Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 i am full consciousness. who are you referring to with your post? Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > There is a very simple way to become Conscious... > > > Pick anything that you do unconsciously... > > and, start doing it with Full Consciousness! > > > > ... > > Watch it fully... > > Become Aware of its rhythm, its beat... > > > > Better still... > > " Do " it consciously! > > > ... > > > Breathing happens... > > Now " you " start doing it... 'consciously' > > Make it a conscious choice to inhale and exhale each breath... > > Breathe deep... > > Feel the air flowing within... > > Feel the air coming out... > > and, then 'decide' to breathe again! > > > ... > > > Thoughts " happen " ... > > Now " you " start thinking.... > > Pick a 'what' to think about... > > Pick a 'why' to think... > > Pick a 'how' to think... > > > and, now pick your " thought " ... > > > > Think, think, think [consciously] and you will become Full free of it! > > > ... > > > It will transform... > > any [unconscious] activity you take it into... > > > > it will transform your [un] consciouness... > > > and, it will show you... > > That which " really " does think, breathe and > does all that you don't seem to know about! > > > > > > > Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > i am full consciousness. Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? >who are you referring to with your post? > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things unconsciously! Do you " know " it? .... Following might be a good example: Gautam Buddha is passing through a town when a fly comes and sits on his forehead. He is talking to his companion, Ananda, and he just goes on talking and moves his hand to throw off the fly. Then suddenly he recognizes that his movement of the hand has been unconscious, mechanical. Because he was talking consciously to Ananda, the hand moved the fly mechanically. He stops and although now there is no fly, he moves his hand again consciously. Ananda says, " What are you doing? The fly has gone away.... " Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone away...but I have committed a sin, because I did it in unconsciousness. " .... Please let me know what you think. I would like to talk to you, if you do. With warm regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Or far more simply... start being conscious *consciously*... cut at the root, and the tree, every leaf and branch, falls. Bill Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > There is a very simple way to become Conscious... > > > Pick anything that you do unconsciously... > > and, start doing it with Full Consciousness! > > > > ... > > Watch it fully... > > Become Aware of its rhythm, its beat... > > > > Better still... > > " Do " it consciously! > > > ... > > > Breathing happens... > > Now " you " start doing it... 'consciously' > > Make it a conscious choice to inhale and exhale each breath... > > Breathe deep... > > Feel the air flowing within... > > Feel the air coming out... > > and, then 'decide' to breathe again! > > > ... > > > Thoughts " happen " ... > > Now " you " start thinking.... > > Pick a 'what' to think about... > > Pick a 'why' to think... > > Pick a 'how' to think... > > > and, now pick your " thought " ... > > > > Think, think, think [consciously] and you will become Full free of it! > > > ... > > > It will transform... > > any [unconscious] activity you take it into... > > > > it will transform your [un] consciouness... > > > and, it will show you... > > That which " really " does think, breathe and > does all that you don't seem to know about! > > > > > > > Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 yes obviously it is not even a " start " ... Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > Or far more simply... > start being conscious *consciously*... > > cut at the root, and the tree, every leaf > and branch, falls. > > > Bill > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is a very simple way to become Conscious... > > > > > > Pick anything that you do unconsciously... > > > > and, start doing it with Full Consciousness! > > > > > > > > ... > > > > Watch it fully... > > > > Become Aware of its rhythm, its beat... > > > > > > > > Better still... > > > > " Do " it consciously! > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Breathing happens... > > > > Now " you " start doing it... 'consciously' > > > > Make it a conscious choice to inhale and exhale each breath... > > > > Breathe deep... > > > > Feel the air flowing within... > > > > Feel the air coming out... > > > > and, then 'decide' to breathe again! > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Thoughts " happen " ... > > > > Now " you " start thinking.... > > > > Pick a 'what' to think about... > > > > Pick a 'why' to think... > > > > Pick a 'how' to think... > > > > > > and, now pick your " thought " ... > > > > > > > > Think, think, think [consciously] and you will become Full free > of it! > > > > > > ... > > > > > > It will transform... > > > > any [unconscious] activity you take it into... > > > > > > > > it will transform your [un] consciouness... > > > > > > and, it will show you... > > > > That which " really " does think, breathe and > > does all that you don't seem to know about! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shopping > > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 hello ac, i think that in the story you quote the fly is not enough considered... ....to be continued... love Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > i am full consciousness. > > Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? > > >who are you referring to with your post? > > > > > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things > unconsciously! > > > Do you " know " it? > > > ... > > > Following might be a good example: > > > > Gautam Buddha is passing through a town > when a fly comes and sits on his > forehead. He is talking to his > companion, Ananda, and he just goes on > talking and moves his hand to throw off > the fly. > > > Then suddenly he recognizes > that his movement of the hand has been > unconscious, mechanical. Because he was > talking consciously to Ananda, the hand > moved the fly mechanically. He stops > and although now there is no fly, he > moves his hand again consciously. > > > Ananda says, " What are you doing? The > fly has gone away.... " > > Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone > away...but I have committed a sin, > because I did it in unconsciousness. " > > > ... > > > Please let me know what you think. > > I would like to talk to you, if you do. > > > With warm regards, > ac. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > hello ac, > > i think that in the story you quote the fly is not enough > considered... > ...to be continued... > love > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > i am full consciousness. > > > > Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? > > > > >who are you referring to with your post? > > > > > > > > > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things > > unconsciously! > > > > > > Do you " know " it? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Following might be a good example: > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha is passing through a town > > when a fly comes and sits on his > > forehead. He is talking to his > > companion, Ananda, and he just goes on > > talking and moves his hand to throw off > > the fly. > > > > > > Then suddenly he recognizes > > that his movement of the hand has been > > unconscious, mechanical. Because he was > > talking consciously to Ananda, the hand > > moved the fly mechanically. He stops > > and although now there is no fly, he > > moves his hand again consciously. > > > > > > Ananda says, " What are you doing? The > > fly has gone away.... " > > > > Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone > > away...but I have committed a sin, > > because I did it in unconsciousness. " > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > I would like to talk to you, if you do. > > > > > > With warm regards, > > ac. > > my dear ac, Gautama with an 'a' buddha born in Gaya. yes ? vegetarian thin man, not pork belly, silly stuff. lol buddha #18 incarnation from Vishnu______ bery good, bery, bery good. Buddha was making a big joke, or the joke was made in spite of him, that was registered somewhere and has been handed down through time, and is meaningless. This is my course of thinking, as buddha i'm thinking that all words and action is in line with God, there is nothing unconscious, not even sleep. For the saints, and angels, if buddha was really one, all is purposed and governed by God. So the story does not hold water, for i don't believe it ever happened in the buddha life, unless the buddha guy was in duality, know what i mean. because a reaction is always supported by preconditoned thought. For eg i used to race motorcycles at speeds over 100 mph. With four main limbs i'm performing 5 actions that are 'trained in thought' while i look to the next interchange or corner, there is automatic action going on that has been previously processed permitting me to carry through the total action as 'one' moving forward. i used this analogy b/c it's the first one that came to mind as ability to multitask. But is one action unconscious while the other is in consciousness? NO, all action is in a conscious state otherwise you are a dead stone. like hindhu stone gods. lol,. Now consider the response before you react. Now for one whose is purified, all his 'actions and words' are indeed perfect. So my question to you is, Why, or How so? So by this admission buddha as said he's not all pure. Therefore i find the story not believable in the first person. Whitehorserides for buddha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > hello ac, > > > > i think that in the story you quote the fly is not enough > > considered... > > ...to be continued... > > love > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i am full consciousness. > > > > > > Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? > > > > > > >who are you referring to with your post? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things > > > unconsciously! > > > > > > > > > Do you " know " it? > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Following might be a good example: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha is passing through a town > > > when a fly comes and sits on his > > > forehead. He is talking to his > > > companion, Ananda, and he just goes on > > > talking and moves his hand to throw off > > > the fly. > > > > > > > > > Then suddenly he recognizes > > > that his movement of the hand has been > > > unconscious, mechanical. Because he was > > > talking consciously to Ananda, the hand > > > moved the fly mechanically. He stops > > > and although now there is no fly, he > > > moves his hand again consciously. > > > > > > > > > Ananda says, " What are you doing? The > > > fly has gone away.... " > > > > > > Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone > > > away...but I have committed a sin, > > > because I did it in unconsciousness. " > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > I would like to talk to you, if you do. > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > ac. > > > > my dear ac, > > > Gautama with an 'a' buddha born in Gaya. yes ? > > vegetarian thin man, not pork belly, silly stuff. lol > > buddha #18 incarnation from Vishnu______ bery good, bery, bery good. > > Buddha was making a big joke, or the joke was made in spite of him, > that was registered somewhere and has been handed down through time, > and is meaningless. > > This is my course of thinking, as buddha i'm thinking that all words > and action is in line with God, there is nothing unconscious, not > even sleep. For the saints, and angels, if buddha was really one, all > is purposed and governed by God. > > So the story does not hold water, for i don't believe it ever > happened in the buddha life, unless the buddha guy was in duality, > know what i mean. > > because a reaction is always supported by preconditoned thought. > > For eg i used to race motorcycles at speeds over 100 mph. With four > main limbs i'm performing 5 actions that are 'trained in thought' > while i look to the next interchange or corner, there