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Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> > > > <green1911@v...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

> > > <illieusion@h...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit. But that

> > > could

> > > > > be a

> > > > > > > > good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view

> of

> > > life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The greatest insights, the deepest spiritual

> > > > > > > breakthroughs, come in times of crisis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think so too. When one has learned to stay in the moment,

> > > then

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > sense of self becomes immensely strong. If I had

> experienced

> > > the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > mess some years ago I would have undoubtely fallen in to a

> > > severe

> > > > > > depression.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > al.

> > > > > >

> > > > > remember down is not out, but look up all you see is bright

> blue

> > > > > white sky.

> > > > >

> > > > > look to the sun, that shadows will fall behind you

> > > > >

> > > > > allways here to lend an ear, my friend.

> > > > >

> > > > > whitehorserides

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes, there is a vast display of creation going on all the time.

> It

> > > > really is impressive how all the atoms and photons can exist in

> so

> > > > exact figurations. When a person is depressed, he or she does

> not

> > > see

> > > > that. When we are suffering we see only our intellect's gloomy

> > > > pictures about our own personal future. I find much confort in

> what

> > > > for example David Icke said: he said, stand back and look at it

> (the

> > > > intellect as far as I am concerned): " It's a piece of shit! " :-)

> > > >

> > > > al.

> > > >

> > > lololol

> > >

> > >

> > > that's funny, but remember al all that goes around comes around,

> > > bring the mind back to the place of pleasantries and let the

> shodows

> > > be what they are without substance.

> > > love cannot be rationalized, but when it's tangled in personal

> > > expectations it's it will find it's end.

> > >

> > > That's the inevitable for this life of conditional expectations.

> So

> > > like the teacher at the end of the day wipes the slate clean, and

> > > says see you tommorrow. You leave clean and come back to a whole

> new

> > > board.

> > > sometimes we have to do that in life one wipe has two meanings.

> > >

> > > so does changing our physical personal scenery sometimes is just

> > > enough, and can be like wiping the slate clean.

> > >

> > > Remember a shower is for the outside, truth, trust and Love is

> for

> > > the inside. David the psamist said Peace be within.

> > >

> > > may i suggest you read Psalms, it't the most beautiful piece of

> > > writing that you can find your self in, and realize the way out.

> > >

> > > whitehorserides

> > >

> > > love ya man.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Some teachers say, for example Nukunu, that when you are " realized " ,

> > then you read the old scriptures in a whole new way, and you can

> then

> > see the true meaning in/behind them. Maybe I should wait a bit

> before

> > reading scriptures as I can feel that I am not realized yet.

> >

> > al.

> >

> 46:10 " be still and know that I am God, I will be exalted among the

> heathen, I will be exalted in the earth "

> 46:1 " God is our refuge and streghth, a very present help in

> trouble. "

> 45:1 " My heart is inditing a good matter, I speak of the things which

> I have made touching the king, my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.

> 69: " save O God, for the waters are come into my soul. "

> 80:4 " O Lord God of hosts, how long wilt thou be angry against the

> prayer of thy people? "

> 142:3 " When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my

> path. In the way wherein I walked prively they laid a snare for me. "

>

> just randomly flipped a few pages

>

> there so beautiful

>

> peace out

>

 

 

I see God as the Arrow of Time, " it/he/she " cuts through an infinite

jungle of entropy. Life finds a way.

 

al.

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On Dec 13, 2005, at 5:48 AM, Nisargadatta wrote:

 

> A; My life is a bit of a mess right now, I admit.

 

P; The above is the judgment of the past indicting

the present. Hoping to recreate the past in the future,

or maybe some ideal version of life, which is again the

past masquerading as a better future.

 

> A; But that could be a

> good thing too. I am almost forced to find another view of life.

 

P: Another view of life would be just more old concepts,

only reshuffled a bit different. Why not pay attention to

what is happening now, without any ulterior motive.

Suffering has only one form: REJECTION OF THE PRESENT.

As long as the hope for change persist, suffering will be there

in one guise or another. Change is INEVITABLE, you don't

have to do anything for it to happen. Just observe the

present with utter curiosity, without motive, and it will vanish

before your eyes. It is YOUR REJECTION WHICH GIVES IT

Continuity. It's that simply! But if you observe, just for it to

change, then it won't, because that observation is not sincere,

just another form of rejection.

 

 

> A: Maybe, just maybe, inner peace can cut through all the mess in my

> mind

> and untie the knot in my physical/emotional heart. I feel the winds of

> change in the air. Who knows where we will end up.

 

P: Inner peace is ACCEPTANCE OF WHAT Is HAPPeNING. THere

can be no peace without accepting the now.

