Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami Why did God express Himself in different forms in a single Hindu religion in India? In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e. Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion. People are criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why don’t they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the first point. Now, the question comes, “Why should there be diversity at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or Islam?” All right. Let us assume that there is a single form in Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form. Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world? Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is appearing at the macro level i.e. the world. The solution at macro level is very important than at the micro level because in India, wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc .The problem at the micro level never disturbed the peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of the world. To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings. Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine. The fanatic is the disease. This knowledge not only cures various fanatics in the Hindu religion, but also cures the various fanatics of religions in the world. In fact, there is only one God in Hinduism i.e. Lord Datta who appears in various forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Actually, God Datta purposely created the diversity in the forms of God in Hinduism to teach the unity in diversity in all the religions in the world. This is just like a mini model prepared to represent the entire world. The same design in the mini model appears as a huge building when constructed. Similarly, the concept in Hinduism is the message for the entire universe. Lord Datta is the teacher for the world. A teacher praises his student in one subject and praises another student in another subject. He will ask them to help each other. Similarly, India should learn the sacrifice from abroad and the rest of the world should learn about unity in diversity from India. One has to take the good aspect from every religion. I do not belong to any religion but belong equally to all the religions. I do not support or condemn any religion blindly. I pick up the pearls from all the oceans. I criticize Hinduism for several points like not doing the sacrifice of money or work for God, caste system etc. As per the point of unity in diversity is concerned, I praise Indians. I criticize the rest of the world. So, irrespective of the name of the religion, one has to pick up the good points from every religion. Are you rejecting the diamond from a foreign country? Diamond is a diamond anywhere in the world. You cannot differentiate an Indian diamond and a foreign diamond. The logic in the unity of Hinduism is based on the same God appearing in various forms and qualities to satisfy the tastes of different people when He comes in human form. The nature of Vishnu is ‘Sattvam’ i.e. soft nature. So, soft people like Vishnu. The nature of Shiva is ‘Tamas’ i.e. emotional nature. People of such nature like Shiva. When there is synchrony in nature of the devotee and the human form of God, the attraction and adaptability is more. Then the message of God to that human form reaches the devotee easily. The message is same but the forms of God are different. The same milk is given in different types of cups. Somebody likes a ceramic cup and somebody likes a glass cup. The form of God is as per your liking, but the divine message preached by all forms of God is the same. It is just like the same syllabus present in different language mediums. The unity in diversity in Hinduism is actually practiced by almost all the people. In every house, people celebrate the festival of Vishnu and the festival of Shiva. In every house, the photos of almost all the forms of Hindu God are worshipped in India. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org whitehorserides <green1911 wrote: Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti Samiti <hindu_janjagruti> wrote: > > In the Bhagavad Geeta Lord Krushna says, " In whatever form one worships me I instill his faith in that form " . > > Stones are non-living, but not Spiritual Emotion in the mind of the devotee. It is this Spiritual Emotion which counts. Even if you worship a stone idol, God will still be there with you. Rama and Arjuna worshipped Lord Shiva, in the form of a mere mound of clay and yet pleased him with their devotion. Prahlad caused God to appear from a Pillar. Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: Seriously answer this question prakki, do you want me to dissect this garbage every time you post one undivine basket of garbage? Now if so , cause you seen me do it, what is your motive or reason? Be truthful, do you like it ? does your guru like it, b/c if he really is , like i had guru do once i would have brought this to his attention and not tolerated it. so what is your true reason for posting this. After all personalism ie hindhu god stuff is not a NIz thing. Do you know that? You are not going to make any traction with impersonaiist unless you can get intercourse. And frankly speaking you need to get your own mind in action before you are completely STONED ____________GET IT? STONED, stone heart, stoned _____as in really high, like an lsd trip that you never come down from. don't get hari'd out, it's a long road back to true love and truly feeling people, and identifying with your true self and the heart that God made you. Not blue-green god either. Didn't you get a clue the other day when i posted about loving your children and giving them love so they have a confident, strong and emotionally balanced spirit to love with. True love does not imply an intense exercise in intellectulism. Simple love, life and laughing. is much more relevent. lolila _______________lol ______________i like that one. laugh life love life love laugh laugh love life. (*_*)____________________know what i mean sing that song whitehorserides peace and respond truthfully > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami > > Why did God express Himself in different forms in a single Hindu religion in India? > > In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e. Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion. People are criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why don't they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the first point. Now, the question comes, " Why should there be diversity at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or Islam? " All right. Let us assume that there is a single form in Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form. Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world? Now, > there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is appearing at the macro level i.e. the world. The solution at macro level is very important than at the micro level because in India, wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc .The problem at the micro level never disturbed the peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of the world. > > To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings. Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine. The fanatic is the disease. This knowledge not only cures various fanatics in the Hindu religion, but also cures the various fanatics of religions in the world. In fact, there is only one God in Hinduism i.e. Lord Datta who appears in various forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Actually, God Datta purposely created the diversity in the forms of God in Hinduism > to teach the unity in diversity in all the religions in the world. This is just like a mini model prepared to represent the entire world. The same design in the mini model appears as a huge building when constructed. Similarly, the concept in Hinduism is the message for the entire universe. Lord Datta is the teacher for the world. A teacher praises his student in one subject and praises another student in another subject. He will ask them to help each other. Similarly, India should learn the sacrifice from abroad and the rest of the world should learn about unity in diversity from India. > > One has to take the good aspect from every religion. I do not belong to any religion but belong equally to all the religions. I do not support or condemn any religion blindly. I pick up the pearls from all the oceans. I criticize Hinduism for several points like not doing the sacrifice of money or work for God, caste system etc. As per the point of unity in diversity is concerned, I praise Indians. I criticize the rest of the world. So, irrespective of the name of the religion, one has to pick up the good points from every religion. Are you rejecting the diamond from a foreign country? Diamond is a diamond anywhere in the world. You cannot differentiate an Indian diamond and a foreign diamond. The logic in the unity of Hinduism is based on the same God appearing in various forms and qualities to satisfy the tastes of different people when He comes in human form. The nature of Vishnu is `Sattvam' i.e. soft nature. So, soft people like Vishnu. The nature of Shiva is `Tamas' i.e. > emotional nature. People of such nature like Shiva. When there is synchrony in nature of the devotee and the human form of God, the attraction and adaptability is more. Then the message of God to that human form reaches the devotee easily. The message is same but the forms of God are different. The same milk is given in different types of cups. Somebody likes a ceramic cup and somebody likes a glass cup. The form of God is as per your liking, but the divine message preached by all forms of God is the same. It is just like the same syllabus present in different language mediums. The unity in diversity in Hinduism is actually practiced by almost all the people. In every house, people celebrate the festival of Vishnu and the festival of Shiva. In every house, the photos of almost all the forms of Hindu God are worshipped in India. > > posted by: His servant > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > www.universal-spirituality.org > > whitehorserides <green1911@v...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Hindu Janajagruti Samiti <hindu_janjagruti> wrote: > > > > In the Bhagavad Geeta Lord Krushna says, " In whatever form one worships me I instill his faith in that form " . > > > > Stones are non-living, but not Spiritual Emotion in the mind of the devotee. It is this Spiritual Emotion which counts. Even if you worship a stone idol, God will still be there with you. Rama and Arjuna worshipped Lord Shiva, in the form of a mere mound of clay and yet pleased him with their devotion. Prahlad caused God to appear from a Pillar. > > > Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 dear friend Very very lengthy spiritual discussions are going on without touching any aspect of Lord. People can judge very fast about others. But the validity of the judgment is the very question. Many guys are participating in many forums and posting mails. Some people are idolators of some gurus and some are their own idolators. In essence the same. As regards to posting in many forums is also same. So no right to comment. When an article of real worth is posted which is in line with scriptures, the importance of it is not at all realised. Very unfortunate situation. Does not matter. Lord is only one and if we divide Him into hindu god, christian god, muslim god ... nobody will ever be able to please Lord. Partly hating Him and partly pleasing Him will not please Him. Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami Ravana fooled Rama by sending the golden deer and stole away Sita. But this fooling finally resulted in the end of Ravana only. This fooling is a mini drama in the big divine drama, which was designed by the Lord Himself. Krishna and Arjuna were taken away from the war by a part of the army. Abhimanyu was killed in their absence and Duryodhana thought that he fooled Krishna. But finally it resulted in killing of Saindhava, the brother-in-law of Duryodhana and also it resulted in killing of Karna who was the main hope of Duryodhana. Krishna asked Arjuna to kill Karna even though Karna was without bow and arrows. Killing of Abhimanyu became the reason for Krishna to kill Karna. Somakasura stole away Vedas from Brahma, when Brahma was in meditation. He thought that he fooled Brahma. But finally it resulted in killing of that demon only. Hiranyakasipu asked Brahma for immortality by asking boons from all sides. He thought that he became immortal by his over intelligence. But God came as Narasimha and created the loopholes for all the boons and killed the demon. Thus, the extra intelligence of the demon resulted in his killing only. Karthaverya’s sons killed Jamadagni when Parasurama was absent. They thought that they fooled Parasurama. But finally Parasurama killed all of them. Judas fooled Jesus in getting Him arrested. But finally Jesus went to God and Judas committed suicide. Jesus told about Judas to His devotees in the beginning itself. The soldiers insulted Jesus asking Him to save Himself if He is God. This does not mean that Jesus was impotent to save Himself. Rama was fooled by Ravana and this does not mean that Rama was ignorant. Neither Jesus was impotent nor Rama was ignorant. All this was will of God and every thing was the divine play. Such incidents act as the tests of the faith of the devotees. If the devotee of Rama doubts Rama as ignorant, his faith is crumbled. If the devotee of the Jesus doubts Jesus as impotent, his faith is also crumbled. Rama wept for Sita without knowing that Ravana stole her. Jesus also cried on cross asking God that why God left Him. All these stand as tests of the faith of their devotees. Moreover, God who came down to the earth also enjoys in such ignorant roles and forgets Himself for sometime to fully immerse in the role and enjoy. A producer and director of a film, acting in the role of servant in the film forgets his status and enjoys the role for some time. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org whitehorserides <green1911 wrote: Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: Seriously answer this question prakki, do you want me to dissect this garbage every time you post one undivine basket of garbage? Now if so , cause you seen me do it, what is your motive or reason?Be truthful, do you like it ? does your guru like it, b/c if he really is , like i had guru do once i would have brought this to his attention and not tolerated it. so what is your true reason for posting this. After all personalism ie hindhu god stuff is not a NIz thing. Do you know that? You are not going to make any traction with impersonaiist unless you can get intercourse. And frankly speaking you need to get your own mind in action before you are completely STONED ____________GET IT? STONED, stone heart, stoned _____as in really high, like an lsd trip that you never come down from. don't get hari'd out, it's a long road back to true love and truly feeling people, and identifying with your true self and the heart that God made you. Not blue-green god either. Didn't you get a clue the other day when i posted about loving your children and giving them love so they have a confident, strong and emotionally balanced spirit to love with. True love does not imply an intense exercise in intellectulism. Simple love, life and laughing. is much more relevent. Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > dear friend > > Very very lengthy spiritual discussions are going on without touching any aspect of Lord. People can judge very fast about others. But the validity of the judgment is the very question. Many guys are participating in many forums and posting mails. Some people are idolators of some gurus and some are their own idolators. In essence the same. As regards to posting in many forums is also same. So no right to comment. > > When an article of real worth is posted which is in line with scriptures, They are not scrptures, fairy tales and manufactured mythology, what 's wrong with you. there's one God , loiving rama bama or umi do or krishna blue wont save you. because it's all idolatry a falling game of mythology , forget the bleu god scriptures there not just stories to entertain, like fiction writhers makingup stories ont he locals sam e thing with christian , stories made up of Jesus being born without sex, or walking in the air or making arms appear form nowhere. like the jews and christians speak of the moses and the ocean splitting appart or a snake taking or even a donkey story and the only donkey ever to talk. Or the story of a big fir e ball coming down from the sky and swallowed up 500 people for elijah or quail like mana falling from the skies for food. what about poisinous frogs jumping around the Pharoahs camp biting everbody , killing them and then Jesus looking at pots of water and poof they turned into wine or he picked up some dirt and rubbed a bums eyes and he could see. ____________lies,_____________lies_________mythology that's not scripture that's not bible or Gods' Word jus man spreading lies about SUPERDUPER GOD IN LALALALAL LAND ____________WAKE __________UP ___________ I NEVER READ THE BIBLE LIKE THAT . you have to be guided by CHEATS and blinded fools to belive that. SAME AS YOUR FLYING MYTH GODS_______________NOT SCRIPTURE and they don't line up_____________the buck stops here at Me buddy. the importance of it is not at all realised. Very unfortunate situation. Does not matter. Lord is only one and if we divide Him into hindu god, christian god, muslim god ... nobody will ever be able to please Lord. Partly hating Him and partly pleasing Him will not please Him. God doesn't divede _______OH NO ________He makes him like the ocean lets all go jump into the ocean of a million gods all the same _____________I WANT TO MEET THAT DATTA , WHERE IS HE? SEND HIM MY POSTS, YES I CAN DO IT, BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. Tell him to get his master gurudo buddies, too. Jesus and the HOLY PROPHETS showed no respect for these LIARS. but they still loved them. love sometimes means a strong word, from Father. or His good son. i haven't divorced my Father, never did. That would mean i would have to off whoring, according to the Holy Prophets. you know what a whore is prakki? look into________________ that one! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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