Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 No Larry, That is all romantic nonsense. Consciousness is its content, without content no consciousnes. And you are your content and I am my content and we don't look through the same eyes and life ist not consciousness - thats all bs Wake up from your science fiction romance, Larry Werner Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/18/2005 3:08:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > wwoehr@p... writes: > > > There is no consciousness which is the same. Every consciousness is > > unique and absolute personal. No single human shares the > > consciousmess of or with another. > > > > You are your consciousness and I am mine, and both are total > > different. > > Dear Werner, > > Personality is different, consciousness is the same. One consciousness is > looking out of all eyes, strange as it may seem. You see it your way. I see it > my way. Yet both ways connect to the same Life. > > Larry > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 > Dear Werner, > > Personality is different, consciousness is the same. One consciousness is > looking out of all eyes, strange as it may seem. You see it your way. I see it > my way. Yet both ways connect to the same Life. > > Larry This is laughable! It would mean that Life, as capitalized by Larry for the purpose of imbuing it with some special meaning, is responsible for seeing Itself in at least two differing and contradictive ways: Larry's and Werner's. There is only one correct way of seeing things: mine. Silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 > No Larry, > > That is all romantic nonsense. > > Consciousness is its content, without content no consciousnes. And > you are your content and I am my content and we don't look through > the same eyes and life ist not consciousness - thats all bs > > Wake up from your science fiction romance, Larry > > Werner I am rarely aware of my own content. Lol. If it weren't for moments of self and other-awareness, I wouldn't know that I exist! Since I barely know my own content, how could I hope to know another's? I can hardly see through my own eyes; for me to see through another's is impossible. Silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > > No Larry, > > > > That is all romantic nonsense. > > > > Consciousness is its content, without content no consciousnes. And > > you are your content and I am my content and we don't look through > > the same eyes and life ist not consciousness - thats all bs > > > > Wake up from your science fiction romance, Larry > > > > Werner > > I am rarely aware of my own content. Lol. If it weren't for moments > of self and other-awareness, I wouldn't know that I exist! Since I > barely know my own content, how could I hope to know another's? I can > hardly see through my own eyes; for me to see through another's is > impossible. > > Silver > consciousness has the quality of light, not of darkness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > > No Larry, > > > > > > That is all romantic nonsense. > > > > > > Consciousness is its content, without content no consciousnes. > And > > > you are your content and I am my content and we don't look > through > > > the same eyes and life ist not consciousness - thats all bs > > > > > > Wake up from your science fiction romance, Larry > > > > > > Werner > > > > I am rarely aware of my own content. Lol. If it weren't for > moments > > of self and other-awareness, I wouldn't know that I exist! Since I > > barely know my own content, how could I hope to know another's? I > can > > hardly see through my own eyes; for me to see through another's is > > impossible. > > > > Silver > > > consciousness has the quality of light, not of darkness. Right. Without light, I can't see. I'm blind when darkness surrounds me. If you could see through my eyes right now, what am I looking at? You don't know, do you? You're not conscious of anything else but your own consciousness. What am I thinking about right now? You don't know. You don't know what I'm feeling either because my content is mine alone and yours is yours. Larry is saying that we share the same content. He's saying that there is some kind of supercontent possessing us and seeing everything that we see and thinking our thoughts and feeling what we feel. It's absurd! Silver > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > No Larry, > > > > > > > > That is all romantic nonsense. > > > > > > > > Consciousness is its content, without content no consciousnes. > > And > > > > you are your content and I am my content and we don't look > > through > > > > the same eyes and life ist not consciousness - thats all bs > > > > > > > > Wake up from your science fiction romance, Larry > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > I am rarely aware of my own content. Lol. If it weren't for > > moments > > > of self and other-awareness, I wouldn't know that I exist! Since > I > > > barely know my own content, how could I hope to know another's? > I > > can > > > hardly see through my own eyes; for me to see through another's > is > > > impossible. > > > > > > Silver > > > > > consciousness has the quality of light, not of darkness. > > Right. Without light, I can't see. I'm blind when darkness > surrounds me. If you could see through my eyes right now, what am I > looking at? You don't know, do you? You're not conscious of > anything else but your own consciousness. What am I thinking about > right now? You don't know. You don't know what I'm feeling either > because my content is mine alone and yours is yours. Larry is saying > that we share the same content. He's saying that there is some kind > of supercontent possessing us and seeing everything that we see and > thinking our thoughts and feeling what we feel. It's absurd! > > Silver maybe ...but you seem to know what Larry is thinking?!? how the hell is it possible?