 

>

> al.

>

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Anders,

 

You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance,

there is only rejection.

 

Letting go rejection is already acceptance.

 

And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer.

 

Werner

 

P: Yes, Good Way to put it, W.

Maybe that will be easier

to grasp. But, maybe, then

he will ask, 'Who is there to

let go?' The very seeing, the clarity

let go, no who is needed, of course.

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

>

> Hi Pete,

>

> A: I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now. And

one

> cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched

observer, I

> guess.

>

> al.

>

> Hi Al,

>

> P: My friend, acceptance is not a complicate word,

> unless one likes complicating the simple, and

> you do. Acceptance means approval, an unconditional

> yes. Accepting the now is not about some ideal flow.

> It's about this shit here and now. It's about saying

> yes to it, and watching it, and living it wholeheartedly.

>

> No one consulted you about being born, no one consults

> you when things go wrong, no one will ask you if

> you want to die when your time comes. You have only

> to options: you accept, or not. If you accept the

> inevitable, it will hurt less, if you don't, it

> won't change, it will just hurt more. Your choice!

>

> Pete

>

 

Al

 

 

Well don't listen to these fake healers!!!!!!!

 

What this, pete just said is a bunch of crap. He is not addressing

the problem and besides there are consling people called friends who

actually do care and are there for there brothers and sisters.

 

God is not a misguided missle just blowing up recklessly without

precision and reason. There is order to the world.

Similarily, while he freely provides all He also heals all. That is

why He made children and family to love and live in harmony.

 

you are not alone, it's not just you. It's about God and you. You

cannot do anything on your own.

 

That's why i said read psamls, everybody can relate to these songs,

and can heal and grow from association with them.

It's not when your ill you just shut the door and stay locked up

inside your apartment, you must go get medicine and be healed.

If you just stay in your room you can die.

Accepting that you need help is the right medicine, God says those

with a contrite heart will know me.

 

This is a very interesting discussion and don't take anything

personally, have an open your heart and breath, and hear the soothing

words of a Loving God, who cares and is always there .

 

Your not alone.

 

whitehorserides

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

>

> Anders,

>

> You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance,

> there is only rejection.

>

> Letting go rejection is already acceptance.

>

> And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer.

>

> Werner

>

> P: Yes, Good Way to put it, W.

> Maybe that will be easier

> to grasp. But, maybe, then

> he will ask, 'Who is there to

> let go?' The very seeing, the clarity

> let go, no who is needed, of course.

>

>

AL

 

look here, two from the same school, can't even decide what the

answer is, there consulting " maybe this, maybe that " , all mental

thought gymnastics.

 

soory al,

looks pretty obvious. You would think these two, would be alined and

not rambling through words.

 

Their questioning whether or not, if they should use a needle or a

knife to fix the wound, i would high tail out of that office in a

hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!run

 

lol

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WHR,

 

Its really time now that you get removed from this list.

 

Halelujah, when you are gone.

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Pete,

> >

> > A: I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now.

And

> one

> > cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched

> observer, I

> > guess.

> >

> > al.

> >

> > Hi Al,

> >

> > P: My friend, acceptance is not a complicate word,

> > unless one likes complicating the simple, and

> > you do. Acceptance means approval, an unconditional

> > yes. Accepting the now is not about some ideal flow.

> > It's about this shit here and now. It's about saying

> > yes to it, and watching it, and living it wholeheartedly.

> >

> > No one consulted you about being born, no one consults

> > you when things go wrong, no one will ask you if

> > you want to die when your time comes. You have only

> > to options: you accept, or not. If you accept the

> > inevitable, it will hurt less, if you don't, it

> > won't change, it will just hurt more. Your choice!

> >

> > Pete

> >

>

> Al

>

>

> Well don't listen to these fake healers!!!!!!!

>

> What this, pete just said is a bunch of crap. He is not addressing

> the problem and besides there are consling people called friends

who

> actually do care and are there for there brothers and sisters.

>

> God is not a misguided missle just blowing up recklessly without

> precision and reason. There is order to the world.

> Similarily, while he freely provides all He also heals all. That is

> why He made children and family to love and live in harmony.

>

> you are not alone, it's not just you. It's about God and you. You

> cannot do anything on your own.

>

> That's why i said read psamls, everybody can relate to these songs,

> and can heal and grow from association with them.

> It's not when your ill you just shut the door and stay locked up

> inside your apartment, you must go get medicine and be healed.

> If you just stay in your room you can die.

> Accepting that you need help is the right medicine, God says those

> with a contrite heart will know me.