is automatic > action going on that has been previously processed permitting me to > carry through the total action as 'one' moving forward. > i used this analogy b/c it's the first one that came to mind as > ability to multitask. > But is one action unconscious while the other is in consciousness? > > NO, all action is in a conscious state otherwise you are a dead > stone. like hindhu stone gods. lol,. > > Now consider the response before you react. > > Now for one whose is purified, all his 'actions and words' are indeed > perfect. > > So my question to you is, Why, or How so? > > > So by this admission buddha as said he's not all pure. Therefore i > find the story not believable in the first person. > > > Whitehorserides for buddha. > so Adithya AC so where are you? i see you posting on other lists, so when are you going to come back and answer to your statement So i responded and eve gave you a question, now 's your big chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > hello ac, > > > > i think that in the story you quote the fly is not enough > > considered... > > ...to be continued... > > love > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i am full consciousness. > > > > > > Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? > > > > > > >who are you referring to with your post? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things > > > unconsciously! > > > > > > > > > Do you " know " it? > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Following might be a good example: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha is passing through a town > > > when a fly comes and sits on his > > > forehead. He is talking to his > > > companion, Ananda, and he just goes on > > > talking and moves his hand to throw off > > > the fly. > > > > > > > > > Then suddenly he recognizes > > > that his movement of the hand has been > > > unconscious, mechanical. Because he was > > > talking consciously to Ananda, the hand > > > moved the fly mechanically. He stops > > > and although now there is no fly, he > > > moves his hand again consciously. > > > > > > > > > Ananda says, " What are you doing? The > > > fly has gone away.... " > > > > > > Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone > > > away...but I have committed a sin, > > > because I did it in unconsciousness. " > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > I would like to talk to you, if you do. > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > ac. > > > > my dear ac, > > > Gautama with an 'a' buddha born in Gaya. yes ? > > vegetarian thin man, not pork belly, silly stuff. lol Yes. Silly indeed. Perhaps, not really necessary here. > > buddha #18 incarnation from Vishnu______ bery good, bery, bery good. This too... Perhaps, not really necessary here. > > Buddha was making a big joke, or the joke was made in spite of him, > that was registered somewhere and has been handed down through time, > and is meaningless. I was NOT witness to 'buddha' really said or did. Therefore, all I like to 'comment' on what 'stories' we have and not on what I or you " choose " to 'believe'! > > This is my course of thinking, as buddha i'm thinking that all words > and action is in line with God, there is nothing unconscious, not > even sleep. For the saints, and angels, if buddha was really one, all > is purposed and governed by God. What is NOT 'governed' by 'God'? Everything is... Thus, what you say above looks 'meaningless' to me. > > So the story does not hold water, for i don't believe it ever > happened in the buddha life, unless the buddha guy was in duality, > know what i mean. I do not control what you 'believe' and thus, have no interest in discussing it. > > because a reaction is always supported by preconditoned thought. > > For eg i used to race motorcycles at speeds over 100 mph. With four > main limbs i'm performing 5 actions that are 'trained in thought' > while i look to the next interchange or corner, there is automatic > action going on that has been previously processed permitting me to > carry through the total action as 'one' moving forward. Yes. Body can be 'conditioned' to run on 'automatic'. > i used this analogy b/c it's the first one that came to mind as > ability to multitask. > But is one action unconscious while the other is in consciousness? Yes, as the term is used here. > > NO, all action is in a conscious state otherwise you are a dead > stone. That is not true. > like hindhu stone gods. lol,. Reference to 'hindhu stone gods' is unnecssary and sounds disrespectful without any reason or provocation. That is unfortunate for this forum. Next we might have someone making crude remarks on how Jesus was born! > > Now consider the response before you react. Yes. > > Now for one whose is purified, all his 'actions and words' are indeed > perfect. All actions and words are 'perfect'! Because, they are what they are and can not be otherwise. > > So my question to you is, Why, or How so? See the above. > > > So by this admission buddha as said he's not all pure. Therefore i > find the story not believable in the first person. Ok. You are free to find it any way you prefer. > > > Whitehorserides for buddha. Speak for yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > > > > hello ac, > > > > > > i think that in the story you quote the fly is not enough > > > considered... > > > ...to be continued... > > > love > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am full consciousness. > > > > > > > > Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? > > > > > > > > >who are you referring to with your post? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things > > > > unconsciously! > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you " know " it? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Following might be a good example: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha is passing through a town > > > > when a fly comes and sits on his > > > > forehead. He is talking to his > > > > companion, Ananda, and he just goes on > > > > talking and moves his hand to throw off > > > > the fly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then suddenly he recognizes > > > > that his movement of the hand has been > > > > unconscious, mechanical. Because he was > > > > talking consciously to Ananda, the hand > > > > moved the fly mechanically. He stops > > > > and although now there is no fly, he > > > > moves his hand again consciously. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda says, " What are you doing? The > > > > fly has gone away.... " > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone > > > > away...but I have committed a sin, > > > > because I did it in unconsciousness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > I would like to talk to you, if you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > > ac. > > > > > > my dear ac, > > > > > > Gautama with an 'a' buddha born in Gaya. yes ? > > > > vegetarian thin man, not pork belly, silly stuff. lol > > Yes. Silly indeed. > > Perhaps, not really necessary here. > > > > > > buddha #18 incarnation from Vishnu______ bery good, bery, bery good. > > This too... > > Perhaps, not really necessary here. > > > > > > Buddha was making a big joke, or the joke was made in spite of him, > > that was registered somewhere and has been handed down through time, > > and is meaningless. > > I was NOT witness to 'buddha' really said > or did. > > Therefore, all I like to 'comment' on what > 'stories' we have and not on what I or > you " choose " to 'believe'! > > > > > > > This is my course of thinking, as buddha i'm thinking that all words > > and action is in line with God, there is nothing unconscious, not > > even sleep. For the saints, and angels, if buddha was really one, all > > is purposed and governed by God. > > What is NOT 'governed' by 'God'? > > Everything is... > > Thus, what you say above looks > 'meaningless' to me. Knowing me, and you might understand that i concur that all is governed by God, but there are differences my friend Ac. If you can't agree then pity thee. First there is but one God, not two, but you believe in many gods and you can't seem to get passed elementary reasoning, yet. i don't like to put it that way but how else can i get through. Here for eg you speak of the worsippers of many gods, is that difficult to understand? hindu gods > > > > > > So the story does not hold water, for i don't believe it ever > > happened in the buddha life, unless the buddha guy was in duality, > > know what i mean. > > I do not control what you 'believe' > and thus, have no interest in discussing it. No interest implies that stone heart. i'm interested in what you think, and how you believe and why you are out on a limb. See the difference caring loving heart, like God and not this cold i do car attitude it's just about me. Impersonalism burning in your heart, do a google, and spend an hour reading about what these differences are, don't just see the resemblance of something run off in yor mind, insulating your beliefs. > > > > > > because a reaction is always supported by preconditoned thought. > > > > For eg i used to race motorcycles at speeds over 100 mph. With four > > main limbs i'm performing 5 actions that are 'trained in thought' > > while i look to the next interchange or corner, there is automatic > > action going on that has been previously processed permitting me to > > carry through the total action as 'one' moving forward. > > Yes. Body can be 'conditioned' to > run on 'automatic'. Yes BUT, wrong ac, body has received from a central station or source of stored information called the mind, from which it has gotten it's info, that directs ac. That mind is called spirit, ac. Did you understand that? > > > i used this analogy b/c it's the first one that came to mind as > > ability to multitask. > > But is one action unconscious while the other is in consciousness? > > Yes, as the term is used here. Your term is unconsious implies what? Dead matter directing traffic?___________________think on that! > > > > > > NO, all action is in a conscious state otherwise you are a dead > > stone. > > That is not true. Well, ok the action which led to an accident was it from being dead b/c you reacted to slow, or was the action you did a cause of the accident. Furthermore what was the source or cause of the effect? waiting patiently for your answer, > > > > like hindhu stone gods. lol,. > > Reference to 'hindhu stone gods' > is unnecssary and sounds disrespectful > without any reason or provocation. Jesus as the Holy Prophets had no respect of the hindu gods as God Himself was abhored at their abominations, making wood idols and sitting in front of them with vain repetitions and offering foods to myth gods. Have you not read what the Good Lord said? here's a few only a few passages to confirm > That is unfortunate for this forum. > > Next we might have someone making > crude remarks on how Jesus was born! crude like ' out of wedlock' of which he was born. That's the truth ac, immaculate is garbage, used by christian phd government boys ie lawyers, to manipulate and make their God kind of on par with the myth gods of hindhus. Do you not understand, the myth, gods are how the governments control making the idea of God a joke so they can rule and allow everyone just to sit and argue. That's Satan or 'king evil' and his cronism, evil who is the prince of this ____Not gods world, or make believe gods world, and you're there lapping it up as a dog cleans his plate. This is not disrespectful, this is God's Words right out of Torah. ac. An the jews, no darn well that Jesus's birth was from one of their very own 'virgin daughters of Israel' they're called, which implied they were of the Levites or priestly order. And where it says in the OT , that he, jesus would be born of a virgin, well if you had spent a couple thousand hours ( like i have) reading the Torah, then you would understand that it implied just one of their, own, But you like billions of others listen to phd bullcrap as if they were the authority and believe the little ' Mary had a litttle lamb' dream story. But Jews laugh all the way to the bank with the story all the pagan christians to have it their way and even exploit them at the box office with their forgone bull crap ideas. ____Did you hear that? or are you blocking information.? > > > > Now consider the response before you react. > > Yes. > > > > > Now