Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > > > <illieusion@h...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. But that > > > could > > > > > be a > > > > > > > > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view > of > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The greatest insights, the deepest spiritual > > > > > > > breakthroughs, come in times of crisis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think so too. When one has learned to stay in the moment, > > > then > > > > > one's > > > > > > sense of self becomes immensely strong. If I had > experienced > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > mess some years ago I would have undoubtely fallen in to a > > > severe > > > > > > depression. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > remember down is not out, but look up all you see is bright > blue > > > > > white sky. > > > > > > > > > > look to the sun, that shadows will fall behind you > > > > > > > > > > allways here to lend an ear, my friend. > > > > > > > > > > whitehorserides > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, there is a vast display of creation going on all the time. > It > > > > really is impressive how all the atoms and photons can exist in > so > > > > exact figurations. When a person is depressed, he or she does > not > > > see > > > > that. When we are suffering we see only our intellect's gloomy > > > > pictures about our own personal future. I find much confort in > what > > > > for example David Icke said: he said, stand back and look at it > (the > > > > intellect as far as I am concerned): " It's a piece of shit! " :-) > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > lololol > > > > > > > > > that's funny, but remember al all that goes around comes around, > > > bring the mind back to the place of pleasantries and let the > shodows > > > be what they are without substance. > > > love cannot be rationalized, but when it's tangled in personal > > > expectations it's it will find it's end. > > > > > > That's the inevitable for this life of conditional expectations. > So > > > like the teacher at the end of the day wipes the slate clean, and > > > says see you tommorrow. You leave clean and come back to a whole > new > > > board. > > > sometimes we have to do that in life one wipe has two meanings. > > > > > > so does changing our physical personal scenery sometimes is just > > > enough, and can be like wiping the slate clean. > > > > > > Remember a shower is for the outside, truth, trust and Love is > for > > > the inside. David the psamist said Peace be within. > > > > > > may i suggest you read Psalms, it't the most beautiful piece of > > > writing that you can find your self in, and realize the way out. > > > > > > whitehorserides > > > > > > love ya man. > > > > > > > > > Some teachers say, for example Nukunu, that when you are " realized " , > > then you read the old scriptures in a whole new way, and you can > then > > see the true meaning in/behind them. Maybe I should wait a bit > before > > reading scriptures as I can feel that I am not realized yet. > > > > al. > > > 46:10 " be still and know that I am God, I will be exalted among the > heathen, I will be exalted in the earth " > 46:1 " God is our refuge and streghth, a very present help in > trouble. " > 45:1 " My heart is inditing a good matter, I speak of the things which > I have made touching the king, my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. > 69: " save O God, for the waters are come into my soul. " > 80:4 " O Lord God of hosts, how long wilt thou be angry against the > prayer of thy people? " > 142:3 " When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my > path. In the way wherein I walked prively they laid a snare for me. " > > just randomly flipped a few pages > > there so beautiful > > peace out > I see God as the Arrow of Time, " it/he/she " cuts through an infinite jungle of entropy. Life finds a way. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 On Dec 13, 2005, at 5:48 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > A; My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. P; The above is the judgment of the past indicting the present. Hoping to recreate the past in the future, or maybe some ideal version of life, which is again the past masquerading as a better future. > A; But that could be a > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of life. P: Another view of life would be just more old concepts, only reshuffled a bit different. Why not pay attention to what is happening now, without any ulterior motive. Suffering has only one form: REJECTION OF THE PRESENT. As long as the hope for change persist, suffering will be there in one guise or another. Change is INEVITABLE, you don't have to do anything for it to happen. Just observe the present with utter curiosity, without motive, and it will vanish before your eyes. It is YOUR REJECTION WHICH GIVES IT Continuity. It's that simply! But if you observe, just for it to change, then it won't, because that observation is not sincere, just another form of rejection. > A: Maybe, just maybe, inner peace can cut through all the mess in my > mind > and untie the knot in my physical/emotional heart. I feel the winds of > change in the air. Who knows where we will end up. P: Inner peace is ACCEPTANCE OF WHAT Is HAPPeNING. THere can be no peace without