>

> This is a very interesting discussion and don't take anything

> personally, have an open your heart and breath, and hear the

soothing

> words of a Loving God, who cares and is always there .

>

> Your not alone.

>

> whitehorserides

>

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> WHR,

>

> Its really time now that you get removed from this list.

>

> Halelujah, when you are gone.

>

> Werner

 

 

be quiet.

 

you look better that way.

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Pete,

> > >

> > > A: I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now.

> And

> > one

> > > cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched

> > observer, I

> > > guess.

> > >

> > > al.

> > >

> > > Hi Al,

> > >

> > > P: My friend, acceptance is not a complicate word,

> > > unless one likes complicating the simple, and

> > > you do. Acceptance means approval, an unconditional

> > > yes. Accepting the now is not about some ideal flow.

> > > It's about this shit here and now. It's about saying

> > > yes to it, and watching it, and living it wholeheartedly.

> > >

> > > No one consulted you about being born, no one consults

> > > you when things go wrong, no one will ask you if

> > > you want to die when your time comes. You have only

> > > to options: you accept, or not. If you accept the

> > > inevitable, it will hurt less, if you don't, it

> > > won't change, it will just hurt more. Your choice!

> > >

> > > Pete

> > >

> >

> > Al

> >

> >

> > Well don't listen to these fake healers!!!!!!!

> >

> > What this, pete just said is a bunch of crap. He is not

addressing

> > the problem and besides there are consling people called friends

> who

> > actually do care and are there for there brothers and sisters.

> >

> > God is not a misguided missle just blowing up recklessly without

> > precision and reason. There is order to the world.

> > Similarily, while he freely provides all He also heals all. That

is

> > why He made children and family to love and live in harmony.

> >

> > you are not alone, it's not just you. It's about God and you. You

> > cannot do anything on your own.

> >

> > That's why i said read psamls, everybody can relate to these

songs,

> > and can heal and grow from association with them.

> > It's not when your ill you just shut the door and stay locked up

> > inside your apartment, you must go get medicine and be healed.

> > If you just stay in your room you can die.

> > Accepting that you need help is the right medicine, God says

those

> > with a contrite heart will know me.

> >

> > This is a very interesting discussion and don't take anything

> > personally, have an open your heart and breath, and hear the

> soothing

> > words of a Loving God, who cares and is always there .

> >

> > Your not alone.

> >

> > whitehorserides

> >

>

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Pete S

nisargadatta

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:23 AM

Emotional Pain

 

 

Hi Pete,

 

A: I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now. And one

cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched observer, I

guess.

 

al.

 

Hi Al,

 

P: My friend, acceptance is not a complicate word,

unless one likes complicating the simple, and

you do. Acceptance means approval, an unconditional

yes. Accepting the now is not about some ideal flow.

It's about this shit here and now. It's about saying

yes to it, and watching it, and living it wholeheartedly.

 

No one consulted you about being born, no one consults

you when things go wrong, no one will ask you if

you want to die when your time comes. You have only

to options: you accept, or not. If you accept the

inevitable, it will hurt less, if you don't, it

won't change, it will just hurt more. Your choice!

 

Pete

 

 

Ah, Pete we meet,

 

acceptance of the rejection is possible in the reflection and interjection of

the wayward soul who

knows no one will satiate relate castigate and band-aid assumptions born

composed and rewritten

in the course of time, interloping the whole-hearted mind-bending embedded and

rethreaded sewn together

as any and all broken pieces of the lionhearted who says YES to life, cheers

we meet, mySelf, my friend, the end is the

beginning of unconditional choice which is love flowing as the gift of One's

life, gratitude in the matter of spirit, so die in

the fire of now, won One, a painless explosion, the gospel of relatively born

and reborn as it was in the beginning so it shall

be in the end with noOne beginning...

 

Ana

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

>

> Anders,

>

> You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance,

> there is only rejection.

>

> Letting go rejection is already acceptance.

>

> And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

Hi Werner,

 

Yeah, probably " the observer is the observed " .

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

>

> Hi Pete,

>

> A: I guess by accepting you mean following the flow in the now. And one

> cannot become a detached observer, one must be a touched observer, I

> guess.

>

> al.

>

> Hi Al,

>

> P: My friend, acceptance is not a complicate word,

> unless one likes complicating the simple, and

> you do. Acceptance means approval, an unconditional

> yes. Accepting the now is not about some ideal flow.

> It's about this shit here and now. It's about saying

> yes to it, and watching it, and living it wholeheartedly.

