Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I wonder if my theories are doing me any good. I just feel more emotional pain that even becomes physical pain. Not very good. All I can hope is that this is some form of cleansing process. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > I wonder if my theories are doing me any good. I just feel more > emotional pain that even becomes physical pain. Not very good. All I > can hope is that this is some form of cleansing process. > > al. best wishes and hopes Al. it's always interesting to read your theories....... the intention and deep wish to reach the truth....by theories or however....bring some fruits..... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 > I wonder if my theories are doing me any good. I just feel more > emotional pain that even becomes physical pain. Not very good. All I > can hope is that this is some form of cleansing process. > > al. The following suggests a series of steps for going into that. Clarify your use of the word " pain " . If you limit the word " pain " to physical pain, and use the word suffering for psychological pain, then the emotional pain you describe is *suffering*. It is quite distinct from physical pain. How is suffering distinct from physical pain? Physical pain can be in the now, but suffering requires time. Physical pain does not require thought. Suffering does require thought. It has been over a decade since I have had a head cold, but back when I did have them I would be sitting at home and unable to do much of anything, really. For example I would be unable to read in any satisfactory manner. But then I made a discovery. I learned to experience the odd prickly sensations in my head that were due to the head cold as simply that: odd, prickly sensations in my head. I let go of being annoyed that I couldn't do the things I was accustomed to doing and became totally, vigillantly aware of the odd prickily sensation in my head. The consequence of this was that my suffering from the cold ended. I was being totally in the now, and so I was no longer experiencing pain, I was just experiencing micro-slices of experience, each slice being the odd physical sensations of that moment. That same sort of process applies to the kind of suffering (emotional pain) that you describe. If you break it down into micro-slices of experience (effectively ending " psychological time " ) then the suffering ends because you are no longer thinking about what is going on (which is the process behind the experience of suffering), but rather experiencing vividly each moment the sensations that present themselves at that moment. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> wrote: > > > I wonder if my theories are doing me any good. I just feel more > > emotional pain that even becomes physical pain. Not very good. All I > > can hope is that this is some form of cleansing process. > > > > al. > > > The following suggests a series of steps > for going into that. > > Clarify your use of the word " pain " . > If you limit the word " pain " to physical pain, > and use the word suffering for psychological > pain, then the emotional pain you describe > is *suffering*. It is quite distinct from > physical pain. > > How is suffering distinct from physical pain? > Physical pain can be in the now, but suffering > requires time. Physical pain does not require > thought. Suffering does require thought. > > It has been over a decade since I have had a > head cold, but back when I did have them > I would be sitting at home and unable to do > much of anything, really. For example I would > be unable to read in any satisfactory manner. > But then I made a discovery. I learned to > experience the odd prickly sensations in my > head that were due to the head cold as simply > that: odd, prickly sensations in my head. > I let go of being annoyed that I couldn't do > the things I was accustomed to doing and > became totally, vigillantly aware of the odd > prickily sensation in my head. > > The consequence of this was that my suffering > from the cold ended. I was being totally in > the now, and so I was no longer experiencing > pain, I was just experiencing micro-slices of > experience, each slice being the odd physical > sensations of that moment. > > That same sort of process applies to the kind > of suffering (emotional pain) that you describe. > If you break it down into micro-slices of > experience (effectively ending " psychological > time " ) then the suffering ends because you > are no longer thinking about what is going on > (which is the process behind the experience of > suffering), but rather experiencing vividly > each moment the sensations that present > themselves at that moment. > > > Bill > Hi Bill, Yes, there is a strong connection between thinking and emotions. I think what you did with your cold is what I am thinking about. To sort out emotions from thinking. I feel that emotions are a reflection of thinking in the body. Emotions are felt in the now but are really created as a part of psychological time and therefore have a connection to the intellects projections into the past and future. The intellect activates emotional memories in relations to its thoughts. Emotional memories are not only a result from my childhood to present day but also a result of humanities collective genetical inheritance which goes back millions of years into the past. When we become angry, for example, there is not only angry thoughts, but also an intense pressure of the emotional part inside the body, and even the physical body itself becomes stiff and very much affected. So there