Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 my friend, the concept of " one way " implies a direction from a point to another one, from a me to a you. knowing that myself is yourself, i have no doubt that you receive and accept THIS LOVE. the rest is trying to conceptualize life, love, god.... THIS. i do not put in discussion that you are experiencing this, what i see in your expression of it is a reaction to something, made evident by the fact that you systematically refer to a particular religious context, the bible-world, without SEEING with whom you are talkin too. here, now...just relax...there is no need of a book of revelaion between us, no need of conceptualization love Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > 72 what?!? > > virginity is good only to lose virginity. > > i don't belive in god,noone can sell me paradises. > > love to you > > > It appears you believe in love, you keep sending me some. > > Try this, > > If you could conceive as love in perfect love, would you tell me your > mother is just a strange women that you have no mother? > You could right, it's called disowning your very family of parents. > > Now , you may not feel any pain, correct? > In fact you may feel freedom, right? > > Now consider the feeling of your mother, would she feel rejected? > Yes, right, but no consider would she stop loving you? no right. > > In other words it's called 'one way love', like a one way street. > > So you send my love, as you say, then unless i receive and accept > it's only one way love, correct? > > Now consider, WHAT IS LOVE, WHAT IS IT'S SOURCE? > > If you offer me love, is it anything but words right now? no right. > > Consider life and consider you be sustained by life. What is it that > sustains your life, food, water, fire, shelter, air to breath, all > coming freely. Manmade or made from love or is that life or is that > the clouds passing over head dropping water, just because the > vegetation need water. > Is it all just an accident, all energy, all just a matter of luck? > > tell me my dear waaba, what is life, what is love, what is? > > Who is charging you for what comes freely? Is it God, or man? > > so who is being graceful? really. > > Is there God, or not God, just nothing, like there is air or is that > to just nothing. > > Is there a soul or did man just imagine that too. is there a spirit > or is that too just imagination. > > Then if it's all imagination then there is not love and you are the > hypocrite, so think before you think. > > And when you speak, think before you speak for speaking is also a > free gift. > > Have you thought of what's free. > > Now it is said '144,000 virgins will hear God in the end times. > Revelation 7:4 and 14:3. > > These are those not defiled with women. That is not a physical thing > as in only pertaining to men, but a spiritual awakening of the hearts > that are not taken by the multitudes of women, ie cultures of evil > kings, democracies, and false religions, put forth by all of Satan's > reps. The women, waaba are your cultural heads who are lined up with > the Queen of Harlots, who is currectly very active in the world > today, as it is written in the Old Testament, " i sit a Queen " , these > are the some of the signs that are part of the Prophecy now today. > > so i say " be sober and watch, for the days are shortened and the time > has come and all things will be revealled as promised. " > > Take the dust off your Bible and read Revelation ch 2 & 3 this is the > call of the son. Hear carefully what the Holy Spirit speaks unto all > religions all Nations of the World. > > i have much more to add, but enough here now. > > peace and love > keep coming back, the more love you send my way > the more i will pass on. > > whitehorserides > > and you can too Rev 19:14 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > my friend, > the concept of " one way " implies a direction from a point to another > one, from a me to a you. knowing that myself is yourself, i have no > doubt that you receive and accept THIS LOVE. _______one way is your thinking. when i give love i see the other enjoying the reiving which comes back to me and satisfies my heart. This is not conceptualized this is pure experience of loving exchange the rest is trying to > conceptualize life, love, god.... THIS. > i do not put in discussion that you are experiencing this, what i see > in your expression of it is a reaction to something, made evident by ________ identifying with the experience through the direct receiving from the source therefore channeling the same back out. Can you understand a conduit as in a water pipe, the same the water goes through but it's also touching the pipe. Therefore the whole is effected. i'm not thinking about words said by people i'm experiencing the same feeling as those who experienced the love from God directly. my analogies are not like the Prophets at all, nor do they come from some Nisa or guru, but as i'm here with you they are all manifesting and they have never been used before. They are even knew to me. They keep coming because i am like a conduit and cannot stop the flow of water, or words or words of love. But like a conduit there is not valve it doesn't stop it's used just to