>

> No one consulted you about being born, no one consults

> you when things go wrong, no one will ask you if

> you want to die when your time comes. You have only

> to options: you accept, or not. If you accept the

> inevitable, it will hurt less, if you don't, it

> won't change, it will just hurt more. Your choice!

>

> Pete

>

 

As a Swami said, " remove the no, and only yes remains "

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

<green1911@v...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

> >

> > Anders,

> >

> > You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as acceptance,

> > there is only rejection.

> >

> > Letting go rejection is already acceptance.

> >

> > And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no observer.

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > P: Yes, Good Way to put it, W.

> > Maybe that will be easier

> > to grasp. But, maybe, then

> > he will ask, 'Who is there to

> > let go?' The very seeing, the clarity

> > let go, no who is needed, of course.

> >

> >

> AL

>

> look here, two from the same school, can't even decide what the

> answer is, there consulting " maybe this, maybe that " , all mental

> thought gymnastics.

>

> soory al,

> looks pretty obvious. You would think these two, would be alined and

> not rambling through words.

>

> Their questioning whether or not, if they should use a needle or a

> knife to fix the wound, i would high tail out of that office in a

> hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!run

>

> lol

>

 

 

When we stay in the now, there is no need to run.

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Anders,

> > >

> > > You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as

acceptance,

> > > there is only rejection.

> > >

> > > Letting go rejection is already acceptance.

> > >

> > > And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no

observer.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > > P: Yes, Good Way to put it, W.

> > > Maybe that will be easier

> > > to grasp. But, maybe, then

> > > he will ask, 'Who is there to

> > > let go?' The very seeing, the clarity

> > > let go, no who is needed, of course.

> > >

> > >

> > AL

> >

> > look here, two from the same school, can't even decide what the

> > answer is, there consulting " maybe this, maybe that " , all mental

> > thought gymnastics.

> >

> > soory al,

> > looks pretty obvious. You would think these two, would be alined

and

> > not rambling through words.

> >

> > Their questioning whether or not, if they should use a needle or

a

> > knife to fix the wound, i would high tail out of that office in a

> > hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!run

> >

> > lol

> >

>

>

> When we stay in the now, there is no need to run.

>

> al.

>

if you stay in the way of the tornado, you get tornado

 

if you feel pain, and stay in the now, you contain the pain.

 

if you stand under a rain cloud, you get wet.

 

if you sit in front of the sun, you get burnt

 

if you say you need gas , you go get gas

 

if you say you have empty stomach, you eat food

 

if you say you have a mess, you clean it up,

 

if you don't, it will live with stay there.

 

if the spirit is depressed, that means bad impressions are there.

 

you need to make change the impressions

 

if you stay in the now, then now change means no new impression

 

i said make new impressions, read Psalms

 

i did say run, but you must run from dualities, or too many opinions.

 

too many cooks spoil the broth.

 

There is only 'one consciousness' that you want

 

listen to Niz, he says connect to the Absolute, you cannot stop

thought b/c you cannot stop consciousness. but hook up with that

consciousness _________________now_________that now.

 

" when we stay in 'that now' there is no need to run "

 

al_________i'm still waiting for Niz's expression of Absolute, or

what that consciouness is

 

there might be discrepancies yet, so i'm waiting for Niz devotees to

put forth information.

 

we're getting closer!! maybe push waaba off the cliff and see if his

lotus feet can hook up on a tree limb on the way down and save him.

 

then while hanging for his life if speaks some saving lotus Niz words

we might have the answers______stay tuned___ commercial break time.

 

whitehorserides always the white horse dressed with white mind. (:

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides "

> <green1911@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Anders,

> > >

> > > You cannot actively accept - there is no such thing as

acceptance,

> > > there is only rejection.

> > >

> > > Letting go rejection is already acceptance.

> > >

> > > And forget the observer, it doesn't exist. There is no

observer.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > > P: Yes, Good Way to put it, W.

> > > Maybe that will be easier

> > > to grasp. But, maybe, then

> > > he will ask, 'Who is there to

> > > let go?' The very seeing, the clarity

> > > let go, no who is needed, of course.

> > >

> > >

> > AL

> >

> > look here, two from the same school, can't even decide what the

> > answer is, there consulting " maybe this, maybe that " , all mental

> > thought gymnastics.

> >

> > soory al,

> > looks pretty obvious. You would think these two, would be alined

and

> > not rambling through words.

> >

> > Their questioning whether or not, if they should use a needle or

a

> > knife to fix the wound, i would high tail out of that office in a

> > hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!run

> >

> > lol

> >

>

>

> When we stay in the now, there is no need to run.

>

> al.

 

nice words Al.

 

thanks

>

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