is a very complex interaction between the intellect and the body. I have come to suspect that all negative emotions are caused by the intellects limited view about itself and time. The constant projection of thoughts into the future can only create to basic emotions: waiting or stress. It is only when the intellect FORGETS its self-created sense of time that it can function in a more conflictless way, for example when we are occupied with something interesting to do or experience, for example watching a good movie. Stress is created by the intellects ideas about external pressure on itself, so stress is a reversed form of waiting: the external world is waiting for the intellect to manage to achieve certain things, and so the intellect now becomes the obstacle. In ordinary waiting, the now is the obstacle, because the intellect don't want the now, but something more important it wants to do/experience in the future. Psychological fear is only an intense form of stress, and anger is a defense-mechanism for psychological fear. Other negative emotions, such as deep sorrow also has its root in psychological time, and therefore is a result of stress/waiting. For example, loss is experienced by the intellect as an increased pressure on the intellect that thinks that it has to replace that loss somehow using effort, so loss results in a form of stress. Psychological time is always conflict from the intellect's point of view. And all emotions that are part of psychological time are a result of that inner conflict. We can perhaps even say that ALL emotions are a result of psychological time, and conflictless states of being are grounded in feelings, not emotions. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 We can perhaps even say that ALL emotions are a result of psychological time, and conflictless states of being are grounded in feelings, not emotions. >>>>>> There you go. And what you say about conflict, yes, because in the immediacy of now there *can be* no conflict. It takes time, the comparison/ contrast of this/that to occasion conflict. The collapse of complexity into the immediacy of feeling opens the door into the rush of newness ever-present. Bill Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> wrote: > > > > > I wonder if my theories are doing me any good. I just feel more > > > emotional pain that even becomes physical pain. Not very good. All I > > > can hope is that this is some form of cleansing process. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > The following suggests a series of steps > > for going into that. > > > > Clarify your use of the word " pain " . > > If you limit the word " pain " to physical pain, > > and use the word suffering for psychological > > pain, then the emotional pain you describe > > is *suffering*. It is quite distinct from > > physical pain. > > > > How is suffering distinct from physical pain? > > Physical pain can be in the now, but suffering > > requires time. Physical pain does not require > > thought. Suffering does require thought. > > > > It has been over a decade since I have had a > > head cold, but back when I did have them > > I would be sitting at home and unable to do > > much of anything, really. For example I would > > be unable to read in any satisfactory manner. > > But then I made a discovery. I learned to > > experience the odd prickly sensations in my > > head that were due to the head cold as simply > > that: odd, prickly sensations in my head. > > I let go of being annoyed that I couldn't do > > the things I was accustomed to doing and > > became totally, vigillantly aware of the odd > > prickily sensation in my head. > > > > The consequence of this was that my suffering > > from the cold ended. I was being totally in > > the now, and so I was no longer experiencing > > pain, I was just experiencing micro-slices of > > experience, each slice being the odd physical > > sensations of that moment. > > > > That same sort of process applies to the kind > > of suffering (emotional pain) that you describe. > > If you break it down into micro-slices of > > experience (effectively ending " psychological > > time " ) then the suffering ends because you > > are no longer thinking about what is going on > > (which is the process behind the experience of > > suffering), but rather experiencing vividly > > each moment the sensations that present > > themselves at that moment. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > Hi Bill, > > Yes, there is a strong connection between thinking and emotions. I > think what you did with your cold is what I am thinking about. To sort > out emotions from thinking. I feel that emotions are a reflection of > thinking in the body. Emotions are felt in the now but are really > created as a part of psychological time and therefore have a > connection to the intellects projections into the past and future. The > intellect activates emotional memories in relations to its thoughts. > Emotional memories are not only a result from my childhood to present > day but also a result of humanities collective genetical inheritance > which goes back millions of years into the past. > > When we become angry, for example, there is not only angry thoughts, > but also an intense pressure of the emotional part inside the body, > and even the physical body itself becomes stiff and very much > affected. So there is a very complex interaction between the intellect > and the body. > > I have come to suspect that all negative emotions are caused by the > intellects limited view about itself and time. The constant projection > of thoughts into the future can only