Understanding - Franklin Jones - [Therefore, Eat attention In the Heart]

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Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

wrote:

>

> FRANKLIN: Everyone has understood?

>

> QUESTION: I haven't understood. Explain it to me.

>

> FRANKLIN: Very good. What haven't you understood?

>

> QUESTION: Well, you said " Did everybody understand? " and everyone

> seemed to understand but me. Would you explain it to me?

>

> FRANKLIN: Explain what?

>

> QUESTION: Well, you could start with the word " understanding. "

>

> FRANKLIN: Yes. There is a disturbance, dissatisfaction, some

> sensation that motivates a man to go to a teacher, read a book about

> philosophy, believe something, or do yoga. What we ordinarily think

> of as spirituality or religion is a way to get free of that

> sensation, that suffering that motivates us. So all paths, yogic

> methods, forms of seeking, beliefs, religion, grow out of this

> sensation, this subtle suffering. Ultimately, all these paths are

> attempting to get free of that sensation. That is the traditional

> goal. So all men are seeking, whether or not they are very

> sophisticated about it, using very specific methods, yoga,

> philosophy, religion, whatever.

>

> When that whole process of seeking begins to break down, the man no

> longer quite has the edge of his search left. He begins to suspect

> himself. He begins to doubt the whole process of his search. Then he

> is no longer fascinated with his search, his method, his yoga, his

> religion, his ordinary teacher. His attention begins to turn to this

> sensation that motivates his entire search.

>

> When a man begins to re cognize, consciously to know again that

> subtle motivation, this is what I call " understanding. " When he

> begins to see again the subtle forms of his own action, which are his

> suffering, that recognition is understanding. When this becomes

> absolute, perfect, when there is utterly, absolutely no dilemma, no

> form in consciousness interpreting the nature of existence to the

> individual, when there is no contraction, no fundamental suffering,

> no thing prior to consciousness, this is what I call " radical "

> understanding.

>

> There is a subtle contraction in the process of man, and it

> constantly changes the quality of consciousness. It creates the

> identification of consciousness with the contracted sense. That form,

> that body, that mentality. And in that act of identification, it

> differentiates itself from other forms, other beings. Then the rest

> of life is spent, through exploitation of the movement of desire, to

> overcome that creation. Through the movement that is desire we seek

> constantly to create a connection, a flow of force between the

> contracted identity and everything from which it has differentiated

> itself. Yoga, religion, spirituality, philosophy, all our strategies,

> even our simple psychological strategies, our lifestyles, have this

> same form. They are all attempts to release energy between this

> contracted, separated one and all from which it is differentiated.

> Thus, all ordinary activity is founded in this dilemma, this self

> created contraction.

>

> Traditional spiritual life is a search in this same form. There is

> dilemma, and there is the spiritual method, which is an attempt to

> overcome this dilemma. When the individual begins to see again the

> dilemma that motivates his method, that seeing is understanding. As

> long as he is simply seeking and has all kinds of motivation,

> fascination with his search, this is not understanding. This is

> dilemma itself. But where this dilemma is understood, there is the re

> cognition of a structure in consciousness, a separation. And when

> that separation is observed more and more directly, the person begins

> to see that what he is suffering is not something happening to him,

> but it is his own action. It is as if he is pinching himself without

> being aware of it.

>

> The root of spirituality is not some activity like desire that seeks

> to

> get you to the super Object. Genuine spirituality is understanding of

> the whole process of motivation. It is to recognize the root of it,

> this contraction, this separation. When you no longer have any more

> options, when you have worn yourself out doing your number, and you

> have tried all the trips and methods, paths and lifestyles,

> strategies and places to go, all the forms of concentration, whatever

> they are, then all of that begins to break down. You discover that

> you just don't have the jazz left to really carry it on any more. You

> find yourself more depressed, just a little bit too much depressed to

> meditate or to hunt for sex. You just don't have the jazz, the

> necessary fire of motivation. Then upsetness begins to overwhelm you.

> The crisis begins to come on. You don't really have a path anymore.

> You may talk a lot about it, feel a lot about it. It remains a part

> of your mind, but you don't really have a path any longer. That is

> really the most hopeful sign. The guy is beginning to rot! When fruit

> begins to rot, then it falls with seed into the earth. But as long as

> a man is very righteous, as long as he has got his trip, he is not

> ripe. It is only when the trip begins to kick him in the face that he

> begins to soften up, bruise a little bit, feel his fear, his

> suffering, his dilemma, this constant upset of all our mortality.

>

> We are all going to die. We are all going to lose this awareness,

> this enjoyment. I can't endure that dilemma from day to day. From the

> moment I was born, that upset me. I wasn't the least interested in

> tolerating moment to moment existence as that kind of suffering. Life

> wasn't worth the involvement if its summation had to be death, zero.

