Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 You feel like shit, don't you? See through you, I can. Because I can see through myself. You have to come into balance with your own material possessions, your own body, your own emotions, and yes, your own thoughts. Out of that balance your feverish mind may calm down. It may. As I have said so many times, you cannot lie to yourself. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Beware not to fall on your nose of all that attention to keep balance. Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > You feel like shit, don't you? See through you, I can. Because I can > see through myself. You have to come into balance with your own > material possessions, your own body, your own emotions, and yes, your > own thoughts. Out of that balance your feverish mind may calm down. It > may. As I have said so many times, you cannot lie to yourself. > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > You feel like shit, don't you? See through you, I can. Because I can > see through myself. You have to come into balance with your own > material possessions, your own body, your own emotions, and yes, your > own thoughts. Out of that balance your feverish mind may calm down. It > may. As I have said so many times, you cannot lie to yourself. > > al. > you can lie to yourself, people live the lie, al. that's what this is all about bud, wake up! what country are you in? simple question. waaba can't answer , why? can you? i can answer every question, you ask me why? b/c i don't lie and there's nothing too personal, because i have nothing. my life is an open book that's_________ clear channel_____comprend YOU _________GUYS______________THINK_____ON_____THAT_________ and tell me was Niz life open or closed. oh he lived in the now and there's nothing in the past that's important, then you can live a life of killing sin or rape and it's all nothing _____or irrelevent, get the picture all akarma? NOT. answer questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Beware not to fall on your nose of all that attention to keep balance. > > Werner > Exactly. Trying to do something will create conflict. Trying not to do something creates conflict. Only doing is conflictless. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > You feel like shit, don't you? See through you, I can. Because I can > > see through myself. You have to come into balance with your own > > material possessions, your own body, your own emotions, and yes, your > > own thoughts. Out of that balance your feverish mind may calm down. It > > may. As I have said so many times, you cannot lie to yourself. > > > > al. > > > you can lie to yourself, people live the lie, al. > > that's what this is all about bud, wake up! what country are you in? > > simple question. waaba can't answer , why? can you? > > i can answer every question, you ask me why? > > b/c i don't lie and there's nothing too personal, because i have > nothing. > > my life is an open book that's_________ clear channel_____comprend > > YOU _________GUYS______________THINK_____ON_____THAT_________ > > > and tell me was Niz life open or closed. > > oh he lived in the now and there's nothing in the past that's > important, then you can live a life of killing sin or rape and it's all > nothing _____or irrelevent, get the picture all akarma? NOT. > > answer questions > Doing is direct and in this moment. Thinking ABOUT doing creates conflict, because that creates a separation between what is happening and what the intellect wants to happen in the future, which creates waiting at the very least, and stress more often than not. Both waiting and stress are manifestations of conflict. The horrible fact is that the intellect must exist in negative emotions in all matters related to time, or else it cannot function. In realtion to time, the intellect is: " I want something other than what is happening now " , and creates endless inner conflict. Even what we normally call happiness, such as winning $100000000 is nothing but conflict, because you can only use that money in the " future " , and therefore the now is still the enemy. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > You feel like shit, don't you? See through you, I can. Because I can > > > see through myself. You have to come into balance with your own > > > material possessions, your own body, your own emotions, and yes, your > > > own thoughts. Out of that balance your feverish mind may calm down. It > > > may. As I have said so many times, you cannot lie to yourself. > > > > > > al. > > > > > you can lie to yourself, people live the lie, al. > > > > that's what this is all about bud, wake up! what country are you in? > > > > simple question. waaba can't answer , why? can you? > > > > i can answer every question, you ask me why? > > > > b/c i don't lie and there's nothing too personal, because i have > > nothing. > > > > my life is an open book that's_________ clear channel_____comprend > > > > YOU _________GUYS______________THINK_____ON_____THAT_________ > > > > > > and tell me was Niz life open or closed. > > > > oh he lived in the now and there's nothing in