create to basic emotions: waiting > or stress. It is only when the intellect FORGETS its self-created > sense of time that it can function in a more conflictless way, for > example when we are occupied with something interesting to do or > experience, for example watching a good movie. > > Stress is created by the intellects ideas about external pressure on > itself, so stress is a reversed form of waiting: the external world is > waiting for the intellect to manage to achieve certain things, and so > the intellect now becomes the obstacle. In ordinary waiting, the now > is the obstacle, because the intellect don't want the now, but > something more important it wants to do/experience in the future. > Psychological fear is only an intense form of stress, and anger is a > defense-mechanism for psychological fear. Other negative emotions, > such as deep sorrow also has its root in psychological time, and > therefore is a result of stress/waiting. For example, loss is > experienced by the intellect as an increased pressure on the intellect > that thinks that it has to replace that loss somehow using effort, so > loss results in a form of stress. > > Psychological time is always conflict from the intellect's point of > view. And all emotions that are part of psychological time are a > result of that inner conflict. We can perhaps even say that ALL > emotions are a result of psychological time, and conflictless states > of being are grounded in feelings, not emotions. > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> wrote: > > We can perhaps even say that ALL emotions are a > result of psychological time, and conflictless > states of being are grounded in feelings, not > emotions. > >>>>>> > > There you go. > > And what you say about conflict, yes, > because in the immediacy of now there *can be* > no conflict. It takes time, the comparison/ > contrast of this/that to occasion conflict. > > > > The collapse of complexity > into the immediacy of feeling > opens the door into the rush of newness > ever-present. > > > Bill > That was a good description. I believe the whole sense of one's sense of psychological time has to collapse into the present living moment. J. Krishnamurti talked about this for over 50 years! Today Eckhart Tolle is very adamant about the same point. I think there IS a possibility to live in a new state of mind. At least, the inner conflict created by the thinking mind is crystal clear. The great fear is that there is no way out of that mess. I will contemplate that fear for a while to see what happens. To sink in to the fear in the moment, the fear of living. Samadhi Sadhana! al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> wrote: > > > > We can perhaps even say that ALL emotions are a > > result of psychological time, and conflictless > > states of being are grounded in feelings, not > > emotions. > > >>>>>> > > > > There you go. > > > > And what you say about conflict, yes, > > because in the immediacy of now there *can be* > > no conflict. It takes time, the comparison/ > > contrast of this/that to occasion conflict. > > > > > > > > The collapse of complexity > > into the immediacy of feeling > > opens the door into the rush of newness > > ever-present. > > > > > > Bill Your efforts to dissect and absorb yourself to conclude an optimistic end sounds refreshing to the reader. now what is the " newness ever-present " that you speak of? How is it maintained if it is so? i guess i won't get an answer, b/c i'm on ignore, but there you go my artist friend. whitehorserides al writes > That was a good description. I believe the whole sense of one's sense > of psychological time has to collapse into the present living moment. > J. Krishnamurti talked about this for over 50 years! Today Eckhart > Tolle is very adamant about the same point. I think there IS a > possibility to live in a new state of mind. At least, the inner > conflict created by the thinking mind is crystal clear. The great fear > is that there is no way out of that mess. I will contemplate that fear > for a while to see what happens. To sink in to the fear in the moment, > the fear of living. > > Samadhi Sadhana! > > al. > This to me al, appears that you have experienced a recent pain or falling out, and your are in search of what, once was a part of your life, and you've come back to, looking for some sense of solace. It's a beutiful thing to recognize inner peace and even where it originates from. Tapping into the source of peace is also the same source for love. Just like connecting the plug to the outlet, it then becomes a live wire, lol. if this is not the good assumption, it was written for someone else. peace, love and Godspeed. whitehorserides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > wrote: > > > > > > We can perhaps even say that ALL emotions are a > > > result of psychological time, and conflictless > > > states of being are grounded in feelings, not > > > emotions. > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > There you go. > > > > > > And what you say about conflict, yes, > > > because in the immediacy of now there *can be* > > > no conflict. It takes time, the comparison/ > > > contrast of this/that to occasion conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > The collapse of complexity > > > into the immediacy of feeling > > > opens the door into the rush of newness > > > ever-present. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > Your efforts to dissect and absorb yourself to conclude an optimistic > end sounds refreshing to the reader. > > now what is the " newness ever-present " that you speak of? > > How is it maintained if it is so? > > i guess i won't get an answer, b/c i'm on ignore, but there you go my > artist friend. > > > whitehorserides > > > al writes > > > That was a good description. I believe the whole sense of one's > sense > > of psychological time has to collapse into the present living > moment. > > J. Krishnamurti talked about this for over 50 years! Today Eckhart > > Tolle is very adamant about the same point. I think there IS a > > possibility to live in a new state of mind. At least, the inner > > conflict created by the thinking mind is crystal clear. The great > fear > > is that there is no way out of that mess. I will contemplate that > fear > > for a while to see what happens. To sink in to the fear in the > moment, > > the fear of living. > > > > Samadhi Sadhana! > > > > al. > > > This to me al, appears that you have experienced a recent pain or > falling out, and your are in search of what, once was a part of your > life, and you've come back to, looking for some sense of solace. > It's a beutiful thing to recognize inner peace and even where it > originates from. Tapping into the source of peace is also the same > source for love. Just like connecting the plug to the outlet, it then > becomes a live wire, lol. > > if this is not the good assumption, it was written for someone else. > > peace, love and Godspeed. > > whitehorserides > My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. But that could be a good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of life. Maybe, just maybe, inner peace can cut through all the mess in my mind and untie the knot in my physical/emotional heart. I feel the winds of change in the air. Who knows where we will end up. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 > My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. But that could be a > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of life. The greatest insights, the deepest spiritual breakthroughs, come in times of crisis. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> wrote: > > > My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. But that could be a > > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of life. > > The greatest insights, the deepest spiritual > breakthroughs, come in times of crisis. > > > > Bill > I think so too. When one has learned to stay in the moment, then one's sense of self becomes immensely strong. If I had experienced the same mess some years ago I would have undoubtely fallen in to a severe depression. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> wrote: > > > > > My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. But that could be a > > > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of life. > > > > The greatest insights, the deepest spiritual > > breakthroughs, come in times of crisis. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > I think so too. When one has learned to stay in the moment, then one's > sense of self becomes immensely strong. If I had experienced the same > mess some years ago I would have undoubtely fallen in to a severe > depression. > > al. > remember down is not out, but look up all you see is bright blue white sky. look to the sun, that shadows will fall behind you allways here to lend an ear, my friend. whitehorserides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > wrote: > > > > > > > My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. But that could > be a > > > > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of life. > > > > > > The greatest insights, the deepest spiritual > > > breakthroughs, come in times of crisis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > I think so too. When one has learned to stay in the moment, then > one's > > sense of self becomes immensely strong. If I had experienced the > same > > mess some years ago I would have undoubtely fallen in to a severe > > depression. > > > > al. > > > remember down is not out, but look up all you see is bright blue > white sky. > > look to the sun, that shadows will fall behind you > > allways here to lend an ear, my friend. > > whitehorserides > Yes, there is a vast display of creation going on all the time. It really is impressive how all the atoms and photons can exist in so exact figurations. When a person is depressed, he or she does not see that. When we are suffering we see only our intellect's gloomy pictures about our own personal future. I find much confort in what for example David Icke said: he said, stand back and look at it (the intellect as far as I am concerned): " It's a piece of shit! " :-) al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. But that could > > be a > > > > > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of life. > > > > > > > > The greatest insights, the deepest spiritual > > > > breakthroughs, come in times of crisis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > I think so too. When one has learned to stay in the moment, then > > one's > > > sense of self becomes immensely strong. If I had experienced the > > same > > > mess some years ago I would have undoubtely fallen in to a severe > > > depression. > > > > > > al. > > > > > remember down is not out, but look up all you see is bright blue > > white sky. > > > > look to the sun, that shadows will fall behind you > > > > allways here to lend an ear, my friend. > > > > whitehorserides > > > > > Yes, there is a vast display of creation going on all the time. It > really is impressive how all the atoms and photons can exist in so > exact figurations. When a person is depressed, he or she does not see > that. When