Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip onto.... Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When the mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has reached the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it reaches the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the mind has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is still there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the climbing. >>>> Fabulous. When the mind comes to the " end " recognizing the utter futility, a great time to do the laundry! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Hmm, But how can it do the laundry when it just sees waves and energy ? Werner Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> wrote: > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip onto.... > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When the > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has reached > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it reaches > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the mind > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is still > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the climbing. > >>>> > > Fabulous. > > When the mind comes to the " end " > recognizing the utter futility, > a great time to do the laundry! > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Like I said, Werner, you have to be there. Perhaps you are stuck in your head? Bill Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hmm, > > But how can it do the laundry when it just sees waves and energy ? > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > wrote: > > > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip onto.... > > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When the > > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has > reached > > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by > > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has > > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it reaches > > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the mind > > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is still > > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the climbing. > > >>>> > > > > Fabulous. > > > > When the mind comes to the " end " > > recognizing the utter futility, > > a great time to do the laundry! > > > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> wrote: > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip onto.... > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When the > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has reached > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it reaches > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the mind > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is still > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the climbing. > >>>> > > Fabulous. > > When the mind comes to the " end " > recognizing the utter futility, > a great time to do the laundry! Phil, Hi! While " doing " the laundry, I realized that it was doing itself. I watched it happen. This space I call " me " is the capacity for laundry getting done. Mind and body and laundry are one. They move while " I " stand completely still. The whole universe moves in " me! " Silver > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 No,no, Bill, I am stuck in your head Werner Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> wrote: > > Like I said, Werner, you have to be there. > > Perhaps you are stuck in your head? > > Bill > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Hmm, > > > > But how can it do the laundry when it just sees waves and energy ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > > wrote: > > > > > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip onto.... > > > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When the > > > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has > > reached > > > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by > > > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has > > > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it reaches > > > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the mind > > > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is still > > > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the climbing. > > > >>>> > > > > > > Fabulous. > > > > > > When the mind comes to the " end " > > > recognizing the utter futility, > > > a great time to do the laundry! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Good Werner. Hang in there. It will all come out in the wash. Bill Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > No,no, Bill, > > I am stuck in your head > > Werner > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > wrote: > > > > Like I said, Werner, you have to be there. > > > > Perhaps you are stuck in your head? > > > > Bill > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Hmm, > > > > > > But how can it do the laundry when it just sees waves and energy ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > <illieusion@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip > onto.... > > > > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When > the > > > > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has > > > reached > > > > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by > > > > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has > > > > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it > reaches > > > > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the > mind > > > > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is > still > > > > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the > climbing. > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > Fabulous. > > > > > > > > When the mind comes to the " end " > > > > recognizing the utter futility, > > > > a great time to do the laundry! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Lol, Werner. The truth is both you and Bill are stuck in my head. You know, come to think of it, I can't see my head. What am I pointing to when I look at my finger pointing at my face? There's nothing there! I've lost my head. I don't have a face. There's just this empty space filled with material and mental things. Oh, oh. Help. :| Silver Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > No,no, Bill, > > I am stuck in your head > > Werner > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > wrote: > > > > Like I said, Werner, you have to be there. > > > > Perhaps you are stuck in your head? > > > > Bill > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Hmm, > > > > > > But how can it do the laundry when it just sees waves and energy ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > <illieusion@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip > onto.... > > > > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When > the > > > > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has > > > reached > > > > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by > > > > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has > > > > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it > reaches > > > > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the > mind > > > > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is > still > > > > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the > climbing. > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > Fabulous. > > > > > > > > When the mind comes to the " end " > > > > recognizing the utter futility, > > > > a great time to do the laundry! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Wow, Silver, The whole Universe moves in you, don't you get dizzy ? Why always inviting the Universe with every little fart we do ? Werner Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > wrote: > > > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip onto.... > > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When the > > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has > reached > > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by > > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has > > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it reaches > > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the mind > > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is still > > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the climbing. > > >>>> > > > > Fabulous. > > > > When the mind comes to the " end " > > recognizing the utter futility, > > a great time to do the laundry! > > Phil, > > Hi! While " doing " the laundry, I realized that it was doing itself. > I watched it happen. This space I call " me " is the capacity for > laundry getting done. Mind and body and laundry are one. They move > while " I " stand completely still. The whole universe moves in " me! " > > Silver > > > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > wrote: > > > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip onto.... > > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When the > > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has > reached > > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by > > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has > > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it reaches > > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the mind > > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is still > > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the climbing. > > >>>> > > > > Fabulous. > > > > When the mind comes to the " end " > > recognizing the utter futility, > > a great time to do the laundry! > > Phil, > > Hi! While " doing " the laundry, I realized that it was doing itself. > I watched it happen. This space I call " me " is the capacity for > laundry getting done. Mind and body and laundry are one. They move > while " I " stand completely still. The whole universe moves in " me! " > > Silver > > dreaming about an " universe " ...? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Right Silver, we are stuck in each other's heads. Its a funny world. BTW, I am also a fan of Douglas Harding. Werner Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Lol, Werner. The truth is both you and Bill are stuck in my head. > > You know, come to think of it, I can't see my head. What am I > pointing to when I look at my finger pointing at my face? There's > nothing there! I've lost my head. I don't have a face. There's > just this empty space filled with material and mental things. Oh, > oh. Help. :| > > Silver > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > No,no, Bill, > > > > I am stuck in your head > > > > Werner > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Like I said, Werner, you have to be there. > > > > > > Perhaps you are stuck in your head? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hmm, > > > > > > > > But how can it do the laundry when it just sees waves and > energy ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > > <illieusion@h...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip > > onto.... > > > > > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? > When > > the > > > > > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has > > > > reached > > > > > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step > by > > > > > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It > has > > > > > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it > > reaches > > > > > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the > > mind > > > > > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is > > still > > > > > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the > > climbing. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Fabulous. > > > > > > > > > > When the mind comes to the " end " > > > > > recognizing the utter futility, > > > > > a great time to do the laundry! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Yeah, Douglas Harding! I just read a little bit of his stuff earlier tonight and I find it pretty interesting. No face. The headless way, he calls it. I never saw his stuff before tonight and strangely enough, I'm seeing it twice. It is a funny world. Silver Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Right Silver, we are stuck in each other's heads. Its a funny world. > BTW, I am also a fan of Douglas Harding. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > Lol, Werner. The truth is both you and Bill are stuck in my > head. > > > > You know, come to think of it, I can't see my head. What am I > > pointing to when I look at my finger pointing at my face? There's > > nothing there! I've lost my head. I don't have a face. There's > > just this empty space filled with material and mental things. Oh, > > oh. Help. :| > > > > Silver > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > No,no, Bill, > > > > > > I am stuck in your head > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > <illieusion@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Like I said, Werner, you have to be there. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you are stuck in your head? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, > > > > > > > > > > But how can it do the laundry when it just sees waves and > > energy ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > > > <illieusion@h...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip > > > onto.... > > > > > > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? > > When > > > the > > > > > > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it > has > > > > > reached > > > > > > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, > step > > by > > > > > > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It > > has > > > > > > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it > > > reaches > > > > > > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, > the > > > mind > > > > > > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is > > > still > > > > > > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the > > > climbing. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fabulous. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the mind comes to the " end " > > > > > > recognizing the utter futility, > > > > > > a great time to do the laundry! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 In a message dated 12/27/2005 1:53:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: The Jar, the Ground, etc. /Silver Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> wrote: > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip onto.... > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When the > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has reached > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it reaches > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the mind > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is still > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the climbing. > >>>> > > Fabulous. > > When the mind comes to the " end " > recognizing the utter futility, > a great time to do the laundry! Phil, Hi! While " doing " the laundry, I realized that it was doing itself. I watched it happen. This space I call " me " is the capacity for laundry getting done. Mind and body and laundry are one. They move while " I " stand completely still. The whole universe moves in " me! " Silver > > Bill Hidey Ho, Silver: I didn't say any of that stuff but I can identify with your comments. It's a shocking moment when one realizes that thinkingness is rarely necessary in order to accomplish most daily tasks. The mind can be left in idle, so to speak, and the task just seems to get done by itself. In fact, I came to realize that the 'errors' that used to occur while performing a task weren't due to a lack of concentration at all, but rather to a distraction from too many extraneous thoughts occurring, making a simple, automatic, thoughtless task, seem difficult. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 But doing the wash seems to be the problem, what with the waves and such. Hmmmm.....Quite a dilemma. Phil In a message dated 12/27/2005 1:53:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " " <illieusion Re: The Jar, the Ground, etc. /Silver Good Werner. Hang in there. It will all come out in the wash. Bill Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > No,no, Bill, > > I am stuck in your head > > Werner > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illieusion@h...> > wrote: > > > > Like I said, Werner, you have to be there. > > > > Perhaps you are stuck in your head? > > > > Bill > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Hmm, > > > > > > But how can it do the laundry when it just sees waves and energy ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > <illieusion@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ****I understand but there is nothing for my mind to grip > onto.... > > > > Hey, wait a minute! I think that's the point here, right? When > the > > > > mind realizes that there is nothing left to grip onto, it has > > > reached > > > > the last rung on the ladder: It has climbed to the top, step by > > > > step, and with each step taken it has reasserted itself. It has > > > > identified itself with the climbing of the ladder. When it > reaches > > > > the pinnacle where there are no more rungs left to climb, the > mind > > > > has nothing more to do but relax and accept it. The mind is > still > > > > there on the last rung but realizes it and rests from the > climbing. > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > Fabulous. > > > > > > > > When the mind comes to the " end " > > > > recognizing the utter futility, > > > > a great time to do the laundry! > > > > > > > > Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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