channel flow. > the fact that you systematically refer to a particular religious > context, the bible-world, without SEEING with whom you are talkin too. Not true here. The words of the Holy Prophets are alive, they are the 'living word', therefore you can hear them. The same as if it were a person talking, and it is,_____it's your Father. Listen. When you get a letter from your wife or daughter, and you read it, it's alive! and you hear their voice, ____________________you see what i mean. > here, now...just relax...there is no need of a book of revelaion > between us, no need of conceptualization i only refer book to support how i think, or why i think and that others think the same. If i was a chemistry teacher, the teacher uses the book, but freely stands in front and speaks, then after refers to the book and there you can read. Otherwise what is your support or proof that the teacher is telling the truth. You talk about this love and just relax and oneness you are me stuff but it doesn't fly in the face of one like myself, how tastes , smells, sees, hears, the love therefore experiences the love in full. Everybreath is another breath of love, but i must eat, sleep walk and talk therefore i;m not alone. If you want to experience what you say then go away, leave, go to the mountain, get a deer skin and sit down and live like babaji yogi. They have these in India, but you can be one too. But will you be happy? maybe, but will you help others? no. So you care? no. But God is not alone he likes to share his company He likes parties and festivals and to see people ineteract in love. " Where there are two or mor, together, sharing in love, there I will be, God says " That may be Bible, but i like that Bible, if you don't like, then go, but go don't come back. enjoy. lol enjoy____ yourself___ feed your self, cook for yourself, throw the ball up in the air and play catch with you self. talk to yourself. remember you said " you don't believe in God. so go have fun we'll see how long you stay in the mountain. lol > love > yes go love nothing. Whichever way you split the pie, the pie will taste the same. You may take a glass of water, and i will take my own cup, but from the same source of water, the taste is the same. Love is manifested from within and is expressed without to others it's delivered, in word, deed, action.therefore outside manifestation. In springtime when the iris or tulip comes out, you admire the beauty of the plant, the colors, the scent, the form the majesty of it all. But do you see where the beauty comes from? no, the root, the source year in and year out, this the source of the beauty. As words are an external show of giving or sharing it's all external. But God knows the heart. So when i say God knows the heart, you too can know God the root of Love by simply conecting with the root. When you know the source, the root, then you can have a constant flow, or in this case understanding and experience. When you open the tap of water, it continues only unless the source runs out or you turn it off. The water is like God, always giving. So when you recognize the soucre and drink from it then your whole body, mostly water will be transformed to that water. And then everything that comes out from you will be the flavour of that water. Now consider your life and what goes inside, ie food. What's feeding you? Two things are feeding you, one is food or nourishment, to maintain your body healthy of which the proper, diet is recommended for healthy body. Then the second is the spirit food or that which is entering your ears, through sound first. Though you can learn from smell and sight, advanced learning is by hearing. The difference can be compared to animal life and human life.The aniimal dwells much on instinct and has very acute sense perception, whereas the human have the mind or acute reasoning therefore, rational animal. Humans use much thinking while in action. However it does not take thinking to show love, but it does take discernment to understand whether the food coming into the body is good food or harmful food. Therefore where is the reference point for good food? What you say is it's instinctive, or intuitive, this is partially correct but cannot be 100% accurate. Why? because the information circulating is definately controlled and directed from man and man's various desires to control and rule over those born into their countries. This is where the fallout is. You are not getting the good food, and sometimes you may recognize that and look elsewhere for it, and in looking you come across different paths and often stop or " oh this looks better " or whatever. It's much like looking for a nice wife or girlfriend, and when it happens , you decide this one's for you, although you could have moved on and found a differnet one. The same thing is going on with this world. Everyone is born and people find, or recognize, or don't recognize, their places and thus they live. But what is their root.They are busy looking like flowers but do not see the root, or life force. If you express love, from within, it came from one of two sources. What i mean by that, is either it comes from the soul or from the spirit. It comes from the thinking i must show love , or it comes from