Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 12/22/05 > Wow! Here we go again. How about re-visiting my website. I just put on > some more actual songs and spoken poems. > This is just starting to feel like a futile argument that just goes round > and round, but I do appreciate your intensity. You must drive your friends > nuts. Ordinary people can't come close to your ferocity. You could be a > lawyer. That's part compliment and part insult. > > > In a message dated 12/22/2005 2:33:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, > silver-1069 writes: > > Silver: " Now, let's go back to your claim that there is an Infinite Life > Being expressing Itself and experiencing life through me and you, as through > everyone else. Do you really know this for certain? " > > Larry: " As certain as I am about anything else I am certain about. " > > Silver: " Perhaps you are merely experiencing a concept. " > > Larry: " I'm not sure that a person can experience a concept at all. Can a > concept be experienced? " > > Silver: Any intelligent human being can experience the mental process of > organizing and interpreting sensory information. It's called forming a > concept. In forming your concept of an Infinite Life Being living vicariously > through people, your brain has gathered sensory data from somewhere. I suspect > its source is something you read somewhere or something someone told you at one > time or another. A concept survives only if you give it attention and > thereby impress it firmly into your memory. Your concept of an Infinite Life > Being living in you is but a memory of something you learned in time. > > L.E: I gues I make a distinction between doing something like eating as an > experience, and thinking where concepts occur. I suppose in talking about > Infinite Life, I have a concept that I use to talk about it, but I also have > the experience about this being true, which isn't a concept. > Can one have an experience without having a concept about that experience? > I think yes. > Usually, as I said, I don't think about it, so if there is an animating > concept, it is mostly unknown to me. Your insistence that I learned something in > time that is just a memory is not accurate. What I discovered was an > experience of timelessness, which to you, probably doesn't exist. > And, it's not that an Infinite Life Being is living in me, it is rather, > that an Infinite Life Being is living AS me, and you, and everything else. A > big difference. > You still seem to insist that what I say is not true, and is only a concept, > a product of thinking that is somehow invented. This is not true. > > Larry: " I think that your question is really, how does my > experience apply to you and if it's true for me, is it true for you. I'm not > sure if my truth can ever be anothers. " > > Silver: No doubt many other people entertain the same notion and hold onto > it as tightly as you do. > > L.E: Why do you say, " no doubt. " I have no idea how many people could have > the same view of things. Perhaps Maharaj, or some other gurus do. I don't > know. Why do think that you know? And again, the " hold onto it as tightly > as you do. " I'm not aware of holding on to anything. I don't even think > about it usually. I feel quite at ease. Do you? > > Larry: " When you are saying, " There's nothing wrong with your concept, " you > are assuming my view of things is a concept and not a real actual > experience, so you don't trust me in that sense. " > > Silver: I don't doubt that you are having that experience, Larry. And I'm > not saying you are wrong for having it. But it is a fact that your brain has > formulated a concept in which you believe strongly. It pleases you to hold > on to it and you fear the forgetting of it. You identify yourself with a > concept. If you let go of it, along with all your mental constructs, your false > identity would have to go with it, too. > > L.E: I'm not aware of holding on to anything, or believing anything. I > wonder why you keep insisting on this. And when you write, " But it is a fact > that your brain has formulated a concept in which you believe strongly. " > It is NOT A FACT, and how would you know that, and why do you insist that my > view of things is a belief and not an actual event? Is every state of mind > based on a belief? You are telling me that I am hiding behind a " false > identity, " How about you? Am I addressing all of this to a false identity? Are > you real in some way I am not? > There is pure perception that we all experience by just looking and being. > Every condition of human behavior is not based on a belief. This seems to be > your hang-up. You seem to have a concept that you are holding on to and > refuse to let go of. Aside from my view, what is your view that you are > insisting on? That we are all animals that compete for survival in a brutal and > selfish way? Your first comments were dripping with blood, violence and > vengeance. Is that where you are coming from? That many others are less than you, > inferior and low in character? Do you work with the criminally insane? > What are you really so annoyed about? What is it about my view of life that > troubles you so much? My view implies a unity, a togetherness. Do you see > everyone as separate and competing? Do you refuse to admit that others have > something to do with you? Does the sense of relatedness seem to obligate you > to those you hold as inferiors? And so does it infuriates you that I see a > togetherness in all life? Something is bothering you. What is it? > > > Sincerely, > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > p.s. Again, thank you for an opportunity to express myself. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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