Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 In a message dated 12/19/2005 2:33:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, silver-1069 writes: Silver: Larry, in my line of work I encounter more than a few unconscious, unintelligent and unfeeling humans on a daily basis. They have about as much effect on me as holding a new age quartz crystal in my hand does. None that I can perceive. LE: Remember, every living being, every life, has a heritage that goes all the way back to the beginning of life on this planet. The so-called non-living stuff goes back even further, even 2.5 billions of years. You are being too critical of living things, beings. That a human can talk at all is sort of a miracle. They may look or act unconscious, and unintelligent, and unfeeling, but that is only the external appearance. That is the role or part the Infinite Life Being is playing out as who they are, just as the who you are. You wouldn't be here at all if it weren't for them who create the mass of human flesh out of which you arise. You are standing on the shoulders of that dull flesh, so to speak. Back before there was you, the intelligent, the perceptive, there were your ancestors, the brutish, the ignorant, the dark mass of humans who could hardly speak a word 100,000 years agao, or 200,000 years ago. Only because they lived, do you live. And this mass of human flesh that lives, but does not think very well, is still here although changed, just as your ancestor line has changed. You have come out of them, they are you, so perhaps a bit of kindness and charity is needed here, rather than superiority and arrogance. And some of their children may be smarter and more intelligent that you. You are like the genius whose parents are ignorant and uneducated, and rough in their manners, and who is ashamed of his ancestory, his parents, and denies his parentage and says, " I did not come out of them, I am above them, I do not accept them. " " They are nothing, but I, I, am something great. " You know, some people place very high value on crystals as transforming energies, although I do not, but to compare people to crystals is perhaps giving them more value than you think they deserve. All and any contemporary human is more conscious and aware than a rock or a tree, or a dog, or a monkey even though you may not agree since you compare them to a crystal which is a rock or stone. So obviously you are exaggerating. And you are using the word " consciousness " in a different sense than I. Just imagine being one of these people and looking out of their eyes. What is going on? Is there some basic difference between you and them in the perception of experience? Who is looking out? The superior versus the lesser? How is your experience of eating a bowl of rice when you are hungry different from theirs? And when you are having sex? Is your sexual experience more profound, deeper, more intelligent than theirs? When you are sick, and your nose is dripping with snot, is your discomfort more than theirs? It is One Being looking out from all eyes, from all the senses of all beings and non-beings. All humans and others are like the fingers of a hand, separate at the ends, and joined at the root. Everything is like that, separate in appearance, and joined at the root, and it is the One Life Being who is experiencing all of this, here and now and everywhere, strange and impossible as it may seem. And why do you object so strongly? If I have that fantasy, that sense, that point of view, that pointless point of view, what difference does it make to you? Why do you even bother with this idea? Let it be, let me be to go my own way? What is your concern if I am dumb, blind or ignorant? Perhaps I am just another of the unconscious, unintelligent, and unfeeling persons you see everyday and look down in your superior arrogance. Do you offer them any help or advice or assistance, or do you just sneer at them and walk by, and are you sneering at me in my ignorance as well? Larry Epston www.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 LE: " They may look or act unconscious, and unintelligent, and unfeeling, but that is only the external appearance. " Silver: Larry, if it appears to me that someone is behaving in a way that threatens my existence, I will not take the time to consider our common caveman ancestry. I don't care one iota that this person descends from our Mother Monkey or not. If he is going to harm me, I will take measures to reduce him to nothing before he does. LE: " That is the role or part the Infinite Life Being is playing out as who they are, just as the who you are. " Silver: Well, if your Infinite Life Being wants to play the role of my assailant, I guess I'll just have to live with my role as His worst nightmare. LE: " You wouldn't be here at all if it weren't for them who create the mass of human flesh out of which you arise. You are standing on the shoulders of that dull flesh, so to speak. " Silver: Bull shit! I am standing with my foot up his ass. LE: " Back before there was you, the intelligent, the perceptive, there were your ancestors, the brutish, the ignorant, the dark mass of humans who could hardly speak a word 100,000 years agao, or 200,000 years ago. Only because they lived, do you live. Silver: I live because I was strong enough to endure the odds against my having been born. Evolution provided the means to my end. And I did'nt ask for it