the heart all automatic pilot. You need not think when you are in love you simply act therefore the heart is the conduit for love. purify your heart and become one with God. This is the definition of non dualism. Is it interactive yes but it's free flow, there is not blockage, no on off switch, therefore dorect love is God direct. The Holy Prophets ans Jesus taught this type of non dualism. clear enough my big waaba. whitehoresrides if editing is req'd or you don't understand then ask , i reserve the right to correct an error. tks > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > 72 what?!? > > > virginity is good only to lose virginity. > > > i don't belive in god,noone can sell me paradises. > > > love to you > > > > > It appears you believe in love, you keep sending me some. > > > > Try this, > > > > If you could conceive as love in perfect love, would you tell me > your > > mother is just a strange women that you have no mother? > > You could right, it's called disowning your very family of parents. > > > > Now , you may not feel any pain, correct? > > In fact you may feel freedom, right? > > > > Now consider the feeling of your mother, would she feel rejected? > > Yes, right, but no consider would she stop loving you? no right. > > > > In other words it's called 'one way love', like a one way street. > > > > So you send my love, as you say, then unless i receive and accept > > it's only one way love, correct? > > > > Now consider, WHAT IS LOVE, WHAT IS IT'S SOURCE? > > > > If you offer me love, is it anything but words right now? no right. > > > > Consider life and consider you be sustained by life. What is it > that > > sustains your life, food, water, fire, shelter, air to breath, all > > coming freely. Manmade or made from love or is that life or is that > > the clouds passing over head dropping water, just because the > > vegetation need water. > > Is it all just an accident, all energy, all just a matter of luck? > > > > tell me my dear waaba, what is life, what is love, what is? > > > > Who is charging you for what comes freely? Is it God, or man? > > > > so who is being graceful? really. > > > > Is there God, or not God, just nothing, like there is air or is > that > > to just nothing. > > > > Is there a soul or did man just imagine that too. is there a spirit > > or is that too just imagination. > > > > Then if it's all imagination then there is not love and you are the > > hypocrite, so think before you think. > > > > And when you speak, think before you speak for speaking is also a > > free gift. > > > > Have you thought of what's free. > > > > Now it is said '144,000 virgins will hear God in the end times. > > Revelation 7:4 and 14:3. > > > > These are those not defiled with women. That is not a physical > thing > > as in only pertaining to men, but a spiritual awakening of the > hearts > > that are not taken by the multitudes of women, ie cultures of evil > > kings, democracies, and false religions, put forth by all of > Satan's > > reps. The women, waaba are your cultural heads who are lined up > with > > the Queen of Harlots, who is currectly very active in the world > > today, as it is written in the Old Testament, " i sit a Queen " , > these > > are the some of the signs that are part of the Prophecy now today. > > > > so i say " be sober and watch, for the days are shortened and the > time > > has come and all things will be revealled as promised. " > > > > Take the dust off your Bible and read Revelation ch 2 & 3 this is > the > > call of the son. Hear carefully what the Holy Spirit speaks unto > all > > religions all Nations of the World. > > > > i have much more to add, but enough here now. > > > > peace and love > > keep coming back, the more love you send my way > > the more i will pass on. > > > > whitehorserides > > > > and you can too Rev 19:14 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 " Therefore where is the reference point for good food? What you say > is it's instinctive, or intuitive, this is partially correct but > cannot be 100% accurate. Why? because the information circulating is > definately controlled and directed from man and man's various desires > to control and rule over those born into their countries. " until complete surrender happens, and you can't do anyhting about it because there is no you, well, when it happens there is no more need of a reference, a right and 100% accurate information, reference that was seen as something absolutely needed before. you still think to be something inside a body, hence reaction and fear. you are not an object, no taste, no smell, NO SOUND, no feeling Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > my friend, > > the concept of " one way " implies a direction from a point to > another > > one, from a me to a you. knowing that myself is yourself, i have no > > doubt that you receive and accept THIS LOVE. > > _______one way is your thinking. when i give love i see the other > enjoying the reiving which comes back to me and satisfies my heart. > This is not conceptualized this is pure experience of loving exchange > the rest is trying to > > conceptualize life, love, god.... THIS. > > i do not put in discussion that you are experiencing this, what i > see > > in your expression