Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 I just recently have been thinking that what I call " me " is the content in my life. But look at the content!!! There's nothing personal in it! My body " belongs " to the universe, I did not create it, and all the content in my mind is a result of society. What the heck have I that is the society?! Nothing! Absolutely nothing. All the content that I call " me " is really all of it the result of nature including society. None of that is me! The potential for liberation by recognizing this may be profound. There is no " my " content and " your " content, there is only content. The idea of a separate self based on content is an illusion. On a practical level, I have my content and you have your content, but none of us " owns " that content. It all belongs to Life/Totality. I must ponder over this view a bit more. Realizing that content is not personal could potentially heal all inner conflict. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Baloney, Anders, stop thinking, or that crap never will end. Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > I just recently have been thinking that what I call " me " is the > content in my life. But look at the content!!! There's nothing > personal in it! My body " belongs " to the universe, I did not create > it, and all the content in my mind is a result of society. What the > heck have I that is the society?! Nothing! Absolutely nothing. All the > content that I call " me " is really all of it the result of nature > including society. None of that is me! The potential for liberation by > recognizing this may be profound. There is no " my " content and " your " > content, there is only content. The idea of a separate self based on > content is an illusion. On a practical level, I have my content and > you have your content, but none of us " owns " that content. It all > belongs to Life/Totality. > > I must ponder over this view a bit more. Realizing that content is not > personal could potentially heal all inner conflict. > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 it sounds good... Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > I just recently have been thinking that what I call " me " is the > content in my life. But look at the content!!! There's nothing > personal in it! My body " belongs " to the universe, I did not create > it, and all the content in my mind is a result of society. What the > heck have I that is the society?! Nothing! Absolutely nothing. All the > content that I call " me " is really all of it the result of nature > including society. None of that is me! The potential for liberation by > recognizing this may be profound. There is no " my " content and " your " > content, there is only content. The idea of a separate self based on > content is an illusion. On a practical level, I have my content and > you have your content, but none of us " owns " that content. It all > belongs to Life/Totality. > > I must ponder over this view a bit more. Realizing that content is not > personal could potentially heal all inner conflict. > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Baloney, Anders, > > stop thinking, or that crap never will end. > > Werner You don't see? We all have a massive amount of personal content in our mind, but ALL of that is the result of society. It's not personal at all! Therefore, ALL content in the world is utterly impersonal. Your knowledge about the English language, where does it come from? All of that comes from OUTSIDE yourself. The same with your other forms of knowledge, experiences, material possessions e t c. It all belongs to Life/Totality. You are not responsible for any of that! You are in yourself nothing, or rather a " no thing " . al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman The self without content I just recently have been thinking that what I call " me " is the content in my life. But look at the content!!! There's nothing personal in it! My body " belongs " to the universe, I did not create it, and all the content in my mind is a result of society. What the heck have I that is the society?! Nothing! Absolutely nothing. All the content that I call " me " is really all of it the result of nature including society. None of that is me! The potential for liberation by recognizing this may be profound. There is no " my " content and " your " content, there is only content. The idea of a separate self based on content is an illusion. On a practical level, I have my content and you have your content, but none of us " owns " that content. It all belongs to Life/Totality. I must ponder over this view a bit more. Realizing that content is not personal could potentially heal all inner conflict. al. Absoulutely. It could be the end of the concept of doership and therefore the end of struggle to cause anything to happen and the beginning of peace. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 In a message dated 12/19/2005 5:13:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > > " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman > The self without content > > I just recently have been thinking that what I call " me " is the > content in my life. But look at the content!!! There's nothing > personal in it! My body " belongs " to the universe, I did not create > it, and all the content in my mind is a result of society. What the > heck have I that is the society?! Nothing! Absolutely nothing. All the > content that I call " me " is really all of it the result of nature > including society. None of that is me! The potential for liberation by > recognizing this may be profound. There is no " my " content and " your " > content, there is only content. The idea of a separate self based on > content is an illusion. On a practical level, I have my content and > you have your content, but none of us " owns " that content. It all > belongs to Life/Totality. > > I must ponder over this view a bit more. Realizing that content is not > personal could potentially heal all inner conflict. > > al. > > Absoulutely. > It could be the end of the concept of doership and therefore the end of > struggle to cause anything to happen and the beginning of peace. > > Phil > What you are. You are the one who sees. That openess that absorbs experience. In silence, you can feel it, be it. Everyone and everything is the same in that respect. That space, that openess, that viewer who is experiencing you as you, that is your true identity. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Larry, There is noone who sees, there is just seeing. Same with the other senses. There is no one who thinks, there is just thinking. This idea there is an entity which is actively living has its origin in your belief that consciousness is a cantainer, a receiver, a mirror, in short - somesthing static which never changes but in which the endless changing world is appering. And you believe this mirror is you and so you are invulnerable and you have eternal life. All that is absolutely wrong. Werner Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/19/2005 5:13:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ADHHUB@A... writes: > > > > > " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> > > The self without content > > > > I just recently have been thinking that what I call " me " is the > > content in my life. But look at the content!!! There's nothing > > personal in it! My body " belongs " to the universe, I did not create > > it, and all the content in my mind is a result of society. What the > > heck have I that is the society?! Nothing! Absolutely nothing. All the > > content that I call " me " is really all of it the result of nature > > including society. None of that is me! The potential for liberation by > > recognizing this may be profound. There is no " my " content and " your " > > content, there is only content. The idea of a separate self based on > > content is an illusion. On a practical level, I have my content and > > you have your content, but none of us " owns " that content. It all > > belongs to Life/Totality. > > > > I must ponder over this view a bit more. Realizing that content is not > > personal could potentially heal all inner conflict. > > > > al. > > > > Absoulutely. > > It could be the end of the concept of doership and therefore the end of > > struggle to cause anything to happen and the beginning of peace. > > > > Phil > > > What you are. You are the one who sees. That openess that absorbs > experience. > In silence, you can feel it, be it. Everyone and everything is the same in > that respect. That space, that openess, that viewer who is experiencing you as > you, that is your true identity. > > Larry > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Larry, > > There is noone who sees, there is just seeing. Same with the other > senses. > > There is no one who thinks, there is just thinking. > > This idea there is an entity which is actively living has its origin > in your belief that consciousness is a cantainer, a receiver, a > mirror, in short - somesthing static which never changes but in which > the endless changing world is appering. > > And you believe this mirror is you and so you are invulnerable and > you have eternal life. > > All that is absolutely wrong. > > Werner The idea of consciousness as a timeless one awareness could be wrong, but could also, as I see it, be a correct view. How can we know? Only when a person knows himself or herself as the one eternal awareness, then there is no doubt. Until then, I would suspect that even you have doubts about what you wrote. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 doubt and certainty, right and wrong are just quality of the mind. you wrote : " when a person knows himself or herself as the one eternal awareness,then there is no doubt. " . may i ask, how do you know this? Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Larry, > > > > There is noone who sees, there is just seeing. Same with the other > > senses. > > > > There is no one who thinks, there is just thinking. > > > > This idea there is an entity which is actively living has its origin > > in your belief that consciousness is a cantainer, a receiver, a > > mirror, in short - somesthing static which never changes but in which > > the endless changing world is appering. > > > > And you believe this mirror is you and so you are invulnerable and > > you have eternal life. > > > > All that is absolutely wrong. > > > > Werner > > > The idea of consciousness as a timeless one awareness could be wrong, > but could also, as I see it, be a correct view. How can we know? Only > when a person knows himself or herself as the one eternal awareness, > then there is no doubt. Until then, I would suspect that even you have > doubts about what you wrote. > > al. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > doubt and certainty, right and wrong are just quality of the mind. > you wrote : " when a person knows himself or herself as the one eternal > awareness,then there is no doubt. " . may i ask, how do you know this? > I am not sure that it really is possible to experience oneself as one with everything BUT if that is possible, then the idea of a separate self will automatically be seen as an illusion. It's like living in a world of blind people. Some people begin to see, and then the blind people ask: how do the people who can see know that they can see? al. > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > There is noone who sees, there is just seeing. Same with the > other > > > senses. > > > > > > There is no one who thinks, there is just thinking. > > > > > > This idea there is an entity which is actively living has its > origin > > > in your belief that consciousness is a cantainer, a receiver, a > > > mirror, in short - somesthing static which never changes but in > which > > > the endless changing world is appering. > > > > > > And you believe this mirror is you and so you are invulnerable > and > > > you have eternal life. > > > > > > All that is absolutely wrong. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > The idea of consciousness as a timeless one awareness could be > wrong, > > but could also, as I see it, be a correct view. How can we know? > Only > > when a person knows himself or herself as the one eternal awareness, > > then there is no doubt. Until then, I would suspect that even you > have > > doubts about what you wrote. > > > > al. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > doubt and certainty, right and wrong are just quality of the mind. > > you wrote : " when a person knows himself or herself as the one eternal > > awareness,then there is no doubt. " . may i ask, how do you know this? > > > > I am not sure that it really is possible to experience oneself as one > with everything BUT if that is possible, then the idea of a separate > self will automatically be seen as an illusion. It's like living in a > world of blind people. Some people begin to see, and then the blind > people ask: how do the people who can see know that they can see? > > al. hi al, oneself and everything are not so distant! if you start thinking about it, they will appear so but what is shared here is not for thinking about, it is for loving and living. when love is present, no BUT is present. and love is not difficult, it goes with life. i prefer to say: experience yourself as yourself, and let everything be what it is! love waaba > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > > > There is noone who sees, there is just seeing. Same with the > > other > > > > senses. > > > > > > > > There is no one who thinks, there is just thinking. > > > > > > > > This idea there is an entity which is actively living has its > > origin > > > > in your belief that consciousness is a cantainer, a receiver, a > > > > mirror, in short - somesthing static which never changes but in > > which > > > > the endless changing world is appering. > > > > > > > > And you believe this mirror is you and so you are invulnerable > > and > > > > you have eternal life. > > > > > > > > All that is absolutely wrong. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > The idea of consciousness as a timeless one awareness could be > > wrong, > > > but could also, as I see it, be a correct view. How can we know? > > Only > > > when a person knows himself or herself as the one eternal awareness, > > > then there is no doubt. Until then, I would suspect that even you > > have > > > doubts about what you wrote. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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