Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:53:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, nli10u writes: > I'm not sure I understand. Sure, everything's perfect as it is, which > doesn't imply it is to remain as it is. Are you saying you don't experience > > anything missing; no desire; no longing? Or are you suggesting there's no > existence > beyond the illusion of life? Or are you suggesting there is no purpose? > > Phil If you really get, " everythings perfect as it is, " you've understood something very difficult and important. And I agree that is doesn't at all imply things remain as they are because this perfection contains changes, but in the moment. None of that. It is a really simple thing. you know how new Christians claim there is an emptyness that only Christ can fill. Or Tony was talking about a feeling of incompleteness that drives the search for truth? To me, none of that exists. It is just talk and imagination. There is no gap or emptyness that needs to be filled. But there are various emotions that give that kind of feeling. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 - epston Nisargadatta Monday, December 26, 2005 7:33 AM Phil-Detaisl About Perfection In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:53:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, nli10u writes: > I'm not sure I understand. Sure, everything's perfect as it is, which > doesn't imply it is to remain as it is. Are you saying you don't experience > > anything missing; no desire; no longing? Or are you suggesting there's no > existence > beyond the illusion of life? Or are you suggesting there is no purpose? > > Phil If you really get, " everythings perfect as it is, " you've understood something very difficult and important. And I agree that is doesn't at all imply things remain as they are because this perfection contains changes, but in the moment. None of that. It is a really simple thing. you know how new Christians claim there is an emptyness that only Christ can fill. Or Tony was talking about a feeling of incompleteness that drives the search for truth? To me, none of that exists. It is just talk and imagination. There is no gap or emptyness that needs to be filled. But there are various emotions that give that kind of feeling. Larry That's just it Larry, the thinking of __________(filling in all the blanks) is what Life is until Life fulfills itself in and of by itself, As This Isness of Is who I Am. As I Am, Free to Be. It is ALL-Inclusive LOVE. Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 In a message dated 12/26/2005 11:39:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: epston Phil-Detaisl About Perfection In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:53:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, nli10u writes: > I'm not sure I understand. Sure, everything's perfect as it is, which > doesn't imply it is to remain as it is. Are you saying you don't experience > > anything missing; no desire; no longing? Or are you suggesting there's no > existence > beyond the illusion of life? Or are you suggesting there is no purpose? > > Phil If you really get, " everythings perfect as it is, " you've understood something very difficult and important. And I agree that is doesn't at all imply things remain as they are because this perfection contains changes, but in the moment. None of that. It is a really simple thing. you know how new Christians claim there is an emptyness that only Christ can fill. Or Tony was talking about a feeling of incompleteness that drives the search for truth? To me, none of that exists. It is just talk and imagination. There is no gap or emptyness that needs to be filled. But there are various emotions that give that kind of feeling. Larry Okay, I see. I agree that there are feelings of need/desire, if that's what you're referring to, but I don't dismiss them as normal human things and leave it at that. (You didn't say, but possibly that's your view.) When I examine desire, I find that it evolves along with our spiritual evolution. It may begin as a need for safety and control, evolve to a desire for affluence and power, and then become a desire to be happy with the understanding that the world will never fully accommodate that desire. This is when most spiritual seekers start seriously looking for God. Ultimately, it's recognized that seeking the truth in the context of ego can greatly reduce suffering and bring a greater peace and joy. The seeker often 'falls in love' with Truth at this point, which is actually Ultimate Reality, God. This desire for God is often experienced as a deep longing. This longing is really the longing for wholeness; for completeness; for the deep knowing that we were never apart from anyone or anything to begin with. If we follow it back yet one more step, we notice that the entire illusion itself is predicated on unwholeness and could not exist but by virtue of it's nature as lack. And so, to me, by it's nature, the illusion instills a sense of lack, which is translated by the human according to his own level of consciousness. It does, however, drive the entire illusion in a search for Self. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 In a message dated 12/27/2005 12:01:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > Okay, I see. I agree that there are feelings of need/desire, if that's what > > you're referring to, but I don't dismiss them as normal human things and > leave > it at that. (You didn't say, but possibly that's your view.) > > When I examine desire, I find that it evolves along with our spiritual > evolution. It may begin as a need for safety and control, evolve to a desire > for > affluence and power, and then become a desire to be happy with the > understanding that the world will never fully accommodate that desire. This > is when most > spiritual seekers start seriously looking for God. > > Ultimately, it's recognized that seeking the truth in the context of ego > can > greatly reduce suffering and bring a greater peace and joy. The seeker often > > 'falls in love' with Truth at this point, which is actually Ultimate > Reality, > God. This desire for God is often experienced as a deep longing. This > longing is really the longing for wholeness; for completeness; for the deep > knowing > that we were never apart from anyone or anything to begin with. > > If we follow it back yet one more step, we notice that the entire illusion > itself is predicated on unwholeness and could not exist but by virtue of > it's > nature as lack. > > And so, to me, by it's nature, the illusion instills a sense of lack, which > > is translated by the human according to his own level of consciousness. It > does, however, drive the entire illusion in a search for Self. > > Phil > > > NO! Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 In a message dated 12/27/2005 10:01:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: epston Re: Phil-Detaisl About Perfection In a message dated 12/27/2005 12:01:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > Okay, I see. I agree that there are feelings of need/desire, if that's what > > you're referring to, but I don't dismiss them as normal human things and > leave > it at that. (You didn't say, but possibly that's your view.) > > When I examine desire, I find that it evolves along with our spiritual > evolution. It may begin as a need for safety and control, evolve to a desire > for > affluence and power, and then become a desire to be happy with the > understanding that the world will never fully accommodate that desire. This > is when most > spiritual seekers start seriously looking for God. > > Ultimately, it's recognized that seeking the truth in the context of ego > can > greatly reduce suffering and bring a greater peace and joy. The seeker often > > 'falls in love' with Truth at this point, which is actually Ultimate > Reality, > God. This desire for God is often experienced as a deep longing. This > longing is really the longing for wholeness; for completeness; for the deep > knowing > that we were never apart from anyone or anything to begin with. > > If we follow it back yet one more step, we notice that the entire illusion > itself is predicated on unwholeness and could not exist but by virtue of > it's > nature as lack. > > And so, to me, by it's nature, the illusion instills a sense of lack, which > > is translated by the human according to his own level of consciousness. It > does, however, drive the entire illusion in a search for Self. > > Phil > > > NO! Larry Very thought provoking. Hehe. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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