of it is a reaction to something, made evident > by > ________ identifying with the experience through the direct receiving > from the source therefore channeling the same back out. Can you > understand a conduit as in a water pipe, the same the water goes > through but it's also touching the pipe. Therefore the whole is > effected. i'm not thinking about words said by people i'm > experiencing the same feeling as those who experienced the love from > God directly. > my analogies are not like the Prophets at all, nor do they come from > some Nisa or guru, but as i'm here with you they are all manifesting > and they have never been used before. They are even knew to me. They > keep coming because i am like a conduit and cannot stop the flow of > water, or words or words of love. But like a conduit there is not > valve it doesn't stop it's used just to channel flow. > > > the fact that you systematically refer to a particular religious > > context, the bible-world, without SEEING with whom you are talkin > too. > > Not true here. The words of the Holy Prophets are alive, they are > the 'living word', therefore you can hear them. The same as if it > were a person talking, and it is,_____it's your Father. > Listen. When you get a letter from your wife or daughter, and you > read it, it's alive! and you hear their voice, > ____________________you see what i mean. > > > here, now...just relax...there is no need of a book of revelaion > > between us, no need of conceptualization > > i only refer book to support how i think, or why i think and that > others think the same. If i was a chemistry teacher, the teacher uses > the book, but freely stands in front and speaks, then after refers to > the book and there you can read. > Otherwise what is your support or proof that the teacher is telling > the truth. > > You talk about this love and just relax and oneness you are me stuff > but it doesn't fly in the face of one like myself, how tastes , > smells, sees, hears, the love therefore experiences the love in full. > Everybreath is another breath of love, but i must eat, sleep walk and > talk therefore i;m not alone. > > If you want to experience what you say then go away, leave, go to the > mountain, get a deer skin and sit down and live like babaji yogi. > They have these in India, but you can be one too. > But will you be happy? maybe, but will you help others? no. So you > care? no. > But God is not alone he likes to share his company He likes parties > and festivals and to see people ineteract in love. " Where there are > two or mor, together, sharing in love, there I will be, God says " > That may be Bible, but i like that Bible, if you don't like, then go, > but go don't come back. enjoy. lol enjoy____ yourself___ feed your > self, cook for yourself, throw the ball up in the air and play catch > with you self. talk to yourself. remember you said " you don't believe > in God. so go have fun we'll see how long you stay in the mountain. > lol > > > love > > > yes go love nothing. > > Whichever way you split the pie, the pie will taste the same. You may > take a glass of water, and i will take my own cup, but from the same > source of water, the taste is the same. > > Love is manifested from within and is expressed without to others > it's delivered, in word, deed, action.therefore outside manifestation. > > In springtime when the iris or tulip comes out, you admire the beauty > of the plant, the colors, the scent, the form the majesty of it all. > > But do you see where the beauty comes from? no, the root, the source > year in and year out, this the source of the beauty. > > As words are an external show of giving or sharing it's all external. > But God knows the heart. So when i say God knows the heart, you too > can know God the root of Love by simply conecting with the root. When > you know the source, the root, then you can have a constant flow, or > in this case understanding and experience. > > When you open the tap of water, it continues only unless the source > runs out or you turn it off. The water is like God, always giving. > > So when you recognize the soucre and drink from it then your whole > body, mostly water will be transformed to that water. And then > everything that comes out from you will be the flavour of that water. > > Now consider your life and what goes inside, ie food. What's feeding > you? Two things are feeding you, one is food or nourishment, to > maintain your body healthy of which the proper, diet is recommended > for healthy body. Then the second is the spirit food or that which > is entering your ears, through sound first. > > Though you can learn from smell and sight, advanced learning is by > hearing. > The difference can be compared to animal life and human life.The > aniimal dwells much on instinct and has very acute sense perception, > whereas the human have the mind or acute reasoning therefore, > rational animal. Humans use much thinking while in action. > However it does not take thinking to show love, but it does take > discernment to understand whether the food coming into the body is > good food or harmful food. > > Therefore where is the reference point for good food? What you say > is it's instinctive, or intuitive, this is partially