for one whose is purified, all his 'actions and words' are indeed > > perfect. > > All actions and words are 'perfect'! > > Because, they are what they are and > can not be otherwise. i made a 90 minute audio tape in 01, on this very subject, you would benefit a great deal by hearing it, b/c it goes into detail with analogies and sound reasoning abou this very point. Yes all goes on perfectly but their are seperate tyes of energy going on. Just like the other day i used your own AC as an eg of AC and DC,. But i make use of other more simple and practical examples in life to show the imperfection within Perfection. not a contradiction either. > > > > > So my question to you is, Why, or How so? > > See the above. > > > > > > > So by this admission buddha as said he's not all pure. Therefore i > > find the story not believable in the first person. > > Ok. You are free to find > it any way you prefer. Well here was your chance to make your big comeback. By the sounds of your, " i want to speak to you, " sounded like you had some big ((wise))answer, so where is it, or why did you say that? > > > > Whitehorserides for buddha. > > Speak for yourself! > i am speaking knowledge, as you are, just what is your source? looking forward to the next encounter. Whitehorserides would you like one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 dear one, the story points to the fact that the Buddha is not the person of Gautama Siddharta. Consciousness is not personal. does the fly know it? Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > hello ac, > > i think that in the story you quote the fly is not enough > considered... > ...to be continued... > love > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > i am full consciousness. > > > > Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? > > > > >who are you referring to with your post? > > > > > > > > > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things > > unconsciously! > > > > > > Do you " know " it? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Following might be a good example: > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha is passing through a town > > when a fly comes and sits on his > > forehead. He is talking to his > > companion, Ananda, and he just goes on > > talking and moves his hand to throw off > > the fly. > > > > > > Then suddenly he recognizes > > that his movement of the hand has been > > unconscious, mechanical. Because he was > > talking consciously to Ananda, the hand > > moved the fly mechanically. He stops > > and although now there is no fly, he > > moves his hand again consciously. > > > > > > Ananda says, " What are you doing? The > > fly has gone away.... " > > > > Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone > > away...but I have committed a sin, > > because I did it in unconsciousness. " > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > I would like to talk to you, if you do. > > > > > > With warm regards, > > ac. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > dear one, > > the story points to the fact that the Buddha is not the person of > Gautama Siddharta. Consciousness is not personal. does the fly know > it? > > is that it? that the buddha was a regular guy and i was right? and are you asking b/c? What does the fly know? oh waaba? tell us besides planet where you are waaba or may it devulge to much? got something to hide? try whitehoresrides > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > hello ac, > > > > i think that in the story you quote the fly is not enough > > considered... > > ...to be continued... > > love > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i am full consciousness. > > > > > > Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? > > > > > > >who are you referring to with your post? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things > > > unconsciously! > > > > > > > > > Do you " know " it? > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Following might be a good example: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha is passing through a town > > > when a fly comes and sits on his > > > forehead. He is talking to his > > > companion, Ananda, and he just goes on > > > talking and moves his hand to throw off > > > the fly. > > > > > > > > > Then suddenly he recognizes > > > that his movement of the hand has been > > > unconscious, mechanical. Because he was > > > talking consciously to Ananda, the hand > > > moved the fly mechanically. He stops > > > and although now there is no fly, he > > > moves his hand again consciously. > > > > > > > > > Ananda says, " What are you doing? The > > > fly has gone away.... " > > > > > > Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone > > > away...but I have committed a sin, > > > because I did it in unconsciousness. " > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > I would like to talk to you, if you do. > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > ac. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 I'm not talking to you Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > dear one, > > > > the story points to the fact that the Buddha is not the person of > > Gautama Siddharta. Consciousness is not personal. does the fly know > > it? > > > > > is that it? that the buddha was a regular guy and i was right? > and are you asking b/c? > > > What does the fly know? oh waaba? > tell us besides planet where you are waaba or may it devulge to much? > got something to hide? > > try whitehoresrides > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > hello ac, > > > > > > i think that in the story you quote the fly is not enough > > > considered... > > > ...to be continued... > > > love > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am full consciousness. > > > > > > > > Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? > > > > > > > > >who are you referring to with your post? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things > > > > unconsciously! > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you " know " it? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Following might be a good example: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha is passing through a town > > > > when a fly comes and sits on his > > > > forehead. He is talking to his > > > > companion, Ananda, and he just goes on > > > > talking and moves his hand to throw off > > > > the fly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then suddenly he recognizes > > > > that his movement of the hand has been > > > > unconscious, mechanical. Because he was > > > > talking consciously to Ananda, the hand > > > > moved the fly mechanically. He stops > > > > and although now there is no fly, he > > > > moves his hand again consciously. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda says, " What are you doing? The > > > > fly has gone away.... " > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone > > > > away...but I have committed a sin, > > > > because I did it in unconsciousness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > I would like to talk to you, if you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > > ac. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > hello ac, > > > > > > > > i think that in the story you quote the fly is not enough > > > > considered... > > > > ...to be continued... > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am full consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? > > > > > > > > > > >who are you referring to with your post? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things > > > > > unconsciously! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you " know " it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following might be a good example: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha is passing through a town > > > > > when a fly comes and sits on his > > > > > forehead. He is talking to his > > > > > companion, Ananda, and he just goes on > > > > > talking and moves his hand to throw off > > > > > the fly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then suddenly he recognizes > > > > > that his movement of the hand has been > > > > > unconscious, mechanical. Because he was > > > > > talking consciously to Ananda, the hand > > > > > moved the fly mechanically. He stops > > > > > and although now there is no fly, he > > > > > moves his hand again consciously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda says, " What are you doing? The > > > > > fly has gone away.... " > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone > > > > > away...but I have committed a sin, > > > > > because I did it in unconsciousness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > > > I would like to talk to you, if you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > > > ac. > > > > > > > > my dear ac, > > > > > > > > > Gautama with an 'a' buddha born in Gaya. yes ? > > > > > > vegetarian thin man, not pork belly, silly stuff. lol > > > > Yes. Silly indeed. > > > > Perhaps, not really necessary here. > > > > > > > > > > buddha #18 incarnation from Vishnu______ bery good, bery, bery > good. > > > > This too... > > > > Perhaps, not really necessary here. > > > > > > > > > > Buddha was making a big joke, or the joke was made in spite of > him, > > > that was registered somewhere and has been handed down through > time, > > > and is meaningless. > > > > I was NOT witness to 'buddha' really said > > or did. > > > > Therefore, all I like to 'comment' on what > > 'stories' we have and not on what I or > > you " choose " to 'believe'! > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my course of thinking, as buddha i'm thinking that all > words > > > and action is in line with God, there is nothing unconscious, not > > > even sleep. For the saints, and angels, if buddha was really one, > all > > > is purposed and governed by God. > > > > What is NOT 'governed' by 'God'? > > > > Everything is... > > > > Thus, what you say above looks > > 'meaningless' to me. > > Knowing me, and you might understand that i concur that all is > governed by God, but there are differences my friend Ac. If you can't > agree then pity thee. Don't. > First there is but one God, not two, but you believe in many gods Don't put words in my mouth. >and > you can't seem to get passed elementary reasoning, yet. i don't > like I don't like that. If you think... 'I can't seem to get passed elementary reasoning' please don't waste mine and group's time discussing anything with me. Ok? > to put it that way but how else can i get through. > Here for eg you speak of the worsippers of many gods, is that > difficult to understand? hindu gods Why you bring " hindu gods " ? Am I discussing them? Bring some sense... else... > > > > > > > > So the story does not hold water, for i don't believe it ever > > > happened in the buddha life, unless the buddha guy was in > duality, > > > know what i mean. > > > > I do not control what you 'believe' > > and thus, have no interest in discussing it. > > No interest implies that stone heart. i'm interested in what you > think, Don't. > and how you believe don't. > and why you are out on a limb. If you think " I am out on a limb. " ... please don't waste mine and group's time discussing anything with me. Ok? >See the > difference caring loving heart, like God and not this cold i do car > attitude it's just about me. > Impersonalism burning in your heart, do a google, and spend an hour > reading about what these differences are, don't just see the > resemblance of something run off in yor mind, insulating your beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > because a reaction is always supported by preconditoned thought. > > > > > > For eg i used to race motorcycles at speeds over 100 mph. With > four > > > main limbs i'm performing 5 actions that are 'trained in thought' > > > while i look to the next interchange or corner, there is > automatic > > > action going on that has been previously processed permitting > me to > > > carry through the total action as 'one' moving forward. > > > > Yes. Body can be 'conditioned' to > > run on 'automatic'. > > Yes BUT, wrong ac, body has received from a central station or source > of stored information called the mind, from which it has gotten it's > info, that directs ac. That mind is called spirit, ac. > Did you understand that? Body has its 'own' inteeligence too. Cells