either. LE: " And this mass of human flesh that lives, but does not think very well, is still here although changed, just as your ancestor line has changed. You have come out of them, they are you, so perhaps a bit of kindness and charity is needed here, rather than superiority and arrogance. " Silver: I am here because my ancestors were superior and arrogant enough to fight their inferior enemies. LE: " And some of their children may be smarter and more intelligent that you. " Silver: I don't have a problem with the children of idiots if they're not idiots. LE: " You are like the genius whose parents are ignorant and uneducated, and rough in their manners, and who is ashamed of his ancestory, his parents, and denies his parentage and says, " I did not come out of them, I am above them, I do not accept them. They are nothing, but I, I, am something great. " " Silver: Some of my ancestors would have scalped you or eaten you for breakfast. I, on the other hand, would not. LE: " You know, some people place very high value on crystals as transforming energies, although I do not, but to compare people to crystals is perhaps giving them more value than you think they deserve. " Silver: You're right. Some have a higher value than a crystal and deserve my respect. Some don't. LE: " All and any contemporary human is more conscious and aware than a rock or a tree, or a dog, or a monkey even though you may not agree since you compare them to a crystal which is a rock or stone. So obviously you are exaggerating. " Silver: I wasn't comparing people to rocks. I was saying that some people are about as useless as a quartz crystal is to a non-New Ager like myself. LE: " And you are using the word " consciousness " in a different sense than I. Just imagine being one of these people and looking out of their eyes. What is going on? " Silver: I ask myself that question all the time. What the hell is wrong with that asshole? Is he on drugs or something? LE: " Is there some basic difference between you and them in the perception of experience? " Silver: Uh...yes, there is a difference. When I am assaulted by a disruptive idiot, there is something wrong with the way he is perceiving life and I am forced to perceive him as an enemy who needs to be subdued. LE: " Who is looking out? The superior versus the lesser? " Silver: No. The sane (that would be me) versus the insane. LE: " How is your experience of eating a bowl of rice when you are hungry different from theirs? " Silver: I appreciate it and eat it in gratitude. I can't speak for other people. LE: " And when you are having sex? Is your sexual experience more profound, deeper, more intelligent than theirs? " Silver: I can only speak for myself. I don't know how others experience sex. LE: " When you are sick, and your nose is dripping with snot, is your discomfort more than theirs? " Silver: It might be or it might not be, depending on how much snot is dripping out of my nose. LE: " It is One Being looking out from all eyes, from all the senses of all beings and non-beings. All humans and others are like the fingers of a hand, separate at the ends, and joined at the root. " Silver: But if one of your fingers becomes infected with gangarene, I bet you wouldn't hesitate to chop it off before it spread to the others. LE " Everything is like that, separate in appearance, and joined at the root, and it is the One Life Being who is experiencing all of this, here and now and everywhere, strange and impossible as it may seem. " Silver: Prove it. LE: " And why do you object so strongly? If I have that fantasy, that sense, that point of view, that pointless point of view, what difference does it make to you? " Silver: It makes no difference to me at all. I was bored and wanted to kill some time. LE: " Why do you even bother with this idea? Let it be, let me be to go my own way? What is your concern if I am dumb, blind or ignorant? Perhaps I am just another of the unconscious, unintelligent, and unfeeling persons you see everyday and look down in your superior arrogance. " Silver: Lol. No, I don't think you're one of the people I have to deal with every day. LE: " Do you offer them any help or advice or assistance, or do you just sneer at them and walk by, and are you sneering at me in my ignorance as well? " Silver: You're nothing like them, Larry. Chill out, brother. Or I'll kick your ass, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Hmmm, Sounds pretty like WHR reborn again but disguised as kinda nihilist. I had a search with Google for silver1069 and indeed that guy is a New Testament freak and is also posting on belief.net ... Werner Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > LE: " They may look or act unconscious, and unintelligent, and > unfeeling, but that is only the external appearance. " > > Silver: Larry, if it appears to me that someone is behaving in a way > that threatens my existence, I will not take the time to consider our > common caveman ancestry. I don't care one iota that this person > descends from our Mother Monkey or not. If he is going to harm me, I > will take measures to reduce him to nothing before he does. > > LE: " That is the role or part the Infinite Life Being is playing out > as who they are, just as the who you are. " > > Silver: Well, if your Infinite Life Being wants to play the role of > my assailant, I guess I'll just have to live with my role as His > worst nightmare. > > LE: " You wouldn't be here at all if it weren't for them who create > the mass of human flesh out of which you arise. You are standing on > the shoulders of that dull flesh, so to speak. " > > Silver: Bull shit! I am standing with my foot up his ass. > > LE: " Back before there was you, the intelligent, the perceptive, > there were your ancestors, the brutish, the ignorant, the dark mass > of humans who could hardly speak a word 100,000 years agao, or > 200,000 years ago. Only because they lived, do you live. > > Silver: I live because I was strong enough to endure the odds > against my having been born. Evolution provided the means to my > end. And I did'nt ask for it either. > > LE: " And this mass of human flesh that lives, but does not think > very well, is still here although changed, just as your ancestor line > has changed. You have come out of them, they are you, so perhaps a > bit of kindness and charity is needed here, rather than superiority > and arrogance. " > > Silver: I am here because my ancestors were superior and arrogant > enough to fight their inferior enemies. > > LE: " And some of their children may be smarter and more intelligent > that you. " > > Silver: I don't have a problem with the children of idiots if > they're not idiots. > > LE: " You are like the genius whose parents are ignorant and > uneducated, and rough in their manners, and who is ashamed of his > ancestory, his parents, and denies his parentage and says, " I did > not come out of them, I am above them, I do not accept them. They > are nothing, but I, I, am something great. " " > > Silver: Some of my ancestors would have scalped you or eaten you for > breakfast. I, on the other hand, would not. > > LE: " You know, some people place very high value on crystals as > transforming energies, although I do not, but to compare people to > crystals is perhaps giving them more value than you think they > deserve. " > > Silver: You're right. Some have a higher value than a crystal and > deserve my respect. Some don't. > > LE: " All and any contemporary human is more conscious and aware than > a rock or a tree, or a dog, or a monkey even though you may not agree > since you compare them to a crystal which is a rock or stone. So > obviously you are exaggerating. " > > Silver: I wasn't comparing people to rocks. I was saying that some > people are about as useless as a quartz crystal is to a non-New Ager > like myself. > > LE: " And you are using the word " consciousness " in a different sense > than I. Just imagine being one of these people and looking out of > their eyes. What is going on? " > > Silver: I ask myself that question all the time. What the hell is > wrong with that asshole? Is he on drugs or something? > > LE: " Is there some basic difference between you and them in the > perception of experience? " > > Silver: Uh...yes, there is a difference. When I am assaulted by a > disruptive idiot, there is something wrong with the way he is > perceiving life and I am forced to perceive him as an enemy who needs > to be subdued. > > LE: " Who is looking out? The superior versus the lesser? " > > Silver: No. The sane (that would be me) versus the insane. > > LE: " How is your experience of eating a bowl of rice when you are > hungry different from theirs? " > > Silver: I appreciate it and eat it in gratitude. I can't speak for > other people. > > LE: " And when you are having sex? Is your sexual experience more > profound, deeper, more intelligent than theirs? " > > Silver: I can only speak for myself. I don't know how others > experience sex. > > LE: " When you are sick, and your nose is dripping with snot, is your > discomfort more than theirs? " > > Silver: It might be or it might not be, depending on how much snot > is dripping out of my nose. > > LE: " It is One Being looking out from all eyes, from all the senses > of all beings and non-beings. All humans and others are like the > fingers of a hand, separate at the ends, and joined at the root. " > > Silver: But if one of your fingers becomes infected with gangarene, > I bet you wouldn't hesitate to chop it off before it spread to the > others. > > LE " Everything is like that, separate in appearance, and joined at > the root, and it is the One Life Being who is experiencing all of > this, here and now and everywhere, strange and impossible as it may > seem. " > > Silver: Prove it. > > LE: " And why do you object so strongly? If I have that fantasy, > that sense, that point of view, that pointless point of view, what > difference does it make to you? " > > Silver: It makes no difference to me at all. I was bored and wanted > to kill some time. > > LE: " Why do you even bother with this idea? Let it be, let me be to > go my own way? What is your concern if I am dumb, blind or > ignorant? Perhaps I am just another of the unconscious, > unintelligent, and unfeeling persons you see everyday and look down > in your superior arrogance. " > > Silver: Lol. No, I don't think you're one of the people I have to > deal with every day. > > LE: " Do you offer them any help or advice or assistance, or do you > just sneer at them and walk by, and are you sneering at me in my > ignorance as well? " > > Silver: You're nothing like them, Larry. Chill out, brother. Or > I'll kick your ass, too. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr Re: To Silver-Human Consciousness Hmmm, Sounds pretty like WHR reborn again but disguised as kinda nihilist. I had a search with Google for silver1069 and indeed that guy is a New Testament freak and is also posting on belief.net ... Werner Ahh, thanks, Werner. You just saved a lot of wear on my typing fingers. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 > Hmmm, > > Sounds pretty like WHR reborn again but disguised as kinda nihilist. > > I had a search with Google for silver1069 and indeed that guy is a > New Testament freak and is also posting on belief.net ... > > Werner Sneaky little devil, aren't you! I have to correct you on a few things though. I am not WHR reborn. I am not a nihilist nor am I a New Testament freak. (Nihilists generally would'nt be New Testament freaks, now would they?) You read one or maybe two quotes I made from the New Testament on B-net and concluded that I am a New Testament freak. I used to read Tarot for people on B-net. I'm surprised you did'nt see that and call me a Tarot freak, too. I used to read the Course in Miracles and the Urantia Book and posted a few questions about these books on B-net. I was also told by a doctor that I was bi-polar and asked some questions on b-net about that. The fact is, I no longer to any of my former beliefs. I reject the Bible, the Course in Miracles, the Urantia book and Tarot and any other erroneous ideas I formerly held in my exploration of truth. Nor do I believe I am bi-polar anymore. All of the above is bull shit to me now. There's a lot of bull shit flying around here in this group too. but I like Nisargadatta and I'm here to stay and watch the show. do you mind? Silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Oh yes. And one more correction, Werner: You said I am posting on belief.net. I don't post there anymore. In fact, I've never posted there. On the other hand, I have posted on beliefnet.com. I don't find it as interesting as this group is. I find yours the funniest. Silver Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hmmm, > > Sounds pretty like WHR reborn again but disguised as kinda nihilist. > > I had a search with Google for silver1069 and indeed that guy is a > New Testament freak and is also posting on belief.net ... > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > LE: " They may look or act unconscious, and unintelligent, and > > unfeeling, but that is only the external appearance. " > > > > Silver: Larry, if it appears to me that someone is behaving in a > way > > that threatens my existence, I will not take the time to consider > our > > common caveman ancestry. I don't care one iota that this person > > descends from our Mother Monkey or not. If he is going to harm me, > I > > will take measures to reduce him to nothing before he does. > > > > LE: " That is the role or part the Infinite Life Being is playing > out > > as who they are, just as the who you are. " > > > > Silver: Well, if your Infinite Life Being wants to play the role > of > > my assailant, I guess I'll just have to live with my role as His > > worst nightmare. > > > > LE: " You wouldn't be here at all if it weren't for them who create > > the mass of human flesh out of which you arise. You are standing > on > > the shoulders of that dull flesh, so to speak. " > > > > Silver: Bull shit! I am standing with my foot up his ass. > > > > LE: " Back before there was you, the intelligent, the perceptive, > > there were your ancestors, the brutish, the ignorant, the dark mass > > of humans who could hardly speak a word 100,000 years agao, or > > 200,000 years ago. Only because they lived, do you live. > > > > Silver: I live because I was strong enough to endure the odds > > against my having been born. Evolution provided the means to my > > end. And I did'nt ask for it either. > > > > LE: " And this mass of human flesh that lives, but does not think > > very well, is still here although changed, just as your ancestor > line > > has changed. You have come out of them, they are you, so perhaps a > > bit of kindness and charity is needed here, rather than superiority > > and arrogance. " > > > > Silver: I am here because my ancestors were superior and arrogant > > enough to fight their inferior enemies. > > > > LE: " And some of their children may be smarter and more > intelligent > > that you. " > > > > Silver: I don't have a problem with the children of idiots if > > they're not idiots. > > > > LE: " You are like the genius whose parents are ignorant and > > uneducated, and rough in their manners, and who is ashamed of his > > ancestory, his parents, and denies his parentage and says, " I did > > not come out of them, I am above them, I do not accept them. They > > are nothing, but I, I, am something great. " " > > > > Silver: Some of my ancestors would have scalped you or eaten you > for > > breakfast. I, on the other hand, would not. > > > > LE: " You know, some people place very high value on crystals as > > transforming energies, although I do not, but to compare people to > > crystals is perhaps giving them more value than you think they > > deserve. " > > > > Silver: You're right. Some have a higher value than a crystal and > > deserve my respect. Some don't. > > > > LE: " All and any contemporary human is more conscious and aware > than > > a rock or a tree, or a dog, or a monkey even though you may not > agree > > since you compare them to a crystal which is a rock or stone. So > > obviously you are exaggerating. " > > > > Silver: I wasn't comparing