Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 _lindman writes: Here is a sound clip with Tony Parsons called " No Escape " : Hi! I went there and heard the talk. Yes, very good, but with some difficulty with the " dreamer " part. I see it a little differently. Each person that talks about these things see them through, as, his/her individuality, so there are many different flavors so to speak. If you listen and get it, that's all that counts. His framework is traditional, that the seeker senses he is missing something and the ultimate purpose is to seek until possibly finding out the truth. I don't see or feel this. What I AM is Life Itself, in this I agree, but all the human stuff is what Life Itself is being and doing. So there is no gap, no place where Life is not. You can see that everything else is running as it must, as it does. All the aspects of outer space in which the earth floats is perfect. All the life on the earth, the growing things, the living things are perfect. Everything is behaving as it is and that is just fine. Then there is us. Humans. Well, without looking at the details, we are just like everything else, perfect and running just as it does. And when you get down into it, into the details of human life, you see all this behavior, some good, some bad, some peaceful, some war-like, but who, or what is doing all of this? It is Life Itself, the same Life that is existing as, and operating as the whole universe and everything in it. So whatever you do, or think or feel, is the behavior of this Whole Life Being. In that sense, there are no mistakes or errors, and that everything is perfect just as it is. And within this situation as you do what you want, you are IT, Life, doing what it wants just as you, just as everyone else. You are not being controlled, or a puppet, you just ARE, just as is everything else, and as you choose, IT chooses, as you think, IT thinks. You and I are the activity of Life Itself. Just accept it and you will feel better. No problem being who you are and doing whatever you choose to do. You are IT, IT is you, so there, now just get on with it. Write your book, love you girlfriend, eat your food, talk to your friends, and enjoy being the Life You Are. Or suffer, as you choose. Larry Epston www.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 In a message dated 12/25/2005 9:23:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, anders_lindman writes: > Yet Tony talks about a shift where the separate " me " totally drops > away. He also said something like " being asleep and being awake are > the same thing but when you are asleep you don't know this " . So what > he points to is an actual shift in one's whole experience of being, > not just a mental idea that all is oneness. I don't know if there is > such a shift possible. Tony could be fooling himself and others. Or he > could be right. And only those " people " who actually have gone through > this shift will actually know if what he says is true or not. > > al. > Tony says a lot of things. I'm not sure how they all fit together. I'd prefer to read his words, then to listen to them. What I wrote is the sense I made out of his talk. I saved a copy of his speech and will listen to it again, but I think he shifted points of view or what can be called levels of abstraction, so again, I'm not sure how it all fits together. What I wrote is from me and my understanding of things. That's the best I can do. Larry Epston www.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > _lindman writes: > Here is a sound clip with Tony Parsons called " No Escape " : > > Hi! > > I went there and heard the talk. Yes, very good, but with some difficulty > with the " dreamer " part. I see it a little differently. Each person that talks > about these things see them through, as, his/her individuality, so there are > many different flavors so to speak. > If you listen and get it, that's all that counts. > His framework is traditional, that the seeker senses he is missing something > and the ultimate purpose is to seek until possibly finding out the truth. > I don't see or feel this. > What I AM is Life Itself, in this I agree, but all the human stuff is what > Life Itself is being and doing. So there is no gap, no place where Life is not. > You can see that everything else is running as it must, as it does. All the > aspects of outer space in which the earth floats is perfect. All the life on > the earth, the growing things, the living things are perfect. Everything is > behaving as it is and that is just fine. > Then there is us. Humans. Well, without looking at the details, we are just > like everything else, perfect and running just as it does. > And when you get down into it, into the details of human life, you see all > this behavior, some good, some bad, some peaceful, some war-like, but who, or > what is doing all of this? > It is Life Itself, the same Life that is existing as, and operating as the > whole universe and everything in it. So whatever you do, or think or feel, is > the behavior of this Whole Life Being. In that sense, there are no mistakes or > errors, and that everything is perfect just as it is. And within this > situation as you do what you want, you are IT, Life, doing what it wants just as you, > just as everyone else. You are not being controlled, or a puppet, you just > ARE, just as is everything else, and as you choose, IT chooses, as you think, > IT thinks. You and I are the activity of Life Itself. > Just accept it and you will feel better. > No problem being who you are and doing whatever you choose to do. You are > IT, IT is you, so there, now just get on with it. Write your book, love you > girlfriend, eat your food, talk to your friends, and enjoy being the Life You > Are. Or suffer, as you choose. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Monday, December 26, 2005 12:22 AM Re: No Need To Escape Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > _lindman writes: > Here is a sound clip with Tony Parsons called " No Escape " : > > Hi! > > I went there and heard the talk. Yes, very good, but with some difficulty > with the " dreamer " part. I see it a little differently. Each person that talks > about these things see them through, as, his/her individuality, so there are > many different flavors so to speak. > If you listen and get it, that's all that counts. > His framework is traditional, that the seeker senses he is missing something > and the ultimate purpose is to seek until possibly finding out the truth. > I don't see or feel this. > What I AM is Life Itself, in this I agree, but all the human stuff is what > Life Itself is being and doing. So there is no gap, no place where Life is not. > You can see that everything else is running as it must, as it does. All the > aspects of outer space in which the earth floats is perfect. All the life on > the earth, the growing things, the living things are perfect. Everything is > behaving as it is and that is just fine. > Then there is us. Humans. Well, without looking at the details, we are just > like everything else, perfect and running just as it does. > And when you get down into it, into the details of human life, you see all > this behavior, some good, some bad, some peaceful, some war-like, but who, or > what is doing all of this? > It is Life Itself, the same Life that is existing as, and operating as the > whole universe and everything in it. So whatever you do, or think or feel, is > the behavior of this Whole Life Being. In that sense, there are no mistakes or > errors, and that everything is perfect just as it is. And within this > situation as you do what you want, you are IT, Life, doing what it wants just as you, > just as everyone else. You are not being controlled, or a puppet, you just > ARE, just as is everything else, and as you choose, IT chooses, as you think, > IT thinks. You and I are the activity of Life Itself. > Just accept it and you will feel better. > No problem being who you are and doing whatever you choose to do. You are > IT, IT is you, so there, now just get on with it. Write your book, love you > girlfriend, eat your food, talk to your friends, and enjoy being the Life You > Are. Or suffer, as you choose. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/25/2005 9:23:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > > Yet Tony talks about a shift where the separate " me " totally drops > > away. He also said something like " being asleep and being awake are > > the same thing but when you are asleep you don't know this " . So what > > he points to is an actual shift in one's whole experience of being, > > not just a mental idea that all is oneness. I don't know if there is > > such a shift possible. Tony could be fooling himself and others. Or he > > could be right. And only those " people " who actually have gone through > > this shift will actually know if what he says is true or not. > > > > al. > > > > Tony says a lot of things. I'm not sure how they all fit together. I'd > prefer to read his words, then to listen to them. What I wrote is the sense I > made out of his talk. I saved a copy of his speech and will listen to it again, > but I think he shifted points of view or what can be called levels of > abstraction, so again, I'm not sure how it all fits together. What I wrote is from me > and my understanding of things. That's the best I can do. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > And one should perhaps not blindly follow spiritual teachers and leave science behind. Check out this lecture by Bruce Lipton for example: http://s65.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0RFDE52WZFRCK3RE3A0JIHBE0I It could be the biology of the future Bruce is talking about! al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Monday, December 26, 2005 12:22 AM > Re: No Need To Escape > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > _lindman writes: > > Here is a sound clip with Tony Parsons called " No Escape " : > > > > Hi! > > > > I went there and heard the talk. Yes, very good, but with some > difficulty > > with the " dreamer " part. I see it a little differently. Each person > that talks > > about these things see them through, as, his/her individuality, so > there are > > many different flavors so to speak. > > If you listen and get it, that's all that counts. > > His framework is traditional, that the seeker senses he is missing > something > > and the ultimate purpose is to seek until possibly finding out the > truth. > > I don't see or feel this. > > What I AM is Life Itself, in this I agree, but all the human stuff > is what > > Life Itself is being and doing. So there is no gap, no place where > Life is not. > > You can see that everything else is running as it must, as it does. > All the > > aspects of outer space in which the earth floats is perfect. All > the life on > > the earth, the growing things, the living things are perfect. > Everything is > > behaving as it is and that is just fine. > > Then there is us. Humans. Well, without looking at the details, we > are just > > like everything else, perfect and running just as it does. > > And when you get down into it, into the details of human life, you > see all > > this behavior, some good, some bad, some peaceful, some war-like, > but who, or > > what is doing all of this? > > It is Life Itself, the same Life that is existing as, and operating > as the > > whole universe and everything in it. So whatever you do, or think > or feel, is > > the behavior of this Whole Life Being. In that sense, there are no > mistakes or > > errors, and that everything is perfect just as it is. And within this > > situation as you do what you want, you are IT, Life, doing what it > wants just as you, > > just as everyone else. You are not being controlled, or a puppet, > you just > > ARE, just as is everything else, and as you choose, IT chooses, as > you think, > > IT thinks. You and I are the activity of Life Itself. > > Just accept it and you will feel better. > > No problem being who you are and doing whatever you choose to do. > You are > > IT, IT is you, so there, now just get on with it. Write your book, > love you > > girlfriend, eat your food, talk to your friends, and enjoy being the > Life You > > Are. Or suffer, as you choose. > > > > Larry Epston > > www.epston.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 In a message dated 12/25/2005 10:30:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, anders_lindman writes: > And one should perhaps not blindly follow spiritual teachers and leave > science behind. The Pope just made a statement about this. He said science and reason were important otherwise " fundamentalism " results. I wonder if he was taking a poke at both the Taliban, Wahabism and Christian right wing fundamentalism and thier protests about evolution in the United States. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/25/2005 10:30:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > > And one should perhaps not blindly follow spiritual teachers and leave > > science behind. > > The Pope just made a statement about this. He said science and reason were > important otherwise " fundamentalism " results. I wonder if he was taking a poke > at both the Taliban, Wahabism and Christian right wing fundamentalism and > thier protests about evolution in the United States. > > Larry Epston > > 2005-12-25 Holy Father Lights a Flame of Peace VATICAN CITY, DEC. 25, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Hours before Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve, Benedict XVI lit a symbolic flame of peace from the window of his study. With this gesture, the Pope concluded the Vigil of Prayer of Peace and Life, which was presided over by Cardinal Edmund Szoka, president of the Governorate of Vatican City, to unveil the Nativity scene near the obelisk in St. Peter's Square. Accompanied by his secretary, Monsignor Georg Ganswein, the Holy Father lit a large white candle and recollected himself in prayer for a few moments. The Nativity scene has 17 natural-size figures, more than half of which were made by Vincent Palotti in 1842 for the crèche in the Roman Church of Sant'Andrea della Valle. The nearby 30-meter (100-foot) Christmas tree is a gift to the Pope this year from Austria. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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