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Maharaj in addition makes the next step and calls consciousness a 'fever'. With that remark he deprives conciousness of any spiritual quality. Werner Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > No Larry, > > > > > > > > That is all romantic nonsense. > > > > > > > > Consciousness is its content, without content no consciousnes. > > And > > > > you are your content and I am my content and we don't look > > through > > > > the same eyes and life ist not consciousness - thats all bs > > > > > > > > Wake up from your science fiction romance, Larry > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > I am rarely aware of my own content. Lol. If it weren't for > > moments > > > of self and other-awareness, I wouldn't know that I exist! Since > I > > > barely know my own content, how could I hope to know another's? > I > > can > > > hardly see through my own eyes; for me to see through another's > is > > > impossible. > > > > > > Silver > > > > > consciousness has the quality of light, not of darkness. > > Right. Without light, I can't see. I'm blind when darkness > surrounds me. If you could see through my eyes right now, what am I > looking at? You don't know, do you? You're not conscious of > anything else but your own consciousness. What am I thinking about > right now? You don't know. You don't know what I'm feeling either > because my content is mine alone and yours is yours. Larry is saying > that we share the same content. He's saying that there is some kind > of supercontent possessing us and seeing everything that we see and > thinking our thoughts and feeling what we feel. It's absurd! > > Silver > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > No Larry, > > That is all romantic nonsense. > > Consciousness is its content, without content no consciousnes. And > you are your content and I am my content and we don't look through > the same eyes and life ist not consciousness - thats all bs > > Wake up from your science fiction romance, Larry > > Werner > There is separation and connection at the same time. My physical body is separate from the rest of the universe but at the same time a seamless part of that same universe. There is not my body PLUS the physical universe, there is the physical universe which INCLUDES my own body. Consciousness may also be separate as an experience, just as my body as an experience is separate. Some people say that they know that there is only One Consciousness, but I myself do not experience myself as one with the world as one consciousness. My experience (at least up until now) is that I have a separate mind. But let's look at what the content of my mind is. It is based on genetical inheritence when I was born, a result of millions of years of evolution. So my genetical build-up is perhaps unique, but has very much in common with the rest of humanity. Then I have my social conditioning and a sense of separate self, a " me " has been formed since childhood up to this day. That conditioning ALL comes not from me but from society. So the only thing that is a personal " me " is a result of genetical inheritance interacting with society. Therefore the " me " is as content only stuff from the society I live in and genetical inheritance. Nothing of the content which I say is " me " really belongs to me! It's all external stuff. I can perhaps say that my personal free will is me, but even that is a result of society and biological background. So what is me anymore? :-) al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami Any human being cannot do any work just by will even after long concentration. The same work happens as soon as the Lord wishes just once. This whole Universe is created just by His one wish. The faith is a long time concentrated will power. The will is common in both the Lord and human being. The will is a characteristic of awareness. This awareness is common item in both the Lord and the human being. Therefore, will is also a common item in both the Lord and soul (human being). All these worlds are created just by one wish of the Lord. But even if the soul wishes one crore times in a highly concentrated way called “Faith”, even an atom is not created. When both are forms of awareness, why this vast difference comes? Just the one wish of the Lord appears as the solid Universe to all the souls! Even the highly concentrated will of a soul is not appearing as materialized form to other souls. Such will is not even appearing as imagination to other souls. It is appearing as imagination only to that particular soul, which imagined so. In one house the bulb is not glowing in-spite of putting on the switch several times. But in another house, the bulb is glowing when just once its switch is put on. In both the houses, same switches, same wires and same bulbs exist. But, the difference is that in the first house, there is no current. In the second house, there is current. Similarly in the awareness of soul, God (Parabrahman) does not exist. In the awareness of the Lord, God exists. This awareness is called as Brahman, because awareness, which is the first creation of God, is greatest among all the items of creation. Brahman means anything, which is greatest among a category of items. The word Parabrahman means God or Creator, who is beyond Brahman. Due to the power of God only, creation takes place. Mere awareness has no such power to create this Universe. This awareness is the will or imagination of God. This Universe appears always as imagination only to God. This Universe itself is an ocean of awareness. The soul is a drop in it. The power of the ocean is far greater than the power of the drop. Due to this only, this universe appears as materialized solid to the soul. This whole universe is again a drop only in the awareness created by God in the beginning, which is called as “Mula Prakruti” or “Maha Maya”. God does not exist in the Universe. Therefore, this