we are suffering we see only our intellect's gloomy > pictures about our own personal future. I find much confort in what > for example David Icke said: he said, stand back and look at it (the > intellect as far as I am concerned): " It's a piece of shit! " :-) > > al. > lololol that's funny, but remember al all that goes around comes around, bring the mind back to the place of pleasantries and let the shodows be what they are without substance. love cannot be rationalized, but when it's tangled in personal expectations it's it will find it's end. That's the inevitable for this life of conditional expectations. So like the teacher at the end of the day wipes the slate clean, and says see you tommorrow. You leave clean and come back to a whole new board. sometimes we have to do that in life one wipe has two meanings. so does changing our physical personal scenery sometimes is just enough, and can be like wiping the slate clean. Remember a shower is for the outside, truth, trust and Love is for the inside. David the psamist said Peace be within. may i suggest you read Psalms, it't the most beautiful piece of writing that you can find your self in, and realize the way out. whitehorserides love ya man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > <illieusion@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. But that > could > > > be a > > > > > > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of > life. > > > > > > > > > > The greatest insights, the deepest spiritual > > > > > breakthroughs, come in times of crisis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think so too. When one has learned to stay in the moment, > then > > > one's > > > > sense of self becomes immensely strong. If I had experienced > the > > > same > > > > mess some years ago I would have undoubtely fallen in to a > severe > > > > depression. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > remember down is not out, but look up all you see is bright blue > > > white sky. > > > > > > look to the sun, that shadows will fall behind you > > > > > > allways here to lend an ear, my friend. > > > > > > whitehorserides > > > > > > > > > Yes, there is a vast display of creation going on all the time. It > > really is impressive how all the atoms and photons can exist in so > > exact figurations. When a person is depressed, he or she does not > see > > that. When we are suffering we see only our intellect's gloomy > > pictures about our own personal future. I find much confort in what > > for example David Icke said: he said, stand back and look at it (the > > intellect as far as I am concerned): " It's a piece of shit! " :-) > > > > al. > > > lololol > > > that's funny, but remember al all that goes around comes around, > bring the mind back to the place of pleasantries and let the shodows > be what they are without substance. > love cannot be rationalized, but when it's tangled in personal > expectations it's it will find it's end. > > That's the inevitable for this life of conditional expectations. So > like the teacher at the end of the day wipes the slate clean, and > says see you tommorrow. You leave clean and come back to a whole new > board. > sometimes we have to do that in life one wipe has two meanings. > > so does changing our physical personal scenery sometimes is just > enough, and can be like wiping the slate clean. > > Remember a shower is for the outside, truth, trust and Love is for > the inside. David the psamist said Peace be within. > > may i suggest you read Psalms, it't the most beautiful piece of > writing that you can find your self in, and realize the way out. > > whitehorserides > > love ya man. > Some teachers say, for example Nukunu, that when you are " realized " , then you read the old scriptures in a whole new way, and you can then see the true meaning in/behind them. Maybe I should wait a bit before reading scriptures as I can feel that I am not realized yet. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > > <illieusion@h...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. But that > > could > > > > be a > > > > > > > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > The greatest insights, the deepest spiritual > > > > > > breakthroughs, come in times of crisis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think so too. When one has learned to stay in the moment, > > then > > > > one's > > > > > sense of self becomes immensely strong. If I had experienced > > the > > > > same > > > > > mess some years ago I would have undoubtely fallen in to a > > severe > > > > > depression. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > remember down is not out, but look up all you see is bright blue > > > > white sky. > > > > > > > > look to the sun, that shadows will fall behind you > > > > > > > > allways here to lend an ear, my friend. > > > > > > > > whitehorserides > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, there is a vast display of creation going on all the time. It > > > really is impressive how all the atoms and photons can exist in so > > > exact figurations. When a person is depressed, he or she does not > > see > > > that. When we are suffering we see only our intellect's gloomy > > > pictures about our own personal future. I find much confort in what > > > for example David Icke said: he said, stand back and look at it (the > > > intellect as far as I am concerned): " It's a piece of shit! " :-) > > > > > > al. > > > > > lololol > > > > > > that's funny, but remember al all that goes around comes around, > > bring the mind back to the place of pleasantries and let the shodows > > be