divide... White cells fight deseases without instructions from 'mind'. Later... [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 In the Bhagavad Geeta Lord Krushna says, " In whatever form one worships me I instill his faith in that form " . Stones are non-living, but not Spiritual Emotion in the mind of the devotee. It is this Spiritual Emotion which counts. Even if you worship a stone idol, God will still be there with you. Rama and Arjuna worshipped Lord Shiva, in the form of a mere mound of clay and yet pleased him with their devotion. Prahlad caused God to appear from a Pillar. The concept of idol worship can be understood if we consider for example a similar analogy. In Chemistry we represent water as H2O. We also represent Hydrogen with H2.Even though H2 does not actually mean Hydrogen it represents Hydrogen Element and can be used in solving complex Chemical Calculations. Similarly an idol is a representative of the Supreme God or Eeshwara. Instead of Banning persons who use derogatory disrespectful language against Hinduism and Hindus, we should take this as an opportunity of expressing the truth. Truth alone prevails. (Satyameva Jayate) Hindu Janjagruti Samiti. Krunvanto Vishwam Aaryam http://www.hindujagruti.org whitehorserides <green1911 wrote: Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > hello ac, > > > > i think that in the story you quote the fly is not enough > > considered... > > ...to be continued... > > love > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i am full consciousness. > > > > > > Yes. In same way as a 'brick' is... 'emptiness'? > > > > > > >who are you referring to with your post? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who " know " that sometimes they do things > > > unconsciously! > > > > > > > > > Do you " know " it? > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Following might be a good example: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha is passing through a town > > > when a fly comes and sits on his > > > forehead. He is talking to his > > > companion, Ananda, and he just goes on > > > talking and moves his hand to throw off > > > the fly. > > > > > > > > > Then suddenly he recognizes > > > that his movement of the hand has been > > > unconscious, mechanical. Because he was > > > talking consciously to Ananda, the hand > > > moved the fly mechanically. He stops > > > and although now there is no fly, he > > > moves his hand again consciously. > > > > > > > > > Ananda says, " What are you doing? The > > > fly has gone away.... " > > > > > > Gautam Buddha says, " The fly has gone > > > away...but I have committed a sin, > > > because I did it in unconsciousness. " > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > I would like to talk to you, if you do. > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > ac. > > > > my dear ac, > > > Gautama with an 'a' buddha born in Gaya. yes ? > > vegetarian thin man, not pork belly, silly stuff. lol > > buddha #18 incarnation from Vishnu______ bery good, bery, bery good. > > Buddha was making a big joke, or the joke was made in spite of him, > that was registered somewhere and has been handed down through time, > and is meaningless. > > This is my course of thinking, as buddha i'm thinking that all words > and action is in line with God, there is nothing unconscious, not > even sleep. For the saints, and angels, if buddha was really one, all > is purposed and governed by God. > > So the story does not hold water, for i don't believe it ever > happened in the buddha life, unless the buddha guy was in duality, > know what i mean. > > because a reaction is always supported by preconditoned thought. > > For eg i used to race motorcycles at speeds over 100 mph. With four > main limbs i'm performing 5 actions that are 'trained in thought' > while i look to the next interchange or corner, there is automatic > action going on that has been previously processed permitting me to > carry through the total action as 'one' moving forward. > i used this analogy b/c it's the first one that came to mind as > ability to multitask. > But is one action unconscious while the other is in consciousness? > > NO, all action is in a conscious state otherwise you are a dead > stone. like hindhu stone gods. lol,. > > Now consider the response before you react. > > Now for one whose is purified, all his 'actions and words' are indeed > perfect. > > So my question to you is, Why, or How so? > > > So by this admission buddha as said he's not all pure. Therefore i > find the story not believable in the first person. > > > Whitehorserides for buddha. > so Adithya AC so where are you? i see you posting on other lists, so when are you going to come back and answer to your statement So i responded and eve gave you a question, now 's your big chance. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti Samiti <hindu_janjagruti> wrote: > > In the Bhagavad Geeta Lord Krushna says, " In whatever form one worships me I instill his faith in that form " . > > Stones are non-living, but not Spiritual Emotion in the mind of the devotee. It is this Spiritual Emotion which counts. Even if you worship a stone idol, God will still be there with you. Rama and Arjuna worshipped Lord Shiva, in the form of a mere mound of clay and yet pleased him with their devotion. Prahlad caused God to appear from a Pillar. ______Before you go too far with the stone gods and all the stories around them. you need to take a chill pill. You do realize that you have swallowed these stories ____hook, line and sinker_____ You are speaking as if this were all true, and we are supposed to believe it, just remember, your in chill pill form right now. That means that what your are saying and the wooden stories and the many renditions of all those wooden icon,idol gods are still not being accepted in chill pill form. Pralad caused God to appear from a pillar _____ya right charlie hindu. Which god was that? and all that pleasing stuff , nice stories written by some hindus, using imaginationa and words of a different language then colored into paintings or pictures suddenly start taking on new forms and gods are flying through the air and all that stuff. Are you still in chill pill