Universe becomes a scene to the spectator-God. Scene must be different from the spectator. The “Mula Prakruti” into which God entered and pervaded is called as Lord (Eswara). This Lord is spectator and Universe is scene. Thus, both the Scene and the outer cover of Brahman are forms of awareness only. The soul is also a form of awareness. Soul – Universe –Spectator become greater and greater as we pass on. God is neither in the Universe nor is in the soul. Therefore, both these have no power of creation. Spectatorship is the characteristic of the awareness. Therefore, even the soul is a spectator. But the soul can see its own imaginary world as imagination and the Universe as reality. It cannot see this Universe as imagination. For the Lord only, this Universe including all the souls is an imagination. The Lord knows and sees everything in the Universe. But the soul sees and knows only a little in the Universe. Thus the spectatorship also differs in both the cases. The soul can see and knows everything of its own imaginary world only. Though, the Universe is entirely awareness, a part of it becomes spectator in the form of souls and another part is inert which does not see or know anything. This difference took place only by the will of the Lord. Therefore, a soul cannot throw away this difference created by the Lord and cannot treat both as one and the same awareness. The soul cannot say that the whole Universe has spectatorship. Some claim that they have realized the entire Universe as one awareness, which is totally against their own experience. Such experience of difference is the will of the Lord and so they behave differently for all practical purposes. No scholar talks with a stone! A stone cannot preach you and remove your ignorance for all practical purposes. Even the Lord views both the soul and inert matter differently as per their status, but He views both as His imagination. But the soul cannot see both as his imagination and the soul also views both differently like the Lord. If you refer to the external form of the Lord only, which is awareness, both the external form of Lord and the entire soul are one and the same. The difference is that the Lord is God embraced by the awareness, where as the soul is mere awareness. The Lord is the wire with current, where as the soul is the wire without current. Therefore, the soul cannot achieve anything in this world just by faith only. Its external actions may achieve something in this world but not its mere internal will. Even this external action becomes sometimes invalid, because the field of its action is the world, which is without God. Some say that everything is possible by self-confidence or faith. But this statement is laudable only till it is not analysed! The wire without current cannot create even a ray of light in the bulb. People believe that self-faith can achieve anything and therefore, they conclude that the self itself is the Lord. Anything is possible only to the Lord. If a soul wishes to make everything possible, the only way is to catch the Lord and please Him. “Self-Faith’ means the faith that is concentrated on the Lord, who came down as a self or as a human being. For the sake of the convenience of the soul to achieve such goal, the Lord comes down as a soul. The faith in such soul, to believe it as the Lord is called as “Self-Faith”. All the power of God is present in such human incarnation, because God and His power are beyond the spatial dimensions. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Anna Ruiz <nli10u wrote: - s_i_l_v_e_r1069 Nisargadatta Monday, December 19, 2005 7:02 AM Re: Consciousness is the Same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami > > Any human being cannot do any work just by will even after long concentration. The same work happens as soon as the Lord wishes just once. This whole Universe is created just by His one wish. The faith is a long time concentrated will power. The will is common in both the Lord and human being. The will is a characteristic of awareness. This awareness is common item in both the Lord and the human being. Therefore, will is also a common item in both the Lord and soul (human being). All these worlds are created just by one wish of the Lord. But even if the soul wishes one crore times in a highly concentrated way called " Faith " , even an atom is not created. When both are forms of awareness, why this vast difference comes? Just the one wish of the Lord appears as the solid Universe to all the souls! Even the highly concentrated will of a soul is not appearing as materialized form to other souls. Such will is not even appearing as imagination to other souls. It is appearing > as imagination only to that particular soul, which imagined so. In one house the bulb is not glowing in-spite of putting on the switch several times. But in another house, the bulb is glowing when just once its switch is put on. In both the houses, same switches, same wires and same bulbs exist. But, the difference is that in the first house, there is no current. In the second house, there is current. Similarly in the awareness of soul, God (Parabrahman) does not exist. In the awareness of the Lord, God exists. This awareness is called as Brahman, because awareness, which is the first creation of God, is greatest among all the items of creation. Brahman means anything, which is greatest among a category of items. > > The word Parabrahman means God or Creator, who is beyond Brahman. Due to the power of God only, creation takes place. Mere awareness has no such power to create this Universe. This awareness is the will or imagination of God. This Universe appears always as imagination only to God. This Universe itself is an ocean of awareness. The soul is a drop in it. The power of the ocean is far greater than the power of the drop. Due to this only, this universe appears as materialized solid to the soul. This whole universe