the past that's > > important, then you can live a life of killing sin or rape and it's all > > nothing _____or irrelevent, get the picture all akarma? NOT. > > > > answer questions > > > > > Doing is direct and in this moment. Thinking ABOUT doing creates > conflict, because that creates a separation between what is happening > and what the intellect wants to happen in the future, which creates > waiting at the very least, and stress more often than not. Both > waiting and stress are manifestations of conflict. > > The horrible fact is that the intellect must exist in negative > emotions in all matters related to time, or else it cannot function. > In realtion to time, the intellect is: " I want something other than > what is happening now " , and creates endless inner conflict. Even what > we normally call happiness, such as winning $100000000 is nothing but > conflict, because you can only use that money in the " future " , and > therefore the now is still the enemy. > > al. > mental gymnastics just scrambling for answers, prove what you say. where's your life, you can't life in the now, just cooking a meal requires planning so by your brilliant____BULLSHIT____you just admitted to living in duality, ____am i goig to put cheese in or not , oh i don;t have any , do ui go to the store/ where did you get this BULLCRAP____ NIZ WOULD SAY STOP ACTING LIKE A FOOL AND GO COOK__ STOP BEING CRAZY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > You feel like shit, don't you? See through you, I can. Because > I can > > > > see through myself. You have to come into balance with your own > > > > material possessions, your own body, your own emotions, and > yes, your > > > > own thoughts. Out of that balance your feverish mind may calm > down. It > > > > may. As I have said so many times, you cannot lie to yourself. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > you can lie to yourself, people live the lie, al. > > > > > > that's what this is all about bud, wake up! what country are you > in? > > > > > > simple question. waaba can't answer , why? can you? > > > > > > i can answer every question, you ask me why? > > > > > > b/c i don't lie and there's nothing too personal, because i have > > > nothing. > > > > > > my life is an open book that's_________ clear channel_____comprend > > > > > > YOU _________GUYS______________THINK_____ON_____THAT_________ > > > > > > > > > and tell me was Niz life open or closed. > > > > > > oh he lived in the now and there's nothing in the past that's > > > important, then you can live a life of killing sin or rape and > it's all > > > nothing _____or irrelevent, get the picture all akarma? NOT. > > > > > > answer questions > > > > > > > > > Doing is direct and in this moment. Thinking ABOUT doing creates > > conflict, because that creates a separation between what is > happening > > and what the intellect wants to happen in the future, which creates > > waiting at the very least, and stress more often than not. Both > > waiting and stress are manifestations of conflict. > > > > The horrible fact is that the intellect must exist in negative > > emotions in all matters related to time, or else it cannot function. > > In realtion to time, the intellect is: " I want something other than > > what is happening now " , and creates endless inner conflict. Even > what > > we normally call happiness, such as winning $100000000 is nothing > but > > conflict, because you can only use that money in the " future " , and > > therefore the now is still the enemy. > > > > al. > > > mental gymnastics just scrambling for answers, prove what you say. > > where's your life, you can't life in the now, just cooking a meal > requires planning so by your brilliant____BULLSHIT____you just > admitted to living in duality, ____am i goig to put cheese in or > not , oh i don;t have any , do ui go to the store/ > > > where did you get this BULLCRAP____ > > > NIZ WOULD SAY STOP ACTING LIKE A FOOL AND GO COOK__ STOP BEING CRAZY > No,no. Cooking a meal must happen as a CONFLICTLESS happening in totality. YOU don't plan. Kosmos as a WHOLE moves through you in every mental and physical action. Planning may happen, but you as a separate self don't do this planning. If you as a separate self try to force your own way through life, you have cut yourself off from the purpose of life, which is WHOLE. So the separate self is an illusion of doership. LIFE is the doer, and you are also the doer, because you are THAT life. GOD is cooking the meal. See? Stop running around like a confused fragment! al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > No,no. Cooking a meal must happen as a CONFLICTLESS happening in > totality. YOU don't plan. Kosmos as a WHOLE moves through you in every > mental and physical action. Planning may happen, but you as a separate > self don't do this planning. If you as a separate self try to force > your own way through life, you have cut yourself off from the purpose > of life, which is WHOLE. So the separate self is an illusion of > doership. LIFE is the doer, and you are also the doer, because you are > THAT life. GOD is cooking the meal. See? Stop running around