Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 If one believes in an omnipotent, benevolent Creator, obviously one has a problem understanding how an all-wise God could have created this world of pain, suffering and evil. The truth is, that there is no Creator and no thing has ever been created. Suffering and evil happens to no one in particular. Clinging to life, happiness and impermanent forms creates the notions of suffering and evil. We fail to realize the whole universe is a dream, an appearance in conscious- ness. We are immerse in the dream and consider it real. We take ourselves for real, too. Therefore, the anguish of gain, and of lost. Suppose within this dream you would realize you are just a dream character. And suppose the dream would continue, but then the dream loses its nightmarish quality. When 'what is' tries to see itself through a conscious organism, it sees itself as an alien universe and misidentifies itself as an individual consciousness. That is the dream, that is maya. Liberation is when consciousness realizes that the trinity of Absolute, universe, and consciousness are one and the same. Then a shift occurs in the mind. What we consider an alien universe is then viewed as an infinite image of ourselves. What we consider our self becomes an absolute unknown. We need to understand the exact meaning of the words we are using. Are not the words 'time' and 'impermanence' the same? Can there be time or impermanence without change? Are not these three words synonymous? On the other hand, eternity means something unchanging, of infinite duration. If we accept that definition, we must conclude that there is no such thing as eternity. On the other hand, cosmologists tell us that time began with the Big Bang and that before only an unchanging void was there. A cursory review of that statement reveals its lack of logic. That void wasn't unchanging because we are here. No matter how long it took, time was ticking, a change occurred, impermanence was there. So impermanence is all prevailing, infinite in its scope and validity. We are not only impermanent, but are impermanence itself. The Japanese Zen master Dogen in his treatise: " ON Being Time " equates Being with time. Being = change = time = impermanence. If impermanence is our true nature, then the craving for permanence is delusion, a delusion that beclouds our true nature. Understanding, accepting, embracing the inevitability, the totality of change is liberation. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: pete did you save this one fromthe archives? well, whatever, so you are an atheist, impersonalist, mayavadi, can i say nihilist? loner, god? dreamer, absolute unknown let's see!!!!!!!!!! > If one believes in an omnipotent, > benevolent Creator, obviously one > has a problem understanding how an > all-wise God could have created > this world of pain, suffering and > evil. lolololol_____________ya ok, where have you been pete? How old are you? God created misery or did man misuse what God created? huh, did we not see selfishness somewhere? The way you speak, is in denial of what is going on for some so called self realization or liberation, that is ALL INCLUSIVE. Did you understand that pete? If one then all, your speach is conclusive whether good or evil___all go to one as in part of the unknown absolute. so murderer " tootsie " he's gone to liberation by you conclusion, right? >The truth is, that there is > no Creator and no thing has ever > been created. > Suffering and evil happens to no one > in particular. Clinging to life, > happiness and impermanent forms > creates the notions of suffering and > evil. You just gave carte blanche to fuck everything, and anybody, screw you if it feels good , do it, right pete? > > We fail to realize the whole universe > is a dream, an appearance in conscious- > ness. We are immerse in the dream and > consider it real. We take ourselves > for real, too. Therefore, the anguish > of gain, and of lost. these gains are monetary or what? just in your dream? so why one lives in castle in the hamptons and the other a detroit slum thug.______________all a dream?lol > Suppose within this dream you would > realize you are just a dream character. > And suppose the dream would continue, > but then the dream loses its nightmarish > quality. > > When 'what is' tries to see itself > through a conscious organism, it sees > itself as an alien universe and > misidentifies itself as an individual > consciousness. oh is that it pete, i guess then what's yours is mine and what's mine is yours? _____So where do you live pete? " " " " misidentifies individuality " " " " so we are one, right? lol > > That is the dream, that is maya.______________maya was cute? > > Liberation is when consciousness > realizes that the trinity of Absolute, > universe, and consciousness are one > and the same. > Then a shift occurs in the mind. What > we consider an alien universe is then > viewed as an infinite image of ourselves. > What we consider our self becomes an > absolute unknown. wow!!!!!!the absolute NOBOBY_____pe__t____e. shit, i wrote his thing > We need to understand the exact meaning > of the words we are using. Are not the > words 'time' and 'impermanence' the same? > Can there be time or impermanence without > change? Are not these three words > synonymous? On the other hand, eternity > means something unchanging, of infinite > duration. If we accept that definition, > we must conclude that there is no such > thing as eternity. now there's no eternal_______________void_________________ only,lol > > On the other hand, cosmologists tell us that > time began with the Big Bang and that before > only an unchanging void was there. A cursory > review of that statement reveals its lack of > logic. That void wasn't unchanging because we > are here. No matter how long it took, time was > ticking, a change occurred, impermanence was > there. > So impermanence is all prevailing, infinite > in its scope and validity. We are not only > impermanent, but are impermanence itself. YOU PETE or was that ___________ time________ya sure. ok > The Japanese Zen master Dogen in his treatise: > " ON Being Time " equates Being with time. Being = > change = time = impermanence. > If impermanence is our true nature, then the > craving for permanence is delusion, a delusion > that beclouds our true nature. NOTE ___IF impermanence _____________craving ------what's craving? what happened to the time thing or the absolute unknown? or is everybody craving simultaneously, no god just time all the same_______________ _got a love a pile of BULLSHIT. LOLOL >Understanding, > accepting, embracing the inevitability, the > totality of change is liberation. accept it all ______________come here pete let me shoot you NOW. are you going to accept? oh, you accept if it happens by accident? but not deliberately? have you absolutely lost your marbles man?______why ask who in there right mind can believe this pile of crap? Give it break man best be quiet. go moderate your other not world. or come to my place i 'll give you a whitehorserides. > > Pete > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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