Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 > Student: Master how is your world different than mine? > > My world is non-verbal, the unspoken has no place in your world. > In my world words and their meanings have no being. My world is real, > yours is made of dreams. If you observe your world, not as you imagine > it to be, but as it is, you will find yourself in my world. Your world > is the abode of desire and fear. You cannot find peace in your world. > > > My question is, " What do you think is meant by the suggestion of a > non-verbal world and what is being suggested by saying the unspoken > has no place in our world? If you witness *vigilantly* every speck of sensation, then you won't be able to follow the " thought-flow " . Staying *with* every speck of sensation, be it feeling, light, vibration..., is effectively to slow down, is to move slowly and deeply. To do so is to abandon the promptings of thought. It doesn't mean that thought doesn't happen. It just means that thought no longer *directs*. Initially thought will over and over regain control. But every time vigilant attention to sensation is restored thought loses a bit of its control. Thought doesn't need to *end*, but control by thought is a false process. When there is vigilant attention to what is, to the immediacy of sense, of what-is-in-consciousness... then that is the " non-verbal world " . Note that it doesn't mean no words are there. Afterall, the quote is a statement in words. It means that words are not in control. When words are not in control the predominant quality is silence... not auditory silence actually... but a deeper kind. When the speaker says, " the unspoken has no place in your world... " , he means that as long as thought is in control the unspoken cannot be experienced. The upspoken *is* when control by thought has ended. When he says, " your world " he simply means your experience as controlled by thought. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > > > > Student: Master how is your world different than mine? > > > > My world is non-verbal, the unspoken has no place in your world. > > In my world words and their meanings have no being. My world is real, > > yours is made of dreams. If you observe your world, not as you imagine > > it to be, but as it is, you will find yourself in my world. Your world > > is the abode of desire and fear. You cannot find peace in your world. > > > > > > My question is, " What do you think is meant by the suggestion of a > > non-verbal world and what is being suggested by saying the unspoken > > has no place in our world? > > > If you witness *vigilantly* every speck of sensation, then > you won't be able to follow the " thought-flow " . Staying *with* > every speck of sensation, be it feeling, light, vibration..., > is effectively to slow down, is to move slowly and deeply. > To do so is to abandon the promptings of thought. It doesn't > mean that thought doesn't happen. It just means that thought > no longer *directs*. > > Initially thought will over and over regain control. But every > time vigilant attention to sensation is restored thought loses > a bit of its control. > > Thought doesn't need to *end*, but control by thought is a false > process. > > When there is vigilant attention to what is, to the immediacy > of sense, of what-is-in-consciousness... then that is the > " non-verbal world " . Note that it doesn't mean no words are > there. Afterall, the quote is a statement in words. It means > that words are not in control. When words are not in control > the predominant quality is silence... not auditory silence > actually... but a deeper kind. > > When the speaker says, " the unspoken has no place in your world... " , > he means that as long as thought is in control the unspoken > cannot be experienced. The upspoken *is* when control by thought > has ended. When he says, " your world " he simply means your > experience as controlled by thought. > > Bill > yes this is good, this so called master recognized the student was overwhelmed bu the world of materialism in that he said " your world is one of desire and fear. " Not the expression that your world is one of dreams also was implied by observation of the questionaire. obviously this student was a walk on. Master is astute and observant and is a discerner of spirits and intent of the hearts, being transparent in thought therefore taking only answers from the source of pure thought. That is like the knowing the reservoir of fresh water, and drinks only from ther ok bill so my answer to marc using other anologies is consistent with unobstructed flow of thought as in like conduit. There seems to be similarity except i'm using more physcically available visuals aids to support clarity or unimpeded oneness of thought. As well, there was a question put forth by bigwaaba, and i used sound recognition coming from the pure source ie the Holy Spirit not interferring with the direct word. Thus one who knows the voice, hears the voice even in silence. This is discerning between God talking to you, and your own mind. This too is the purified spirit. The oneness or non verbal or unspoken world. i realize that the 'human world' of Rebbe's and christian PHD's, repeat this is not humanily possible, to know the Bibe. i care to differ, b/c i do not identify with my human mental deficiencies, but have surrendered all to God. As early as 13 years old i knew, that i knew nothing, and that all came from God, only trust God not man. And that i did, and is how i have lived my life, and accountability proves it. anyways it is what it is, free to those who are willing to tap into the unspoken word. whitehorserides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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