correct but > cannot be 100% accurate. Why? because the information circulating is > definately controlled and directed from man and man's various desires > to control and rule over those born into their countries. > > This is where the fallout is. You are not getting the good food, and > sometimes you may recognize that and look elsewhere for it, and in > looking you come across different paths and often stop or > " oh this looks better " or whatever. > It's much like looking for a nice wife or girlfriend, and when it > happens , you decide this one's for you, although you could have > moved on and found a differnet one. > > The same thing is going on with this world. Everyone is born and > people find, or recognize, or don't recognize, their places and thus > they live. But what is their root.They are busy looking like flowers > but do not see the root, or life force. > > > If you express love, from within, it came from one of two sources. > What i mean by that, is either it comes from the soul or from the > spirit. It comes from the thinking i must show love , or it comes > from the heart all automatic pilot. You need not think when you are > in love you simply act therefore the heart is the conduit for love. > purify your heart and become one with God. This is the definition of > non dualism. Is it interactive yes but it's free flow, there is not > blockage, no on off switch, therefore dorect love is God direct. The > Holy Prophets ans Jesus taught this type of non dualism. > > clear enough my big waaba. > > whitehoresrides > > if editing is req'd or you don't understand then ask , i reserve the > right to correct an error. > tks > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 72 what?!? > > > > virginity is good only to lose virginity. > > > > i don't belive in god,noone can sell me paradises. > > > > love to you > > > > > > > It appears you believe in love, you keep sending me some. > > > > > > Try this, > > > > > > If you could conceive as love in perfect love, would you tell me > > your > > > mother is just a strange women that you have no mother? > > > You could right, it's called disowning your very family of > parents. > > > > > > Now , you may not feel any pain, correct? > > > In fact you may feel freedom, right? > > > > > > Now consider the feeling of your mother, would she feel rejected? > > > Yes, right, but no consider would she stop loving you? no right. > > > > > > In other words it's called 'one way love', like a one way street. > > > > > > So you send my love, as you say, then unless i receive and accept > > > it's only one way love, correct? > > > > > > Now consider, WHAT IS LOVE, WHAT IS IT'S SOURCE? > > > > > > If you offer me love, is it anything but words right now? no > right. > > > > > > Consider life and consider you be sustained by life. What is it > > that > > > sustains your life, food, water, fire, shelter, air to breath, > all > > > coming freely. Manmade or made from love or is that life or is > that > > > the clouds passing over head dropping water, just because the > > > vegetation need water. > > > Is it all just an accident, all energy, all just a matter of luck? > > > > > > tell me my dear waaba, what is life, what is love, what is? > > > > > > Who is charging you for what comes freely? Is it God, or man? > > > > > > so who is being graceful? really. > > > > > > Is there God, or not God, just nothing, like there is air or is > > that > > > to just nothing. > > > > > > Is there a soul or did man just imagine that too. is there a > spirit > > > or is that too just imagination. > > > > > > Then if it's all imagination then there is not love and you are > the > > > hypocrite, so think before you think. > > > > > > And when you speak, think before you speak for speaking is also a > > > free gift. > > > > > > Have you thought of what's free. > > > > > > Now it is said '144,000 virgins will hear God in the end times. > > > Revelation 7:4 and 14:3. > > > > > > These are those not defiled with women. That is not a physical > > thing > > > as in only pertaining to men, but a spiritual awakening of the > > hearts > > > that are not taken by the multitudes of women, ie cultures of > evil > > > kings, democracies, and false religions, put forth by all of > > Satan's > > > reps. The women, waaba are your cultural heads who are lined up > > with > > > the Queen of Harlots, who is currectly very active in the world > > > today, as it is written in the Old Testament, " i sit a Queen " , > > these > > > are the some of the signs that are part of the Prophecy now today. > > > > > > so i say " be sober and watch, for the days are shortened and the > > time > > > has come and all things will be revealled as promised. " > > > > > > Take the dust off your Bible and read Revelation ch 2 & 3 this is > > the > > > call of the son. Hear carefully what the Holy Spirit speaks unto > > all > > > religions all Nations of the World. > > > > > > i have much more to add, but enough here now. > > > > > > peace and love > > > keep coming back, the more love you send my way > > > the more i will pass on. > > > > > > whitehorserides > > > > > > and you can too Rev 19:14 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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