form? Or are you having a hard time hearing me that i'm saying your stuff is just another world of mythological, kind of like science fiction writing but from another perspective. Why do you think if God can pop out of pillars back then, that people are not faithful or honesttoday, or can't be honest enough to have God jump around in and behind bushes and jump out of stones statues today? So now you might know i live with the chill pill form knowledge, lol having been to the idol country, lands of many gods, became brahmanized and came back again. So before you believe and trust that all the blue-green fish stories and flying kalya serpents are real and not just story tale, fables, that made it into myth books well HOLD ON TO YOUR MIND, I MEAN SEAT._________________TAKE A CHILL PILL______ BUD______>LOL The drugs__gods__ are good for some people, even these far fetched stories tied in with 'moral like righteous life' which mirrors in some ways what is allready said by the Holy Prophets less the flying tree gods,and the magic spells. NOr the rambling repetitions of brainwashing techniques to make you a 'god robot' without a heart. Now there are other ideas of not god types which you might do well to get some of those idol images despite your saying that Krishna said to worship me in any way and i'll be there. Instead of a stone carving from India, i just dropped a huge tree this summer and my cousin next door is an expert carver. How about he make you a little wooden gopi god, to lie down in front of and your wives can make clothes for the gopi gods and we'll even make sure that you get some cool little story that you eat up ____hook line and sinker___about how one day while outside carving the little gopi god actually said something while my cousin the devoted carver was just about to take a bedee break, and her colours increased into this golden hue as she was standing there, she said, " i'm proud of you " __how sweet eh? Have you taken that chill pill yet?________________it's called the best of ''wakeup pills'' there is, and they'll straighten you out quick. > > The concept of idol worship can be understood if we consider for example a similar analogy. In Chemistry we represent water as H2O. We also represent Hydrogen with H2.Even though H2 does not actually mean Hydrogen it represents Hydrogen Element and can be used in solving complex Chemical Calculations. Similarly an idol is a representative of the Supreme God or Eeshwara. > > Instead of Banning persons who use derogatory disrespectful language against Hinduism and Hindus, we should take this as an opportunity of expressing the truth. ____YES HINDHISM, exactly man made religion, God does not come in man made religions. He is God after all what. All these stories are ways of controlling, people for some ulterior motive and is used by all the faiths today, and they have much to do with being morally a better person. oh boy. However the True God, your Father says, don't put any gods before me, neither make pictures and stone statues with or just images conjured up in your mind. Furthermore don't even bow down to them, and don't serve them with any food, or dring offerings, for they are not gods and they will destroy your heart, spirit and soul. DID YOU GET THAT?_______________OH HINDHU MAN__________. In whatever form you worship god, he will increase your faith. Now your faith has been increased, it's time to understand that you need to decrease. Analogy___It's like you've been consuming an FDA chemically approved drug, but now 30 years later, they have discovered it has been detri_mental side affects and is killing people with gastronomical cancer and causing heart failure at a premature age. Understand, you like analogies eat this one. so now the chemical is banned but the side effects while linger on through many gernerations to come. But it was an honest mistake by the Government FDA, boys._______________get the picture? All religions are good, freedom of religion, right now the biggest drug being put forth in this modern world is certain parts of the body and more particulary a womens, b/c 'sex sells'. Capitolsim and democracy, evil kings, is what's ruling these days. Krishna drugs and wooden ideas are just varying ways to get you to behave. Ultimately you are subject to the capitolist gods, and their drugs of choice. Wake up my friends___________take a chill pill____. READ THIS true STORY. i have much more to tell you, but you need to start with a chill pill, to calm down, so you can open the spirit, which has been dragged down ________ memory lane, called " dead-end -dark alley " filled with rapists and murderers, stealing your hearts and tossing your bodies to the dogs. ______________lol, how's that? Here's the extension: One day a hindu -god carver was on a delivery and faced some giant fierce looking demons as he was passing an alley way. Suddenly the little stone-idol carrying carver, happened to get mugged!!! But krishna statue-God jumped forth from the idol and smashed the rapist-killer demon, over the head, and protected his darling devotee, while he was delivering his latest carving of Him to the ''murti store' up the street. The story spread through town and there here hundreds of orders for the same type of wooden carved god. And there was peace and all the rapists and killer types left town and the peace was restored. OH how krishna saved the town from the demons. Paint that picture , write the book and there you go buddy. the latest EPISODE, in the God-Krishna " " save all the children " " _______LOLOLOL see how easily it is to fabricate stories and you bought it,, right??? _____hook_________________line ________________sinker________see. > > Truth alone prevails. (Satyameva Jayate) LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL____________----ya right who's truth ?????? _______________having a nice idol life prabhu who? how about a few vuncha kulpa's for desert? ____lol > > Hindu Janjagruti Samiti. > Krunvanto Vishwam Aaryam > http://www.hindujagruti.org WHITEHORSErides are free, we don't have wooden gods or not gods it's God as the Holy Spirit as written Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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