people to rocks. I was saying that > some > > people are about as useless as a quartz crystal is to a non-New > Ager > > like myself. > > > > LE: " And you are using the word " consciousness " in a different > sense > > than I. Just imagine being one of these people and looking out of > > their eyes. What is going on? " > > > > Silver: I ask myself that question all the time. What the hell is > > wrong with that asshole? Is he on drugs or something? > > > > LE: " Is there some basic difference between you and them in the > > perception of experience? " > > > > Silver: Uh...yes, there is a difference. When I am assaulted by a > > disruptive idiot, there is something wrong with the way he is > > perceiving life and I am forced to perceive him as an enemy who > needs > > to be subdued. > > > > LE: " Who is looking out? The superior versus the lesser? " > > > > Silver: No. The sane (that would be me) versus the insane. > > > > LE: " How is your experience of eating a bowl of rice when you are > > hungry different from theirs? " > > > > Silver: I appreciate it and eat it in gratitude. I can't speak > for > > other people. > > > > LE: " And when you are having sex? Is your sexual experience more > > profound, deeper, more intelligent than theirs? " > > > > Silver: I can only speak for myself. I don't know how others > > experience sex. > > > > LE: " When you are sick, and your nose is dripping with snot, is > your > > discomfort more than theirs? " > > > > Silver: It might be or it might not be, depending on how much snot > > is dripping out of my nose. > > > > LE: " It is One Being looking out from all eyes, from all the > senses > > of all beings and non-beings. All humans and others are like the > > fingers of a hand, separate at the ends, and joined at the root. " > > > > Silver: But if one of your fingers becomes infected with > gangarene, > > I bet you wouldn't hesitate to chop it off before it spread to the > > others. > > > > LE " Everything is like that, separate in appearance, and joined at > > the root, and it is the One Life Being who is experiencing all of > > this, here and now and everywhere, strange and impossible as it may > > seem. " > > > > Silver: Prove it. > > > > LE: " And why do you object so strongly? If I have that fantasy, > > that sense, that point of view, that pointless point of view, what > > difference does it make to you? " > > > > Silver: It makes no difference to me at all. I was bored and > wanted > > to kill some time. > > > > LE: " Why do you even bother with this idea? Let it be, let me be > to > > go my own way? What is your concern if I am dumb, blind or > > ignorant? Perhaps I am just another of the unconscious, > > unintelligent, and unfeeling persons you see everyday and look down > > in your superior arrogance. " > > > > Silver: Lol. No, I don't think you're one of the people I have to > > deal with every day. > > > > LE: " Do you offer them any help or advice or assistance, or do you > > just sneer at them and walk by, and are you sneering at me in my > > ignorance as well? " > > > > Silver: You're nothing like them, Larry. Chill out, brother. Or > > I'll kick your ass, too. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Not at all, Silver, You are welcone. And you are right, my quick checks were to superficial to get a more whole impression who you could be. Enjoy ! Werner P.S. What means 'bi-polar' ? Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > > Hmmm, > > > > Sounds pretty like WHR reborn again but disguised as kinda nihilist. > > > > I had a search with Google for silver1069 and indeed that guy is a > > New Testament freak and is also posting on belief.net ... > > > > Werner > > Sneaky little devil, aren't you! I have to correct you on a few > things though. I am not WHR reborn. I am not a nihilist nor am I a > New Testament freak. (Nihilists generally would'nt be New Testament > freaks, now would they?) You read one or maybe two quotes I made > from the New Testament on B-net and concluded that I am a New > Testament freak. I used to read Tarot for people on B-net. I'm > surprised you did'nt see that and call me a Tarot freak, too. I used > to read the Course in Miracles and the Urantia Book and posted a few > questions about these books on B-net. I was also told by a doctor > that I was bi-polar and asked some questions on b-net about that. > The fact is, I no longer to any of my former beliefs. I > reject the Bible, the Course in Miracles, the Urantia book and Tarot > and any other erroneous ideas I formerly held in my exploration of > truth. Nor do I believe I am bi-polar anymore. All of the above is > bull shit to me now. There's a lot of bull shit flying around here > in this group too. but I like Nisargadatta and I'm here to stay and > watch the show. do you mind? > > Silver > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Phil, Silver already replied with msg: 29636 and 29637 Werner Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > Re: To Silver-Human Consciousness > > Hmmm, > > Sounds pretty like WHR reborn again but disguised as kinda nihilist. > > I had a search with Google for silver1069 and indeed that guy is a > New Testament freak and is also posting on belief.net ... > > Werner > > > > > Ahh, thanks, Werner. You just saved a lot of wear on my typing fingers. > > Phil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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