accepting the now. > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Anders, You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance, there is only rejection. Letting go rejection is already acceptance. And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer. Werner P: Yes, Good Way to put it, W. Maybe that will be easier to grasp. But, maybe, then he will ask, 'Who is there to let go?' The very seeing, the clarity let go, no who is needed, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > A: I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now. And one > cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched observer, I > guess. > > al. > > Hi Al, > > P: My friend, acceptance is not a complicate word, > unless one likes complicating the simple, and > you do. Acceptance means approval, an unconditional > yes. Accepting the now is not about some ideal flow. > It's about this shit here and now. It's about saying > yes to it, and watching it, and living it wholeheartedly. > > No one consulted you about being born, no one consults > you when things go wrong, no one will ask you if > you want to die when your time comes. You have only > to options: you accept, or not. If you accept the > inevitable, it will hurt less, if you don't, it > won't change, it will just hurt more. Your choice! > > Pete > Al Well don't listen to these fake healers!!!!!!! What this, pete just said is a bunch of crap. He is not addressing the problem and besides there are consling people called friends who actually do care and are there for there brothers and sisters. God is not a misguided missle just blowing up recklessly without precision and reason. There is order to the world. Similarily, while he freely provides all He also heals all. That is why He made children and family to love and live in harmony. you are not alone, it's not just you. It's about God and you. You cannot do anything on your own. That's why i said read psamls, everybody can relate to these songs, and can heal and grow from association with them. It's not when your ill you just shut the door and stay locked up inside your apartment, you must go get medicine and be healed. If you just stay in your room you can die. Accepting that you need help is the right medicine, God says those with a contrite heart will know me. This is a very interesting discussion and don't take anything personally, have an open your heart and breath, and hear the soothing words of a Loving God, who cares and is always there . Your not alone. whitehorserides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > Anders, > > You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance, > there is only rejection. > > Letting go rejection is already acceptance. > > And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer. > > Werner > > P: Yes, Good Way to put it, W. > Maybe that will be easier > to grasp. But, maybe, then > he will ask, 'Who is there to > let go?' The very seeing, the clarity > let go, no who is needed, of course. > > AL look here, two from the same school, can't even decide what the answer is, there consulting " maybe this, maybe that " , all mental thought gymnastics. soory al, looks pretty obvious. You would think these two, would be alined and not rambling through words. Their questioning whether or not, if they should use a needle or a knife to fix the wound, i would high tail out of that office in a hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!run lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 WHR, Its really time now that you get removed from this list. Halelujah, when you are gone. Werner Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > A: I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now. And > one > > cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched > observer, I > > guess. > > > > al. > > > > Hi Al, > > > > P: My friend, acceptance is not a complicate word, > > unless one likes complicating the simple, and > > you do. Acceptance means approval, an unconditional > > yes. Accepting the now is not about some ideal flow. > > It's about this shit here and now. It's about saying > > yes to it, and watching it, and living it wholeheartedly. > > > > No one consulted you about being born, no one consults > > you when things go wrong, no one will ask you if > > you want to die when your time comes. You have only > > to options: you accept, or not. If you accept the > > inevitable, it will hurt less, if you don't, it > > won't change, it will just hurt more. Your choice! > > > > Pete > > > > Al > > > Well don't listen to these fake healers!!!!!!! > > What this, pete just said is a bunch of crap. He is not addressing > the problem and besides there are consling people called friends who > actually do care and are there for there brothers and sisters. > > God is not a misguided missle just blowing up recklessly without > precision and reason. There is order to the world. > Similarily, while he freely provides all He also heals all. That is > why He made children and family to love and live in harmony. > > you are not alone, it's not just you. It's about God and you. You > cannot do anything on your own. > > That's why i said read psamls, everybody can relate to these songs, > and can heal and grow from association with them. > It's not when your ill you just shut the door and stay locked up > inside your apartment, you must go get