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In a message dated 12/25/2005 7:52:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,

dannyc_1eyeluv writes:

 

 

I agree. Let the brain release. Give it a break. Sure, it can grasp

" things " again, later, but, it doesn't have to be constricted all the

time with mindless thought. The mind itself is merely thought, anyway,

an ephemeron. Just leave it be until it settles into its natural state

and, then, everything will be just fine.

 

dannyc

 

 

The relationship between the brain and mind is not clear. Perhaps one can

say that the brain produces the sensation of mind, and mind produces the

sensation of thought. The question of self-identity cannot be answered in

considering either thoughts or mind, but rather as Danny suggests, by releasing

tension

stored in the muscles and nerves of the brain itself. By meditation,

stillness, relaxation, warm bathing, massage and proper nutrition, the brain as

living

tissue, settles into its natural state and the result is happiness,

contentment and joy, a natural condition.

 

Larry Epston

www.epston.com

 

 

 

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I think that the concept of mind becomes

an added difficulty when we think of it

as an organ, like the stomach, which is

always there whether empty, or full.

 

The mind is a function of the brain,

like a fist is a function of the hand.

Where does the fist go when we open

our hand? Can a fist or a hand become

realized? Did Maharaj stop smoking,

became less demanding, or impatient?

He, and many others seemed to retain

many rough mind edges after realization.

 

So to pursue the metaphor further, realization

could be viewed as the unclenched brain, the

opening of the fist of intellectualization, into

an open hand of mental acceptance. The

fist will form again, but now the brain is

not lock into a chronic rigor of separation.

 

Pete

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

>

> I think that the concept of mind becomes

> an added difficulty when we think of it

> as an organ, like the stomach, which is

> always there whether empty, or full.

>

> The mind is a function of the brain,

> like a fist is a function of the hand.

> Where does the fist go when we open

> our hand? Can a fist or a hand become

> realized? Did Maharaj stop smoking,

> became less demanding, or impatient?

> He, and many others seemed to retain

> many rough mind edges after realization.

>

> So to pursue the metaphor further, realization

> could be viewed as the unclenched brain, the

> opening of the fist of intellectualization, into

> an open hand of mental acceptance. The

> fist will form again, but now the brain is

> not lock into a chronic rigor of separation.

>

> Pete

>

 

 

I agree. Let the brain release. Give it a break. Sure, it can grasp

" things " again, later, but, it doesn't have to be constricted all the

time with mindless thought. The mind itself is merely thought, anyway,

an ephemeron. Just leave it be until it settles into its natural state

and, then, everything will be just fine.

 

dannyc

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Some mystical teachers use the term mind

much as Nis would use the term Absolute.

One such is the Zen master Huang Po.

 

Huang Po on Mind:

 

Only awake to the One Mind and there is nothing

whatever to be attained.

 

This pure Mind, the source of everything, shines

forever and on all with the brilliance of its own

perfection. But the people of the world do not awake

to it, regarding only that which sees, hears, feels

and knows as mind.... If they would only eliminate

all conceptual thought in a flash, that source-

substance would manifest itself like a sun....

 

- Huang Po

 

When the people of the world hear it said that the

Buddhas transmit the Doctrine of the Mind, they

suppose that there is something to be attained or

realized apart from Mind, and thereupon they use

Mind to seek the Dharma [the Way], not knowing that

Mind and the object of their search are one. Mind

cannot be used to search for something from Mind....

 

.... Mind is transmitted with Mind and those Minds do

not differ. Transmitting and receiving transmission

are both a most difficult kind of mysterious

understanding, so that few indeed have been able to

receive it. In fact, however, Mind is not Mind and

transmission is not really transmission.

 

- Huang Po

 

To insist that a term like " mind " must mean a certain

thing is a form of intellectualism to be avoided,

in my opinion. In a recent post about " The Ground

and the Jar " I treated the term mind much as Huang Po

does above. But I have also used the term in a manner

corresponding more closely to your use below.

To be concerned about which is " right " is to be

stuck in concepts (or mind!). It is not about concepts,

ideas, and such. " It " is like quicksilver, slipping

through the fingers. Call it mind/Mind, Self, the

" unqualified state " ... it doesn't matter. " It " knows

how to talk about " Itself " as " It " will and is

utterly unconcerned as to the demands of " minds "

that in frustration find the thread inscrutable.

 

Bill

 

 

Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

>

> I think that the concept of mind becomes

> an added difficulty when we think of it

> as an organ, like the stomach, which is

> always there whether empty, or full.

>

> The mind is a function of the brain,

> like a fist is a function of the hand.

> Where does the fist go when we open

> our hand? Can a fist or a hand become

> realized? Did Maharaj stop smoking,

> became less demanding, or impatient?

> He, and many others seemed to retain

> many rough mind edges after realization.

>

> So to pursue the metaphor further, realization

> could be viewed as the unclenched brain, the

> opening of the fist of intellectualization, into

> an open hand of mental acceptance. The

> fist will form again, but now the brain is

> not lock into a chronic rigor of separation.

>

> Pete

>

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Nisargadatta

Monday, December 26, 2005 12:26 AM

Re: Re: Mind & No Mind

 

 

In a message dated 12/25/2005 7:52:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,

dannyc_1eyeluv writes:

 

 

I agree. Let the brain release. Give it a break. Sure, it can grasp

" things " again, later, but, it doesn't have to be constricted all the

time with mindless thought. The mind itself is merely thought, anyway,

an ephemeron. Just leave it be until it settles into its natural state

and, then, everything will be just fine.

 

dannyc

 

 

The relationship between the brain and mind is not clear. Perhaps one can

say that the brain produces the sensation of mind, and mind produces the

sensation of thought. The question of self-identity cannot be answered in

considering either thoughts or mind, but rather as Danny suggests, by

releasing tension

stored in the muscles and nerves of the brain itself. By meditation,

stillness, relaxation, warm bathing, massage and proper nutrition, the brain

as living

tissue, settles into its natural state and the result is happiness,

contentment and joy, a natural condition.

 

Larry Epston

www.epston.com

 

 

Good Morning Beloveds,

 

I would say this, our absolute unassailable natural condition is joy/bliss.

Our body-thoughts

predicated upon survival fostered by learrnings gleaned from the usual

suspects: society, parents,

family, religion, sex, ancestry, geographic location, etc. are mere

disturbances upon the still waters of Being.

 

Being is the vibration of Harmony with the Universe, What Is. This Harmony

feels like Bliss/Joy.

 

I Am This Bliss/Joy in the natural state of wo/man.

 

Love,

Ana

 

 

 

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