Before Next Christmas?

December 29, 2005

In a message dated 12/29/2005 2:54:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,

s.petersilge writes:

L.E: There may be no next Christmas. There is only Now, and today is not

Christmas.

> Stefan: The feast that we celebrate is as old as civilized humanity.

Civilized humanity is not very old compared to the beginning of the earth, or

the period of the dinosaurs.

Stefan: It is the celebration of light at the darkest time of the year.

L.E: Wouldn't it make more sense to cebebrate the dark at the darkest time

of the year, and to celebrate light at the lightest time of the years. And do

you realize how sophisticated it is that people even notice the cycle of the

seasons? Very recent.

Stefan: It is about the triumph of humanity.

L.E: I don't see much of a triumph in it. Except as acknowledging that

cycles exist and there is a sort of repitition in nature. There's really no

repitition in nature, but there is the illusion that there is.

Stefan: We carry the flame. Heaven and hell is nothing but an invention.

L.E: I agree, and that recognition is something of a triumph considering what

most people believe.

Stefan: We are the emperors. There is nobody above us. We

are all alone. Forgetting will not help, nor moaning. It is time to light the

flame, take it, stand up and overcome the idea of being the poor victim.

L.E: There he is, laying in the dirt, looking for food in garbage dumps,

slaughtering others over oil and property, Yeah for us, the emperers.

Stefan: And no, Mr. Jesus was not at all infallible, nor did he have no life.

He really drank his cup! Thats how it seems to me.

L.E: He got himself killed, over what? An invisible kindom that has never

appeared.

Futile, stupid.

Stefan: So, jammas, lets have a drink too. Lets drink the cup to the bitter

end and enjoy the taste. And lets spend a drink to the Christian hypocrites as

well,

because they certainly need one ;-)

L.E: Let's not drink at all. Water is enough, fruit juice. Why have a

bitter end. Is death a bitter end? Yes, enjoy life if you can, while you can,

and

if not, then suffer as most do.

Larry and Stefan

December 29, 2005

Larry,

you really interpreted a lot into my words! Man is able to light a

fire, thats all I cared to appreciate.

>L.E: There he is, laying in the dirt, looking for food in garbage

>dumps, slaughtering others over oil and property.

Yes, do you see now the bitter taste? Thats how life can be, if you

really drink the whole cup. Your suggestion to " forget " does not work,

as you can see yourself now. But how long will you go on complaining?

You are all alone, there is nobody you can make responsible, nobody to

save you, no holy emperor above you. No matter how hard you try to

keep up the illusions. So you could as well stand up, stop the moaning

and become your own emperor.

LiLoLa

Stefan

December 29, 2005

Shocking, Stefan,

Some romantic members here won't like it.

Anna instantly will write a beauriful poem addressed at the Beloved

to compensate the bite of your post

Werner

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...>

wrote:

>

> Larry,

>

> you really interpreted a lot into my words! Man is able to light a

> fire, thats all I cared to appreciate.

>

> >L.E: There he is, laying in the dirt, looking for food in garbage

> >dumps, slaughtering others over oil and property.

>

> Yes, do you see now the bitter taste? Thats how life can be, if you

> really drink the whole cup. Your suggestion to " forget " does not

work,

> as you can see yourself now. But how long will you go on

complaining?

> You are all alone, there is nobody you can make responsible, nobody

to

> save you, no holy emperor above you. No matter how hard you try to

> keep up the illusions. So you could as well stand up, stop the

moaning

> and become your own emperor.

>

> LiLoLa

> Stefan

>

December 30, 2005

Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige> wrote:

>

>well, my moaning and complaining is usually when I

>think that there is someboby else that should carrie

>me, do the work. When I realize that no one does it

>for me, I assume responsabilitie of my day, am not

>complaining any more. But that doesn`t mean that I

>become a ruler, I will never feel supreme or absolute

>yet I aknolwedge the existence of the absolute. can`t

>bypass that. Patricia

Very well said, Patricia. But, why the shyness to feel supreme? Isnt

the flowering of any blossom supreme and the flowering of " you " into

its natural state the absolute wonder? Just an idea... :-)

LoLiLa

Stefan

December 30, 2005

And that, too, will be appreciated.