are right.....the ego-mind is not conscient....of all this nice and peaceful breath.....that he/she take away......by many ways......... but that's encluded in a worldly perception......thats even what is " world " about.......an ego-minded thing " who " care for a dream.....except an ego-mind....... there is " Phil " ,means, the identification with " Phil " , because there is " Marc " and " WH " and " the tree " and the " fish " ...... if " Phil " take this identification for real.....thats " non-self " .... wish you, friend of the truth, to be aware of Self and Non- Self.....all the time......and then...... we will read and meet about each..... all the time..... in silence.... without words... without concept.... without theorie.... without even breath......because there will be nobody anymore in awareness..... " who " could take the breath away...... bliss peace Regards > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hi Phil, no more time for many words.....there is an ego-mind running around....... " who " take away some " breath " ....of life.....to others.........a high wave....on the ocean...... yes....you are right.....the ego-mind is not conscient....of all this nice and peaceful breath.....that he/she take away......by many ways......... but that's encluded in a worldly perception......thats even what is " world " about.......an ego-minded thing " who " care for a dream.....except an ego-mind....... there is " Phil " ,means, the identification with " Phil " , because there is " Marc " and " WH " and " the tree " and the " fish " ...... if " Phil " take this identification for real.....thats " non-self " .... wish you, friend of the truth, to be aware of Self and Non- Self.....all the time......and then...... we will read and meet about each..... all the time..... in silence.... without words... without concept.... without theorie.... without even breath......because there will be nobody anymore in awareness..... " who " could take the breath away...... bliss peace Regards Serenity is not absence from the storm, but peace within the storm. The world will never behave, but the wonderful thing is, it doesn't need to. Peace is always found within. Nobody can steal this from you. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > Hi Phil, > > no more time for many words.....there is an ego-mind running > around....... " who " take away some " breath " ....of life.....to > others.........a high wave....on the ocean...... > > yes....you are right.....the ego-mind is not conscient....of all this > nice and peaceful breath.....that he/she take away......by many > ways......... > > but that's encluded in a worldly perception......thats even what > is " world " about.......an ego-minded thing > > " who " care for a dream.....except an ego-mind....... > > there is " Phil " ,means, the identification with " Phil " , because there > is " Marc " and " WH " and " the tree " and the " fish " ...... > if " Phil " take this identification for real.....thats " non- self " .... > > wish you, friend of the truth, to be aware of Self and Non- > Self.....all the time......and then...... > we will read and meet about each..... > > all the time..... > > in silence.... > > without words... > > without concept.... > > without theorie.... > > without even breath......because there will be nobody anymore in > awareness..... " who " could take the breath away...... > > bliss > > peace > > Regards > > > > > > Serenity is not absence from the storm, but peace within the storm. The > world will never behave, but the wonderful thing is, it doesn't need to. Peace is > always found within. Nobody can steal this from you. > > Phil ..... " the world will never behave " .....it's like saying " an ego-mind will never behave " ...... yes....the " wonderful thing is, it doesn't need to " .....because " who cares?....except an " ego-mind " ..... " let's enjoy the peace within .....good idea.... Regards and peace Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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