> What difference does it make ho w turned on I can get if I must fall

> out the bottom, arbitrarily. Everything is wonderful today. But you

> wake up tomorro w and the world of lovely friends is delivered to you

> dead, the insane parcels of everything disappearing. So all

> righteousness, all ordinary spirituality or the search for

> consolation is nonsense. It is a refusal. It is unreal.

>

> The usual perception is that of the agonizing fact of identification,

> the act that is ego, this refusal of one another, this lovelessness,

> and this living craziness. And all of your ordinary processes are

> bound up with that craziness, until you begin to get sick of it. Then

> you are no longer talking about your 'trip, " your yoga, how groovy it

> is and how you're going to get there, everything is so soul

> beautiful, and all this crap. You will become obsessed with your

> darkness, your heaviness. You will try to feel good, but you know you

> feel lousy. You really feel upset. It is really bad, it is really an

> annoyance. You are only upset, so what difference does the search

> make? If you go through that long enough, you begin really to get

> upset, and your meditation becomes concentration on your upset.

> Whereas before you were al ways doing your number to avoid that

> upset, now you can't do anything but be upset. And while you are

> meditating on your upsetness, you happen to get involved here, in

> this Ashram, and you get even more and more upset all the time. You

> come to me, and I make you more upset. You think you are supposed to

> be having a very groovy spiritual experience here, becoming more and

> more turned on. But when you come around, people yell at you. They

> call your attention to your crazy number. You are trying to do your

> best, but everybody is hitting you over the head. All such experience

> is very aggravating, but it begins to reinforce the real meditation

> that has now started to go on in you. It is this crisis, this falling

> apart, this rot. And it will persist, until you begin to observe,

> somehow, this activity of yours.

>

> When you begin to see what you are doing, when you begin to re

> cognize it, you will see it first of all in very direct, human terms.

> You will see it in the simple, human, practical things that you do.

> Later, you will begin to see it in subtler ways. You will observe the

> whole quality of your mind, your ordinary activity, your game, the

> drama, the event that is always going on, until you begin to see it

> most precisely and in a very subtle way. When you see it absolutely,

> that is radical understanding. When you see the thing itself, the

> simple thing, that is the end of it. You fall apart. You scream, or

> you can t say anything, but it just ends. All of a sudden the whole

> process is not going on anymore. And this apparent event, unlike all

> other apparent forms of action in the manifest worlds, is not

> followed by a re action.

>

> People do in fact tend to use the enquiry as a " method. " They may

> read about it, or they may even have begun to engage themselves in

> the preliminary stages of life in the Ashram, and they begin

> to " meditate " by using this form of enquiry or some other form of

> looking at themselves. But in such cases, enquiry is always used in

> the spirit of method and seeking. Everything tends to become the

> search, until understanding or real intelligence is alive. But even

> though such people are going on with all of that, still doing their

> number, if they are involved in the conditions of this work,

> everything will eventually break down. If only a person has the

> endurance for it, or the need for it, the looseness for it, or only

> the inability to go out and play his game again, whatever it is. Some

> such inner quality must keep a man or woman in place, so this work

> can take hold in them.

>

 

 

" I Said: What is to be Understood is attention itself.

 

" I Said: Attention is self-Contraction, and all objects and others (or

all " things " ) are its Illusions.

 

" I Said: The Ultimate (and Inherently Perfect) Practice of the Way of

the Heart Is Release of the Motive that Moves to " things " .

 

" I Said: The Ultimate (and Inherently Perfect) Practice of the Way of

the Heart Is To Stand Free of " things " and To Swoon In Consciousness

Itself.

 

" I Said: Therefore, Let attention Collapse from the Circle of " things "

and Fall To Infinity In the Heart-Current of Merely Being. "

 

(excerpt from " The Lion Sutra " by Adi Da, verses 27-31, 1995 edition).

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Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

<dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

>>

> " I Said: Therefore, Let attention Collapse from the Circle of " things "

> and Fall To Infinity In the Heart-Current of Merely Being. "

>

 

**********

It can't be *done*. Only understanding avails, such that collapsing

becomes an automaticity.

 

Judi

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Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> >>

> > " I Said: Therefore, Let attention Collapse from the Circle of " things "

> > and Fall To Infinity In the Heart-Current of Merely Being. "

> >

>

> **********

> It can't be *done*. Only understanding avails, such that collapsing

> becomes an automaticity.

>

> Judi

>

 

You do " understand " that the same person who wrote " Understanding "

(excerpted from " The Method of the Siddhas " ) also wrote the quote

above, excerpted from " The Lion Sutra " , no?