what they are without substance. > > love cannot be rationalized, but when it's tangled in personal > > expectations it's it will find it's end. > > > > That's the inevitable for this life of conditional expectations. So > > like the teacher at the end of the day wipes the slate clean, and > > says see you tommorrow. You leave clean and come back to a whole new > > board. > > sometimes we have to do that in life one wipe has two meanings. > > > > so does changing our physical personal scenery sometimes is just > > enough, and can be like wiping the slate clean. > > > > Remember a shower is for the outside, truth, trust and Love is for > > the inside. David the psamist said Peace be within. > > > > may i suggest you read Psalms, it't the most beautiful piece of > > writing that you can find your self in, and realize the way out. > > > > whitehorserides > > > > love ya man. > > > > > Some teachers say, for example Nukunu, that when you are " realized " , > then you read the old scriptures in a whole new way, and you can then > see the true meaning in/behind them. Maybe I should wait a bit before > reading scriptures as I can feel that I am not realized yet. > > al. > 46:10 " be still and know that I am God, I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth " 46:1 " God is our refuge and streghth, a very present help in trouble. " 45:1 " My heart is inditing a good matter, I speak of the things which I have made touching the king, my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. 69: " save O God, for the waters are come into my soul. " 80:4 " O Lord God of hosts, how long wilt thou be angry against the prayer of thy people? " 142:3 " When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my path. In the way wherein I walked prively they laid a snare for me. " just randomly flipped a few pages there so beautiful peace out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > On Dec 13, 2005, at 5:48 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > A; My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. > > P; The above is the judgment of the past indicting > the present. Hoping to recreate the past in the future, > or maybe some ideal version of life, which is again the > past masquerading as a better future. > > > A; But that could be a > > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of life. > > P: Another view of life would be just more old concepts, > only reshuffled a bit different. Why not pay attention to > what is happening now, without any ulterior motive. > Suffering has only one form: REJECTION OF THE PRESENT. > As long as the hope for change persist, suffering will be there > in one guise or another. Change is INEVITABLE, you don't > have to do anything for it to happen. Just observe the > present with utter curiosity, without motive, and it will vanish > before your eyes. It is YOUR REJECTION WHICH GIVES IT > Continuity. It's that simply! But if you observe, just for it to > change, then it won't, because that observation is not sincere, > just another form of rejection. > > > > A: Maybe, just maybe, inner peace can cut through all the mess in my > > mind > > and untie the knot in my physical/emotional heart. I feel the winds of > > change in the air. Who knows where we will end up. > > P: Inner peace is ACCEPTANCE OF WHAT Is HAPPeNING. THere > can be no peace without accepting the now. > > > > > al. > > > Hi Pete, I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now. And one cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched observer, I guess. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Anders, You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance, there is only rejection. Letting go rejection is already acceptance. And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer. Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 13, 2005, at 5:48 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > > > A; My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. > > > > P; The above is the judgment of the past indicting > > the present. Hoping to recreate the past in the future, > > or maybe some ideal version of life, which is again the > > past masquerading as a better future. > > > > > A; But that could be a > > > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of life. > > > > P: Another view of life would be just more old concepts, > > only reshuffled a bit different. Why not pay attention to > > what is happening now, without any ulterior motive. > > Suffering has only one form: REJECTION OF THE PRESENT. > > As long as the hope for change persist, suffering will be there > > in one guise or another. Change is INEVITABLE, you don't > > have to do anything for it to happen. Just observe the > > present with utter curiosity, without motive, and it will vanish > > before your eyes. It is YOUR REJECTION WHICH GIVES IT > > Continuity. It's that simply! But if you observe, just for it to > > change, then it won't, because that observation is not sincere, > > just another form of rejection. > > > > > > > A: Maybe, just maybe, inner peace can cut through all the mess in my > > > mind > > > and untie the knot in my physical/emotional heart. I feel the winds of > > > change in the air. Who knows where we will end up. > > > > P: Inner peace is ACCEPTANCE OF WHAT Is HAPPeNING. THere > > can be no peace without accepting the now. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now. And one > cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched observer, I > guess. > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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