Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 On Dec 23, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Nisargadatta wrote: > Hi Sarah. Don't worry about Pete. He's just a Grinch > that likes to steal people's spiritual fantasies. > Or quash them. Or shoot them full of holes. > Whatever suits his fancy at the moment. > > Then he'll try to sell you the Ultimate Fantasy > of not having any fantasies! > > And then once he's sold you on *that* he'll > turn the tables on you and say *That fantasy* > is an illusion too (he's big on illusions being > *very* problematic). > > So if you then say, " Now what? " he'll say, " Nothing. > What do you mean What? What what? " going on in such > a vein. > > That's why we call him Dead End Pete. P; Ha, ha. All is pretty lively at this dead end! As for my tactics many fine teachers just pull the rug from under, rather than beat the head of the student. See below: Robert Meizer " <bobbymeizer more Jnaneshvar from the same Stan Trout (http://www.nonameorform.co.uk/phdmain_myst.html) translation that Danny quoted earlier: There is also this interesting passage in one of Stan Trout's introductory notes: " In every time, those who have experienced the Self are faced with the legacy of past expressions of this knowledge which have become calcified, as it were, into stone walls of tradition, standing in the way of real self-inquiry. The teachings of the Vedas, of the Buddha, and of Shankara, which burst those walls of complacent doctrine in their own time, themselves became in time bulwarks of meaningless doctrine which also had to be burst asunder by subsequent seers. In speaking of the Self, words, after all, are inadequate, and are therefore always open to contradiction. It is thus the perennial task of the enlightened to negate old terminologies, made meaningless by long familiarity, in order to jar awake the minds of men from their complacent slumber. " Stan (Swami Abhayananda) rocks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Now Pete, I daresay, I believe you misconstrued my use of the term Dead End. It was indeed highest praise in my book. [Tis a sorrow I feel when such delicate nuance is lost!] As for your tactics, given the quote (Stan) that you cite, I take it you mean to convey you are an Iconoclast at heart. Errr.... did you think you needed to tell me that? As one Iconoclast to another, I say, carry on Old Chum! Bill > On Dec 23, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > Hi Sarah. Don't worry about Pete. He's just a Grinch > > that likes to steal people's spiritual fantasies. > > Or quash them. Or shoot them full of holes. > > Whatever suits his fancy at the moment. > > > > Then he'll try to sell you the Ultimate Fantasy > > of not having any fantasies! > > > > And then once he's sold you on *that* he'll > > turn the tables on you and say *That fantasy* > > is an illusion too (he's big on illusions being > > *very* problematic). > > > > So if you then say, " Now what? " he'll say, " Nothing. > > What do you mean What? What what? " going on in such > > a vein. > > > > That's why we call him Dead End Pete. > > P; Ha, ha. All is pretty lively at this dead end! > > > As for my tactics many fine teachers just pull > the rug from under, rather than beat the > head of the student. > > See below: > > Robert Meizer " <bobbymeizer> > more Jnaneshvar > > from the same Stan Trout > (http://www.nonameorform.co.uk/phdmain_myst.html) translation that > Danny quoted earlier: > > There is also this interesting passage in one of Stan Trout's > introductory notes: " In every time, those who have experienced the > Self are faced with the legacy of past expressions of this knowledge > which have become calcified, as it were, into stone walls of > tradition, standing in the way of real self-inquiry. The teachings of > the Vedas, of the Buddha, and of Shankara, which burst those walls of > complacent doctrine in their own time, themselves became in time > bulwarks of meaningless doctrine which also had to be burst asunder by > subsequent seers. In speaking of the Self, words, after all, are > inadequate, and are therefore always open to contradiction. It is thus > the perennial task of the enlightened to negate old terminologies, > made meaningless by long familiarity, in order to jar awake the minds > of men from their complacent slumber. " > > Stan (Swami Abhayananda) rocks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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