 

dannyc

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Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

<dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > >>

> > > " I Said: Therefore, Let attention Collapse from the Circle

of " things "

> > > and Fall To Infinity In the Heart-Current of Merely Being. "

> > >

> >

> > **********

> > It can't be *done*. Only understanding avails, such that

collapsing

> > becomes an automaticity.

> >

> > Judi

> >

>

> You do " understand " that the same person who wrote " Understanding "

> (excerpted from " The Method of the Siddhas " ) also wrote the quote

> above, excerpted from " The Lion Sutra " , no?

>

> dannyc

>

 

***********

Yes, and he was obviously pulling somebody's leg by saying that, it

can't be done. He says all sorts of shit that only serves to confuse

the issue. That's why I can't recommend his books. But I can parse

through them and pull out the good stuff. That's why I get paid the

big bucks. :-)

 

Judi

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Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > > " I Said: Therefore, Let attention Collapse from the Circle

> of " things "

> > > > and Fall To Infinity In the Heart-Current of Merely Being. "

> > > >

> > >

> > > **********

> > > It can't be *done*. Only understanding avails, such that

> collapsing

> > > becomes an automaticity.

> > >

> > > Judi

> > >

> >

> > You do " understand " that the same person who wrote " Understanding "

> > (excerpted from " The Method of the Siddhas " ) also wrote the quote

> > above, excerpted from " The Lion Sutra " , no?

> >

> > dannyc

> >

>

> ***********

> Yes, and he was obviously pulling somebody's leg by saying that, it

> can't be done. He says all sorts of shit that only serves to confuse

> the issue. That's why I can't recommend his books. But I can parse

> through them and pull out the good stuff. That's why I get paid the

> big bucks. :-)

>

> Judi

>

 

 

I let attention collapse and fall into the infinity of being quite

often. What's the problem?

 

dannyc

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Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

<dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

>

>> > >

> > ***********

> > Yes, and he was obviously pulling somebody's leg by saying that,

it

> > can't be done. He says all sorts of shit that only serves to

confuse

> > the issue. That's why I can't recommend his books. But I can

parse

> > through them and pull out the good stuff. That's why I get paid

the

> > big bucks. :-)

> >

> > Judi

> >

>

>

> I let attention collapse and fall into the infinity of being quite

> often. What's the problem?

>

> dannyc

>

*********

No problem, it's just a game you play with yourself.

Masturbation only.

 

Like someone told me years ago, you couldn't pound shit into a rat

hole. :-)

 

Judi

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Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> >

> >> > >

> > > ***********

> > > Yes, and he was obviously pulling somebody's leg by saying that,

> it

> > > can't be done. He says all sorts of shit that only serves to

> confuse

> > > the issue. That's why I can't recommend his books. But I can

> parse

> > > through them and pull out the good stuff. That's why I get paid

> the

> > > big bucks. :-)

> > >

> > > Judi

> > >

> >

> >

> > I let attention collapse and fall into the infinity of being quite

> > often. What's the problem?

> >

> > dannyc

> >

> *********

> No problem, it's just a game you play with yourself.

> Masturbation only.

>

> Like someone told me years ago, you couldn't pound shit into a rat

> hole. :-)

>

> Judi

>

 

 

 

Hey, whatever you wanna do in the privacy of your home is up to you.

God luv ya. Hang in there.

 

dannyc

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Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

<dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > >

> > >> > >

> > > > ***********

> > > > Yes, and he was obviously pulling somebody's leg by saying

that,

> > it

> > > > can't be done. He says all sorts of shit that only serves to

> > confuse

> > > > the issue. That's why I can't recommend his books. But I can

> > parse

> > > > through them and pull out the good stuff. That's why I get

paid

> > the

> > > > big bucks. :-)

> > > >

> > > > Judi

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I let attention collapse and fall into the infinity of being

quite

> > > often. What's the problem?

> > >

> > > dannyc

> > >

> > *********

> > No problem, it's just a game you play with yourself.

> > Masturbation only.

> >

> > Like someone told me years ago, you couldn't pound shit into a

rat

> > hole. :-)

> >

> > Judi

> >

>

>

>

> Hey, whatever you wanna do in the privacy of your home is up to you.

> God luv ya. Hang in there.

>

> dannyc

>

 

************

No, you keep missing the point. There is no " doer " .

 

And as such... " you " couldn't pound shit into a rat hole.

 

It can't be " done " .

 

Judi

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Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >> > >

> > > > > ***********

> > > > > Yes, and he was obviously pulling somebody's leg by saying

> that,

> > > it

> > > > > can't be done. He says all sorts of shit that only serves to

> > > confuse

> > > > > the issue. That's why I can't recommend his books. But I can

> > > parse

> > > > > through them and pull out the good stuff. That's why I get

> paid

> > > the

> > > > > big bucks. :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Judi

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I let attention collapse and fall into the infinity of being

> quite

> > > > often. What's the problem?