like a > confused fragment! > > al. > ok so is god having the spontaneous sex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No,no. Cooking a meal must happen as a CONFLICTLESS happening in > > totality. YOU don't plan. Kosmos as a WHOLE moves through you in > every > > mental and physical action. Planning may happen, but you as a > separate > > self don't do this planning. If you as a separate self try to force > > your own way through life, you have cut yourself off from the > purpose > > of life, which is WHOLE. So the separate self is an illusion of > > doership. LIFE is the doer, and you are also the doer, because you > are > > THAT life. GOD is cooking the meal. See? Stop running around like a > > confused fragment! > > > > al. > > > ok so is god having the spontaneous sex? > No, no. There is not God and you, there is ONLY God. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No,no. Cooking a meal must happen as a CONFLICTLESS happening in > > > totality. YOU don't plan. Kosmos as a WHOLE moves through you in > > every > > > mental and physical action. Planning may happen, but you as a > > separate > > > self don't do this planning. If you as a separate self try to force > > > your own way through life, you have cut yourself off from the > > purpose > > > of life, which is WHOLE. So the separate self is an illusion of > > > doership. LIFE is the doer, and you are also the doer, because you > > are > > > THAT life. GOD is cooking the meal. See? Stop running around like a > > > confused fragment! > > > > > > al. > > > > > ok so is god having the spontaneous sex? > > > > > No, no. There is not God and you, there is ONLY God. > > al. > So then you are saying Niz was god. and he had sex with who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No,no. Cooking a meal must happen as a CONFLICTLESS happening in > > > > totality. YOU don't plan. Kosmos as a WHOLE moves through you > in > > > every > > > > mental and physical action. Planning may happen, but you as a > > > separate > > > > self don't do this planning. If you as a separate self try to > force > > > > your own way through life, you have cut yourself off from the > > > purpose > > > > of life, which is WHOLE. So the separate self is an illusion of > > > > doership. LIFE is the doer, and you are also the doer, because > you > > > are > > > > THAT life. GOD is cooking the meal. See? Stop running around > like a > > > > confused fragment! > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > ok so is god having the spontaneous sex? > > > > > > > > > No, no. There is not God and you, there is ONLY God. > > > > al. > > > So then you are saying Niz was god. and he had sex with who? > A wave in the ocean says: " look at me, I am separate, and look over there, that's Nisargadatta who is no longer a wave because he is dead " al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No,no. Cooking a meal must happen as a CONFLICTLESS happening in > > > > > totality. YOU don't plan. Kosmos as a WHOLE moves through you > > in > > > > every > > > > > mental and physical action. Planning may happen, but you as a > > > > separate > > > > > self don't do this planning. If you as a separate self try to > > force > > > > > your own way through life, you have cut yourself off from the > > > > purpose > > > > > of life, which is WHOLE. So the separate self is an illusion of > > > > > doership. LIFE is the doer, and you are also the doer, because > > you > > > > are > > > > > THAT life. GOD is cooking the meal. See? Stop running around > > like a > > > > > confused fragment! > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > ok so is god having the spontaneous sex? > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no. There is not God and you, there is ONLY God. > > > > > > al. > > > > > So then you are saying Niz was god. and he had sex with who? > > > > A wave in the ocean says: " look at me, I am separate, and look over > there, that's Nisargadatta who is no longer a wave because he is dead " > > al. > OBVIOUSLY YOU AL AND MARC ARE UNQUALIFIED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS you need to call on your older members to speak. you are talking like fools________________sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No,no. Cooking a meal must happen as a CONFLICTLESS > happening in > > > > > > totality. YOU don't plan. Kosmos as a WHOLE moves through > you > > > in > > > > > every > > > > > > mental and physical action. Planning may happen, but you as > a > > > > > separate > > > > > > self don't do this planning. If you as a separate self try > to > > > force > > > > > > your own way through life, you have cut yourself off from > the > > > > > purpose > > > > > > of life, which is WHOLE. So the separate self is an > illusion of > > > > > > doership. LIFE is the doer, and you are also the doer, > because > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > THAT life. GOD is cooking the meal. See? Stop running > around > > > like a > > > > > > confused fragment! > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > ok so is god having the spontaneous sex? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no. There is not God and you, there is ONLY God. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > So then you are saying Niz was god. and he had sex with who? > > > > > > > A wave in the ocean says: " look at me, I am separate, and look over > > there, that's Nisargadatta who is no longer a wave because he is > dead " > > > > al. > > > OBVIOUSLY YOU AL AND MARC ARE UNQUALIFIED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS > > you need to call on your older members to speak. > > you are talking like fools________________sorry. > Any question answered will only generate even more questions to be answered. There is no problem with that. But we have to realize that intellectual knowledge is only a part of existence. I think one has to melt the knot in one's heart. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > > > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No,no. Cooking a meal must happen as a CONFLICTLESS > > happening in > > > > > > > totality. YOU don't plan. Kosmos as a WHOLE moves through > > you > > > > in > > > > > > every > > > > > > > mental and physical action. Planning may happen, but you as > > a > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > self don't do this planning. If you as a separate self try > > to > > > > force > > > > > > > your own way through life, you have cut yourself off from > > the > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > of life, which is WHOLE. So the separate self is an > > illusion of > > > > > > > doership. LIFE is the doer, and you are also the doer, > > because > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > THAT life. GOD is cooking the meal. See? Stop running > > around > > > > like a > > > > > > > confused fragment! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok so is god having the spontaneous sex? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no. There is not God and you, there is ONLY God. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > So then you are saying Niz was god. and he had sex with who? > > > > > > > > > > A wave in the ocean says: " look at me, I am separate, and look over > > > there, that's Nisargadatta who is no longer a wave because he is > > dead " > > > > > > al. > > > > > OBVIOUSLY YOU AL AND MARC ARE UNQUALIFIED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS > > > > you need to call on your older members to speak. > > > > you are talking like fools________________sorry. > > > > > Any question answered will only generate even more questions to be > answered. There is no problem with that. But we have to realize that > intellectual knowledge is only a part of existence. > > I think one has to melt the knot in one's heart. > > al. > like i said , foolish answer, best no answer. why did waaba and others fade? come back waaba. these questions are not an exercise in intellectualism. the bullcrap trying to use words to dissect the thought's and the process and the emotions and all that is the jnani type stuff. thats also good but these questions are trying to understand the basic premise for the later questions. remember the other day about talking about questions 3 and 4 but we skipped over 1 and 2. now were at i and 2. let's understand the mind set of a liberated soul you say Niz was liberated, calling him maharaja and all that comes with some territory to explain what is it. ever been to india, al, not likely? i am seasoned veteran at this. and the older boys recognize this, that's why they want me out ,b/c i'm stepping on their toes. EGO al i expose ego's. that's why i get booted al. they are probably trying right now, to call hur to tell him to boot me NOW. The ego gets in the way. Al, i used to be in the Hare Krishna'. i exposed their philosphical errors at the highest level of the governing body, not the sex al, but their gita and their false teachings. They bascially kicked me out of canada and even threatened my life. They know who i am, a straight shooting nice guy, that doesn't buy bullcrap. you can't pull the wool over HoLY al, God knows all and will expose it. that's what the Holy Prophets are expert at. being who i am didn't start 25 years ago al, i'm 53 and i've been right there, a long time, calling liars, liars to there face. That's life without bagagge al, here in the now, doesn't get conned by the loves of this world. but can be conned by regular business criminals _________________read psalms ________________get a view of love, and a pure heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Anders, There is no longer to melt a knot in your heart as soon as you got a girl friend. Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Any question answered will only generate even more questions to be > answered. There is no problem with that. But we have to realize that > intellectual knowledge is only a part of existence. > > I think one has to melt the knot in one's heart. > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " > > > > > > <green1911@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No,no. Cooking a meal must happen as a CONFLICTLESS > > > happening in > > > > > > > > totality. YOU don't plan. Kosmos as a WHOLE moves > through > > > you > > > > > in > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > mental and physical action. Planning may happen, but > you as > > > a > > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > self don't do this planning. If you as a separate self > try > > > to > > > > > force > > > > > > > > your own way through life, you have cut yourself off > from > > > the > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > of life, which is WHOLE. So the separate self is an > > > illusion of > > > > > > > > doership. LIFE is the doer, and you are also the doer, > > > because > > > > > you > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > THAT life. GOD is cooking the meal. See? Stop running > > > around > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > confused fragment! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok so is god having the spontaneous sex? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no. There is not God and you, there is ONLY God. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > So then you are saying Niz was god. and he had sex with who? > > > > > > > > > > > > > A wave in the ocean says: " look at me, I am separate, and look > over > > > > there, that's Nisargadatta who is no longer a wave because he > is > > > dead " > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > OBVIOUSLY YOU AL AND MARC ARE UNQUALIFIED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS > > > > > > you need to call on your older members to speak. > > > > > > you are talking like fools________________sorry. > > > > > > > > > Any question answered will only generate even more questions to be > > answered. There is no problem with that. But we have to realize that > > intellectual knowledge is only a part of existence. > > > > I think one has to melt the knot in one's heart. > > > > al. > > > like i said , foolish answer, best no answer. > > why did waaba and others fade? > > come back waaba. > > > these questions are not an exercise in intellectualism. the bullcrap > trying to use words to dissect the thought's and the process and the > emotions and all that is the jnani type stuff. thats also good but > these questions are trying to understand the basic premise for the > later questions. > > remember the other day about talking about questions 3 and 4 but we > skipped over 1 and 2. > > now were at i and 2. > > let's understand the mind set of a liberated soul you say Niz was > liberated, calling him maharaja and all that comes with some > territory to explain what is it. ever been to india, al, not likely? > > > > i am seasoned veteran at this. and the older boys recognize this, > that's why they want me out ,b/c i'm stepping on their toes. EGO al i > expose ego's. > > that's why i get booted al. > > they are probably trying right now, to call hur to tell him to boot > me NOW. > > The ego gets in the way. > > Al, i used to be in the Hare Krishna'. i exposed their philosphical > errors at the highest level of the governing body, not the sex al, > but their gita and their false teachings. They bascially kicked me > out of canada and even threatened my life. They know who i am, a > straight shooting nice guy, that doesn't buy bullcrap. > > you can't pull the wool over HoLY al, God knows all and will expose > it. that's what the Holy Prophets are expert at. > > being who i am didn't start 25 years ago al, i'm 53 and i've been > right there, a long time, calling liars, liars to there face. > > That's life without bagagge al, here in the now, doesn't get conned > by the loves of this world. but can be conned by regular business > criminals _________________read psalms ________________get a view of > love, and a pure heart. > It seems that you still need some " stuff " to cling to. The stuff is within the thinking mind, and the stuffless sense of being is probably centered in the heart (I am not sure yet, but I have a feeling that the entire body and mind must become relaxed on the deepest level). al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Anders, > > There is no longer to melt a knot in your heart as soon as you got a > girl friend. > > Werner The heart is not only in the center of the body, but also all the blood vessels throughout the entire body, and is also a major part of the energy field in the entire body and mind. Personal relationships will not solve inner conflict. That's only a form of mental escape. There has to be a deep relaxation within one's body and mind. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Anders, > > > > There is no longer to melt a knot in your heart as soon as you got a > > girl friend. > > > > Werner > > > The heart is not only in the center of the body, but also all the > blood vessels throughout the entire body, and is also a major part of > the energy field in the entire body and mind. Personal relationships > will not solve inner conflict. That's only a form of mental escape. > There has to be a deep relaxation within one's body and mind. > > al. yes....true....you will meet yourself.....however you " are " ......wherever you go.....and with " whoever " you will be........in whatever relationship except....you stop this your false identification with Al. you are deepest happiness, joy, peace, love.....in reality try to be yourSelf Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Anders, > > > > There is no longer to melt a knot in your heart as soon as you got a > > girl friend. > > > > Werner > > > The heart is not only in the center of the body, but also all the > blood vessels throughout the entire body, and is also a major part of > the energy field in the entire body and mind. Personal relationships > will not solve inner conflict. That's only a form of mental escape. > There has to be a deep relaxation within one's body and mind. > > al. > The heart here al,if you apply it to spirit then you are correct. When you cleanse your heart from sin desire, it's like taking a bath. i repeat , yet non of you listen, you all block me out, why? The spirit cannot be emptied , like Niz said , conscounness is, it's a question of purifying by becoming one with the Absolute, hindi for God, i presume. you cannot wipe out the thoughts or mind nor the soul which is the seat of emotions. i repeat thid 10 times but you all runalong and ramble a bunch of crap. Unless you hear guru you cannot advance. Can you understand. That's why i want to the the moral framesork for which the NIz was coming from and it will tell me about were and why you guys speak the way you do. hur mentioned the word moral____________so what by who's standards. Niz standards if so what are they. therefore i ask again was Niz into sex, beedees and party drinking with body massage? there are many frameworks for moral the moral majority ot the christins suck back viagra pills for their penis erectiles and good s sex for the wife. tha's also moral bush says lust is ok but rape is not what 's rape if you accept to do it ? a good fuck? and what's that who's standards do the girls sing " o god , o god o god? so what? you cannot become one with God unless you know what God expects of you. too difficult???????????? so what;s the standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Anders, It seems you never read what is written to you. Pete already told you that the ending of rejecting of what is, is also the ending of suffering and conflict. If you want to understand suffering and conflict you have to put your attention on rejection of whar is. If you really are interested to end conflict you would follow that advice. But I don't think you are interested in ending conflict but you are rather interested to have contact with people here in order not to be alone. And so every day you invent new " problems " to discuss them, and you are satisfied with the attention you created. Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Anders, > > > > There is no longer to melt a knot in your heart as soon as you got a > > girl friend. > > > > Werner > > > The heart is not only in the center of the body, but also all the > blood vessels throughout the entire body, and is also a major part of > the energy field in the entire body and mind. Personal relationships > will not solve inner conflict. That's only a form of mental escape. > There has to be a deep relaxation within one's body and mind. > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Anders, > > It seems you never read what is written to you. > > Pete already told you that the ending of rejecting of what is, is > also the ending of suffering and conflict. > > If you want to understand suffering and conflict you have to put your > attention on rejection of whar is. > > If you really are interested to end conflict you would follow that > advice. But I don't think you are interested in ending conflict but > you are rather interested to have contact with people here in order > not to be alone. And so every day you invent new " problems " to > discuss them, and you are satisfied with the attention you created. > > Werner what is ironic about this is here, is the only conflict is when you percieve it to be. i'm not having any conflict, simply inquiring, that's what guru mind is like, my werner. if i raise questions and the person doesn't want to respond WHO OWNS THE CONFLICT. i 'm waiting your answer oh werner?????????? are you going to think big, or just think that was the NIz answer. Somehow i learned that somehwere, were you haven't been yet. hear carefully, werener before you react, if you don't respond i take it that you agreed. speak gently now > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Anders, > > > > > > There is no longer to melt a knot in your heart as soon as you > got a > > > girl friend. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > The heart is not only in the center of the body, but also all the > > blood vessels throughout the entire body, and is also a major part > of > > the energy field in the entire body and mind. Personal relationships > > will not solve inner conflict. That's only a form of mental escape. > > There has to be a deep relaxation within one's body and mind. > > > > al. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Anders, > > > > There is no longer to melt a knot in your heart as soon as you got a > > girl friend. > > > > Werner > > > The heart is not only in the center of the body, but also all the > blood vessels throughout the entire body, and is also a major part of > the energy field in the entire body and mind. Personal relationships > will not solve inner conflict. That's only a form of mental escape. > There has to be a deep relaxation within one's body and mind. > > al. or get in touch with a real Guru.... with " Shaktipat " .....the real energy.....flowing through whole of you......and transforming you slowly to your Self..... remember.....a blind can't lead a blind..... as far i know....there is no real Guru in here.......even if some try hard to show their dream to be a realized person.... if you want the truth......find a Guru Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " whitehorserides " <green1911@v...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Anders, > > > > > > There is no longer to melt a knot in your heart as soon as you > got a > > > girl friend. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > The heart is not only in the center of the body, but also all the > > blood vessels throughout the entire body, and is also a major part > of > > the energy field in the entire body and mind. Personal relationships > > will not solve inner conflict. That's only a form of mental escape. > > There has to be a deep relaxation within one's body and mind. > > > > al. > > > The heart here al,if you apply it to spirit then you are correct. > When you cleanse your heart from sin desire, it's like taking a bath. > > i repeat , yet non of you listen, you all block me out, why? > > The spirit cannot be emptied , like Niz said , conscounness is, it's > a question of purifying by becoming one with the Absolute, hindi for > God, i presume. > > you cannot wipe out the thoughts or mind nor the soul which is the > seat of emotions. > > i repeat thid 10 times but you all runalong and ramble a bunch of > crap. Unless you hear guru you cannot advance. > > Can you understand. That's why i want to the the moral framesork for > which the NIz was coming from and it will tell me about were and why > you guys speak the way you do. > > hur mentioned the word moral____________so what by who's standards. > Niz standards if so what are they. > > therefore i ask again was Niz into sex, beedees and party drinking > with body massage? > > there are many frameworks for moral > > the moral majority ot the christins suck back viagra pills for their > penis erectiles and good s sex for the wife. > > tha's also moral bush says lust is ok but rape is not > > what 's rape if you accept to do it ? a good fuck? and what's that > who's standards do the girls sing " o god , o god o god? so what? > > > you cannot become one with God unless you know what God expects of > you. > > too difficult???????????? > > so what;s the standard > True morality can only come from a conflictless state of being I think. When someone tries to be moral, then that is effort and conflict. When you try to be moral according to a fixed mental map, then there is conflict with the living moment which is not fixed but flowing. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Anders, > > It seems you never read what is written to you. > > Pete already told you that the ending of rejecting of what is, is > also the ending of suffering and conflict. > > If you want to understand suffering and conflict you have to put your > attention on rejection of whar is. > > If you really are interested to end conflict you would follow that > advice. But I don't think you are interested in ending conflict but > you are rather interested to have contact with people here in order > not to be alone. And so every day you invent new " problems " to > discuss them, and you are satisfied with the attention you created. > > Werner > An advice is a fixed mental map. Avoid that crap like poison (including this advice). al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Anders, > > > > > > There is no longer to melt a knot in your heart as soon as you > got a > > > girl friend. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > The heart is not only in the center of the body, but also all the > > blood vessels throughout the entire body, and is also a major part > of > > the energy field in the entire body and mind. Personal relationships > > will not solve inner conflict. That's only a form of mental escape. > > There has to be a deep relaxation within one's body and mind. > > > > al. > > or get in touch with a real Guru.... > > with " Shaktipat " .....the real energy.....flowing through whole of > you......and transforming you slowly to your Self..... > > remember.....a blind can't lead a blind..... > > as far i know....there is no real Guru in here.......even if some try > hard to show their dream to be a realized person.... > > if you want the truth......find a Guru > > Marc > The intellect always wants to do things. It comes a time when the intellect can be seen from above so to speak, and then all its doing is recognized to be conflict. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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