is again a drop only in the awareness created by God in the beginning, which is called as " Mula Prakruti " or " Maha Maya " . God does not exist in the Universe. Therefore, this Universe becomes a scene to the spectator-God. Scene must be different from the spectator. The " Mula Prakruti " into which God entered and pervaded is called as Lord (Eswara). This Lord is spectator and Universe is scene. Thus, both the Scene and the outer cover of Brahman are forms of > awareness only. The soul is also a form of awareness. Soul – Universe –Spectator become greater and greater as we pass on. God is neither in the Universe nor is in the soul. Therefore, both these have no power of creation. Spectatorship is the characteristic of the awareness. Therefore, even the soul is a spectator. But the soul can see its own imaginary world as imagination and the Universe as reality. It cannot see this Universe as imagination. For the Lord only, this Universe including all the souls is an imagination. > > The Lord knows and sees everything in the Universe. But the soul sees and knows only a little in the Universe. Thus the spectatorship also differs in both the cases. The soul can see and knows everything of its own imaginary world only. Though, the Universe is entirely awareness, a part of it becomes spectator in the form of souls and another part is inert which does not see or know anything. This difference took place only by the will of the Lord. Therefore, a soul cannot throw away this difference created by the Lord and cannot treat both as one and the same awareness. The soul cannot say that the whole Universe has spectatorship. Some claim that they have realized the entire Universe as one awareness, which is totally against their own experience. Such experience of difference is the will of the Lord and so they behave differently for all practical purposes. No scholar talks with a stone! A stone cannot preach you and remove your ignorance for all practical purposes. > Even the Lord views both the soul and inert matter differently as per their status, but He views both as His imagination. But the soul cannot see both as his imagination and the soul also views both differently like the Lord. If you refer to the external form of the Lord only, which is awareness, both the external form of Lord and the entire soul are one and the same. The difference is that the Lord is God embraced by the awareness, where as the soul is mere awareness. The Lord is the wire with current, where as the soul is the wire without current. > > Therefore, the soul cannot achieve anything in this world just by faith only. Its external actions may achieve something in this world but not its mere internal will. Even this external action becomes sometimes invalid, because the field of its action is the world, which is without God. Some say that everything is possible by self-confidence or faith. But this statement is laudable only till it is not analysed! The wire without current cannot create even a ray of light in the bulb. People believe that self-faith can achieve anything and therefore, they conclude that the self itself is the Lord. Anything is possible only to the Lord. If a soul wishes to make everything possible, the only way is to catch the Lord and please Him. " Self-Faith' means the faith that is concentrated on the Lord, who came down as a self or as a human being. For the sake of the convenience of the soul to achieve such goal, the Lord comes down as a soul. The faith in such soul, to believe it as > the Lord is called as " Self-Faith " . All the power of God is present in such human incarnation, because God and His power are beyond the spatial dimensions. > > posted by: His servant > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > www.universal-spirituality.org > Nice message! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr Re: Consciousness is the Same Maharaj in addition makes the next step and calls consciousness a 'fever'. With that remark he deprives conciousness of any spiritual quality. Werner ----------- I admit that I'm not well versed on the particular teachings of Nisargadatta (So many gurus, so little time), but I've received daily quotes for some time now. Some teachers declare consciousness as all there is, which therefore is what we are. This quote from Nisargadatta would seem to agree with what you say here regarding consciousness: " There can be no such thing as changeless consciousness. Changelessness wipes out consciousness immediately. A man deprived of outer and inner sensations blanks out, or goes beyond consciousness and unconsciousness into the birthless and deathless state. " This tells me that he defines consciousness as the human mind and the conscious state of the human. Here's another quote: In God-realization, separate consciousness is discarded and duality is transcended in the abiding knowledge of identity with the Infinite Reality. The world of shadows is at an end and the curtain of illusion is for ever drawn. The distress of the pursuits of limited consciousness is replaced by the tranquillity and bliss of truth-consciousness and the restlessness of temporal existence is swallowed up in the peace of eternity. Here, he seems to distinguish between the " separate consciousness " of humanity and the " truth-consciousness " that I and others simply call consciousness. I wonder if that's been the source of some confusion in our discussions here. I sometimes refer to 'human consciousness' but I tend to avoid the term since I don't see anything occurring outside of the one consciousness. Human consciousness, then, is an illusion of consciousness itself. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman Re: Consciousness is the Same But let's look at what the content of my mind is. It is based on genetical inheritence when I was born, a result of millions of years of evolution. So my genetical build-up is perhaps unique, but has very much in common with the rest of humanity. Then I have my social conditioning and a sense of separate self, a " me " has been formed since childhood up to this day. That conditioning ALL comes not from me but from society. So the only thing that is a personal " me " is a result of genetical inheritance interacting with society. Therefore the " me " is as content only stuff from the society I live in and genetical inheritance. Nothing of the content which I say is " me " really belongs to me! It's all external stuff. I can perhaps say that my personal free will is me, but even that is a result of society and biological background. So what is me anymore? :-) al. --------------- I see that as a very useful line of reasoning, AL. When you contemplate the idea of free will or choice, as you suggest, these choices are all based on prior conditioning, and they become what I call the choiceless choice. This is only the illusion of choice, since there is only one particular choice that will be made, given the conditioning up to that point, over which the human has no control. It's not difficult to imagine that, given sufficient computing power, a computer could be programmed with all that stuff you mentioned, and would come to exactly the same choices you do. This is consistent with the non-dual perspective that there really is no individual human who has independent volition. This is frightening to the ego, but the ego is also illusion. What we are is the consciousness which animates the human mechanism, but does not think or make choices except within the context of a human vehicle which has no volition. As such, the thinking and choices have no real meaning except in that illusory context. (They don't represent the Truth of Reality) Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami The divine knowledge consists of two parts 1) If you are in Pravrutti (path of justice) only, you can attain your self by the self-realization. In this you will be fixed in the self and get detached from the both subtle and gross bodies. By this all the bonds related to gross body and related to feelings (Subtle body) are cut off and you will attain the eternal peace. All your worries, anxiety, tensions, misery, mental pain, dissatisfaction, confusion etc., will disappear forever. You will live with perfect peace through out your life. Peace is your property, which is the characteristic of your soul. You have to think that you are the pure awareness, which is stand still (called as Atman or soul). When you are attached to the gross body or subtle body (Mind), you have lost the peace. If you are attached to the casual body (soul), you have gained your lost peace. 2) In Nivrutti (path of liberation) you attain the Lord who has come in the human form for your sake to give the bliss. Bliss is only the characteristic of Lord as said in Veda (Anando Brahma……). Veda also says that the Lord alone can give bliss to the soul (Eshahyeva Anandayati……). Bliss is not characteristic of the soul. Your property is only the golden chain and not the diamond necklace. You should not think that peace is bliss. By your effort you can attain only peace but not the bliss. You can get the bliss only by nearing yourself to Sadguru who is the human incarnation. You can get the cool breeze when you are near the sea on the shore. If you are in the house, you have avoided the hot sun. By attaining the soul you have come to zero from minus, but that is not plus. Zero is within yourself and bliss is from external agency. When you have attained what you have, it is avoiding loss, which can give only peace but not the bliss. Thus, the divine knowledge of Sadguru gives you atleast peace, which is the earth, if not the bliss, which is the sky. He will give you the knowledge of Atman to give peace. This is essential requirement for anyone in this world. A few blessed people can also get the bliss if they realise that the Sadguru is the Lord Himself. Therefore, you must utilise the full freedom given to you in this human birth and you must destroy all your sins permanently through Nivrutti only. You should be very active to use this unlimited freedom within the limited span of lifetime. When you leave this gross body and go to upper worlds you have no freedom at all and those upper worlds hence are called as " Bhoga Loka " which mean that they are the worlds in which the results are to be enjoyed without any freedom. This earth is called as " Karma Loka " which means the world in which you are given full freedom to do anything. You are given the opportunity to receive the divine knowledge here and if you practice it by determination, your entire fate is changed here and there also. The sages did long penance and sat in the process of self-realization for several ages. They obtained peace of the self but not bliss of the Brahman. Then they realized and approached Lord Krishna as Gopikas for the bliss, which they got in Brindavanam in the vicinity of the Lord (Sayujyam). You can smile or laugh with bliss only by attaining the Lord in human form. You can get atleast a shadow of the bliss by remembering the Lord. But without any external agency you cannot get happiness or bliss. If you are peaceful and silent, no body will ask you the reason but if you are laughing and dancing in bliss stating that there is no external reason for it, it is unnatural and people will admit you in the mental hospital. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org ADHHUB wrote: I admit that I'm not well versed on the particular teachings of Nisargadatta (So many gurus, so little time), but I've received daily quotes for some time now. Some teachers declare consciousness as all there is, which therefore is what we are. This quote from Nisargadatta would seem to agree with what you say here regarding consciousness: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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