> > > >

> > > > dannyc

> > > >

> > > *********

> > > No problem, it's just a game you play with yourself.

> > > Masturbation only.

> > >

> > > Like someone told me years ago, you couldn't pound shit into a

> rat

> > > hole. :-)

> > >

> > > Judi

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hey, whatever you wanna do in the privacy of your home is up to you.

> > God luv ya. Hang in there.

> >

> > dannyc

> >

>

> ************

> No, you keep missing the point. There is no " doer " .

>

> And as such... " you " couldn't pound shit into a rat hole.

>

> It can't be " done " .

>

> Judi

>

 

 

How can I " miss the point " when there is no " me " here to " do " it? ;-)

 

dannyc

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Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

<dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes "

<judirhodes@c...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > > > ***********

> > > > > > Yes, and he was obviously pulling somebody's leg by

saying

> > that,

> > > > it

> > > > > > can't be done. He says all sorts of shit that only serves

to

> > > > confuse

> > > > > > the issue. That's why I can't recommend his books. But I

can

> > > > parse

> > > > > > through them and pull out the good stuff. That's why I

get

> > paid

> > > > the

> > > > > > big bucks. :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Judi

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I let attention collapse and fall into the infinity of

being

> > quite

> > > > > often. What's the problem?

> > > > >

> > > > > dannyc

> > > > >

> > > > *********

> > > > No problem, it's just a game you play with yourself.

> > > > Masturbation only.

> > > >

> > > > Like someone told me years ago, you couldn't pound shit into

a

> > rat

> > > > hole. :-)

> > > >

> > > > Judi

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey, whatever you wanna do in the privacy of your home is up to

you.

> > > God luv ya. Hang in there.

> > >

> > > dannyc

> > >

> >

> > ************

> > No, you keep missing the point. There is no " doer " .

> >

> > And as such... " you " couldn't pound shit into a rat hole.

> >

> > It can't be " done " .

> >

> > Judi

> >

>

>

> How can I " miss the point " when there is no " me " here to " do " it? ;-

)

>

> dannyc

>

 

************

I'm not here to play games with you Danny, you either get my point or

you don't. And obviously you don't or you wouldn't come back with

such an ignorant statement, much less trying to cover it up with

coyness, which only compounds it.

 

Judi

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Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes "

> <judirhodes@c...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv "

> > > > > <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > ***********

> > > > > > > Yes, and he was obviously pulling somebody's leg by

> saying

> > > that,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > can't be done. He says all sorts of shit that only serves

> to

> > > > > confuse

> > > > > > > the issue. That's why I can't recommend his books. But I

> can

> > > > > parse

> > > > > > > through them and pull out the good stuff. That's why I

> get

> > > paid

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > big bucks. :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Judi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I let attention collapse and fall into the infinity of

> being

> > > quite

> > > > > > often. What's the problem?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dannyc

> > > > > >

> > > > > *********

> > > > > No problem, it's just a game you play with yourself.

> > > > > Masturbation only.

> > > > >

> > > > > Like someone told me years ago, you couldn't pound shit into

> a

> > > rat

> > > > > hole. :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Judi

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hey, whatever you wanna do in the privacy of your home is up to

> you.

> > > > God luv ya. Hang in there.

> > > >

> > > > dannyc

> > > >

> > >

> > > ************

> > > No, you keep missing the point. There is no " doer " .

> > >

> > > And as such... " you " couldn't pound shit into a rat hole.

> > >

> > > It can't be " done " .

> > >

> > > Judi

> > >

> >

> >

> > How can I " miss the point " when there is no " me " here to " do " it? ;-

> )

> >

> > dannyc

> >

>

> ************

> I'm not here to play games with you Danny, you either get my point or

> you don't. And obviously you don't or you wouldn't come back with

> such an ignorant statement, much less trying to cover it up with

> coyness, which only compounds it.

>

> Judi

>

 

 

If you're not here to play games with me, then, why do you keep

playing these games with me?

 

dannyc

[Guest guest]

> > ************

> > I'm not here to play games with you Danny, you either get my point or

> > you don't. And obviously you don't or you wouldn't come back with

> > such an ignorant statement, much less trying to cover it up with

> > coyness, which only compounds it.

> >

> > Judi

> >

>

>

> If you're not here to play games with me, then, why do you keep

> playing these games with me?

>

> dannyc

>

>>>>>>>>>>>

 

But Danny, you just don't know how to *play*.

If you don't realized that you have been totally

humiliated and reduced to scum, well then,

*you just don't get it*!

 

 

Bill