medicine and be healed. > If you just stay in your room you can die. > Accepting that you need help is the right medicine, God says those > with a contrite heart will know me. > > This is a very interesting discussion and don't take anything > personally, have an open your heart and breath, and hear the soothing > words of a Loving God, who cares and is always there . > > Your not alone. > > whitehorserides > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > WHR, > > Its really time now that you get removed from this list. > > Halelujah, when you are gone. > > Werner be quiet. you look better that way. > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > > > A: I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now. > And > > one > > > cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched > > observer, I > > > guess. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > > > P: My friend, acceptance is not a complicate word, > > > unless one likes complicating the simple, and > > > you do. Acceptance means approval, an unconditional > > > yes. Accepting the now is not about some ideal flow. > > > It's about this shit here and now. It's about saying > > > yes to it, and watching it, and living it wholeheartedly. > > > > > > No one consulted you about being born, no one consults > > > you when things go wrong, no one will ask you if > > > you want to die when your time comes. You have only > > > to options: you accept, or not. If you accept the > > > inevitable, it will hurt less, if you don't, it > > > won't change, it will just hurt more. Your choice! > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > Al > > > > > > Well don't listen to these fake healers!!!!!!! > > > > What this, pete just said is a bunch of crap. He is not addressing > > the problem and besides there are consling people called friends > who > > actually do care and are there for there brothers and sisters. > > > > God is not a misguided missle just blowing up recklessly without > > precision and reason. There is order to the world. > > Similarily, while he freely provides all He also heals all. That is > > why He made children and family to love and live in harmony. > > > > you are not alone, it's not just you. It's about God and you. You > > cannot do anything on your own. > > > > That's why i said read psamls, everybody can relate to these songs, > > and can heal and grow from association with them. > > It's not when your ill you just shut the door and stay locked up > > inside your apartment, you must go get medicine and be healed. > > If you just stay in your room you can die. > > Accepting that you need help is the right medicine, God says those > > with a contrite heart will know me. > > > > This is a very interesting discussion and don't take anything > > personally, have an open your heart and breath, and hear the > soothing > > words of a Loving God, who cares and is always there . > > > > Your not alone. > > > > whitehorserides > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 - Pete S nisargadatta Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:23 AM Emotional Pain Hi Pete, A: I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now. And one cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched observer, I guess. al. Hi Al, P: My friend, acceptance is not a complicate word, unless one likes complicating the simple, and you do. Acceptance means approval, an unconditional yes. Accepting the now is not about some ideal flow. It's about this shit here and now. It's about saying yes to it, and watching it, and living it wholeheartedly. No one consulted you about being born, no one consults you when things go wrong, no one will ask you if you want to die when your time comes. You have only to options: you accept, or not. If you accept the inevitable, it will hurt less, if you don't, it won't change, it will just hurt more. Your choice! Pete Ah, Pete we meet, acceptance of the rejection is possible in the reflection and interjection of the wayward soul who knows no one will satiate relate castigate and band-aid assumptions born composed and rewritten in the course of time, interloping the whole-hearted mind-bending embedded and rethreaded sewn together as any and all broken pieces of the lionhearted who says YES to life, cheers we meet, mySelf, my friend, the end is the beginning of unconditional choice which is love flowing as the gift of One's life, gratitude in the matter of spirit, so die in the fire of now, won One, a painless explosion, the gospel of relatively born and reborn as it was in the beginning so it shall be in the end with noOne beginning... Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Anders, > > You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance, > there is only rejection. > > Letting go rejection is already acceptance. > > And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer. > > Werner > Hi Werner, Yeah, probably " the observer is the observed " . al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > A: I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now. And one > cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched observer, I > guess. > > al. > > Hi Al, > > P: My friend, acceptance is not a complicate word, > unless one likes complicating the simple, and > you do. Acceptance means approval, an unconditional > yes. Accepting the now is not about some ideal flow. > It's about this shit here and now. It's about saying > yes to it, and watching it, and living it wholeheartedly. > > No one consulted you about being born, no one consults > you when things go wrong, no one will ask you if > you want to die when your time comes. You have only > to options: you accept, or not. If you accept the > inevitable, it will hurt less, if you don't, it > won't change, it will just hurt more. Your choice! > > Pete > As a Swami said, " remove the no, and only yes remains " al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > Anders, > > > > You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance, > > there is only rejection. > > > > Letting go rejection is already acceptance. > > > > And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer. > > > > Werner > > > > P: Yes, Good Way to put it, W. > > Maybe that will be easier > > to grasp. But, maybe, then > > he will ask, 'Who is there to > > let go?' The very seeing, the clarity > > let go, no who is needed, of course. > > > > > AL > > look here, two from the same school, can't even decide what the > answer is, there consulting " maybe this, maybe that " , all mental > thought gymnastics. > > soory al, > looks pretty obvious. You would think these two, would be alined and > not rambling through words. > > Their questioning whether or not, if they should use a needle or a > knife to fix the wound, i would high tail out of that office in a > hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!run > > lol > When we stay in the now, there is no need to run. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > > > Anders, > > > > > > You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance, > > > there is only rejection. > > > > > > Letting go rejection is already acceptance. > > > > > > And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: Yes, Good Way to put it, W. > > > Maybe that will be easier > > > to grasp. But, maybe, then > > > he will ask, 'Who is there to > > > let go?' The very seeing, the clarity > > > let go, no who is needed, of course. > > > > > > > > AL > > > > look here, two from the same school, can't even decide what the > > answer is, there consulting " maybe this, maybe that " , all mental > > thought gymnastics. > > > > soory al, > > looks pretty obvious. You would think these two, would be alined and > > not rambling through words. > > > > Their questioning whether or not, if they should use a needle or a > > knife to fix the wound, i would high tail out of that office in a > > hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!run > > > > lol > > > > > When we stay in the now, there is no need to run. > > al. > if you stay in the way of the tornado, you get tornado if you feel pain, and stay in the now, you contain the pain. if you stand under a rain cloud, you get wet. if you sit in front of the sun, you get burnt if you say you need gas , you go get gas if you say you have empty stomach, you eat food if you say you have a mess, you clean it up, if you don't, it will live with stay there. if the spirit is depressed, that means bad impressions are there. you need to make change the impressions if you stay in the now, then now change means no new impression i said make new impressions, read Psalms i did say run, but you must run from dualities, or too many opinions. too many cooks spoil the broth. There is only 'one consciousness' that you want listen to Niz, he says connect to the Absolute, you cannot stop thought b/c you cannot stop consciousness. but hook up with that consciousness _________________now_________that now. " when we stay in 'that now' there is no need to run " al_________i'm still waiting for Niz's expression of Absolute, or what that consciouness is there might be discrepancies yet, so i'm waiting for Niz devotees to put forth information. we're getting closer!! maybe push waaba off the cliff and see if his lotus feet can hook up on a tree limb on the way down and save him. then while hanging for his life if speaks some saving lotus Niz words we might have the answers______stay tuned___ commercial break time. whitehorserides always the white horse dressed with white mind. (: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > > > Anders, > > > > > > You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance, > > > there is only rejection. > > > > > > Letting go rejection is already acceptance. > > > > > > And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: Yes, Good Way to put it, W. > > > Maybe that will be easier > > > to grasp. But, maybe, then > > > he will ask, 'Who is there to > > > let go?' The very seeing, the clarity > > > let go, no who is needed, of course. > > > > > > > > AL > > > > look here, two from the same school, can't even decide what the > > answer is, there consulting " maybe this, maybe that " , all mental > > thought gymnastics. > > > > soory al, > > looks pretty obvious. You would think these two, would be alined and > > not rambling through words. > > > > Their questioning whether or not, if they should use a needle or a > > knife to fix the wound, i would high tail out of that office in a > > hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!run > > > > lol > > > > > When we stay in the now, there is no need to run. > > al. nice words Al. thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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