Realisation of self-knowledge - - Is it not Salvation & a...

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In a message dated 12/30/2005 8:55:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,

dattapr2000 writes:

 

> Ofcourse, this attainment is intermediate state. This is only half of the

> journey. The rest half is to attain and please the Lord. The peace will be

> useful in the next half of the journey.

>

 

You see how it is never enough. Always further, always more. And those who

buy into this nonsense continue to surrer. They are in a box with no way out.

The bat grows longer. The journey increases in length. You will never get

there, but you can die trying.

It's much simpler than what he writes. Do not be confused.

He and the other like him want to control your life.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami

 

Avidya (ignorance) means ignorance of the soul

When Avidya is removed, the soul realizes

That it is water which is common with Eeswara

Water is common in the drop and in the ocean

 

Avidya means the ignorance of qualitative aspect

Maya means the ignorance of quantitative aspect

Maya exists as long as the space exists

Quantity is based on the space

 

A drop occupies little space

The ocean occupies large space

As long as space is existing

Both drop and ocean exist

 

When the Advaita philosopher is alive

Space exists and so the quantitative difference

When he dies also, space is still existing

Since his son here is seeing the space

 

The son cannot say that the space disappeared

For his father who died

Did the dead father tell his son about the space?

How can the son tell that unless he dies?

 

Space never disappears, be sure

Maya never disappears, Eeswara is eternal

This means, the ocean will never vanish

Eeswara called Mayi always exists

 

Mayi means Brahman possessing Maya

Maya means Prakriti as per Gita

Three qualities and five elements are Prakriti

Space is one of the five elements

 

Eeswara can never disappear

Therefore space also can never disappear

Maya is eternal and so Mayi is eternal

Jeeva is also eternal as quantity is eternal

 

What is the proof for the awareness also

To be present when space disappears?

Nobody and nothing exists in absence of space

So, the awareness also disappears

 

Awareness is the characteristic of a living being

Do you have awareness existing independently?

Awareness of awareness cannot exist

When awareness itself disappears

 

Therefore Brahman is not awareness

Because Brahman is beyond space

Sankara called awareness as Brahman

And told that you are Brahman

 

This is like a person be called a dog

And beat him as you can beat a dog

The word Brahman means only ‘Great’

Awareness is great, let it be called Brahman

 

All this was done by Sankara at that time

To turn Bhuddists who say everything is nothing

Sankara asked ‘Do you exist to grasp that nothing’?

Bhuddist replied ‘Yes, I exist to grasp that nothing’

 

Sankara asked ‘When you exist, how everything is nothing?

You are the awareness called as Brahman

Therefore accept that Brahman which exists’

Bhuddist thought that He is Eeswara and accepted

 

Yes, Bhuddist now says that Brahman exists

That was sufficient for Sankara in those days

And atheist says that Brahman exists!

He thinks that Brahman is Eeswara or God

 

Sankara told that when Maya is removed

Both Jeeva and Eeswara disappear, Brahman remains

When space disappears, drop and ocean disappear

For your information water, the Brahman also disappears

 

Let Brahman also disappear with Maya

Because we called awareness by the name Brahman

Actually awareness is not at all Brahman

Since Brahman is beyond space and imagination

 

Awareness and awareness of awareness

Both are imaginable words

So both are not Brahman

Brahman is beyond imagination

 

All this Maya is a play of Sankara

To bring the Bhuddist to the right path

For a Bhuddist everything is nothing

And so God is also nothing for him

 

Sankara Himself knows the truth

When He took bath in the sea at Puri

He says ‘Oh! Lord! Qualitative difference

Does not exist between you and me

 

But the quantitative difference exists between us

I belong to you, you do not belong to me

A wave is contained in the sea, no doubt

But the sea is not contained in a wave’.

 

(Satyapi Bhedapa gamee Natha Taavakeenoham Na Mamakastvam

Saamudrohi Tarangah Kvachidapi Nahi Samudrah Taarangah -Sankara)

 

The disciple of Sankara thought that he is Eeswara the ocean

The disciple is only Brahma, the water as per Sankara

Brahman is confused as Eeswara also

Brahman is both Eeswara and jeeva

As the water can be both ocean and the drop

 

Sankara swallowed the molten lead

To show that He is the Eeswara also

Who swallowed that Haala Hala poison

The disciple could not touch the molten lead

 

The advaita philosophers never touch

Sankara’s prayer at Puri and about the molten lead

They simply leave these two incidents

Because they are very inconvenient for them

 

Sankara is the ocean contained in the drop

He is the human incarnation of Siva by the power of Maya

He is both water and the ocean

He can say ‘I am Brahma’ and ‘I am Eeswara’

He appears as a drop like jeeva externally

 

A jeeva can say ‘I am Brahma’ and ‘I am jeeva’

Since he is water qualitatively and drop quantitatively

He can never say that he is Eeswara

Since he is only a human being and not human incarnation

Sankara told ‘Sivoham’ which means the He is Eeswara

 

Ajay:- Like this, Swami preached Lakshman

And asked him whether he wants a vision

 

Lakshman:-

Oh! Datta! you have cleared all my doubts perfectly

I am memorizing your gospel again and again

I am swimming in the infinite ocean of the bliss

I have no desire to have any vision

The divine knowledge itself is divine vision

 

I am pleased more for your thirst of knowledge

Knowledge is the true form of Brahman

Narayana means the abode of knowledge

He is ‘Ananta Padmanabha’, Ananta means infinite

Veda says that the true infinite knowledge is Brahman

 

Ajay:-

Swami said like this and blessed Lakshman

With a wonderful vision of Ananta Padmanabha

Lying in a horizontal position as Brahman

Then, Swami stood vertically and appeared as

Eeswara called ‘Viswaroopa’ with huge personality

 

Lakshman was immersed in the bliss

For several days he was remembering this

He was narrating about the vision several times

With pious tears and vibrating voice

 

posted by: His servant

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

epston wrote:

In a message dated 12/30/2005 8:55:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,

dattapr2000 writes:

 

You see how it is never enough. Always further, always more. And those who buy

into this nonsense continue to surrer. They are in a box with no way out.The

bat grows longer. The journey increases in length. You will never get there,

but you can die trying.

It's much simpler than what he writes. Do not be confused.He and the other like

him want to control your life. Larry Epston

 

 

 

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When Prakki delivers the messages of His Holiness Swami Datta, he

does so with utmost humility and with reverence for Parabrahma.

While I may not " buy into " his messages in their entirety, I sure do

respect and admire the class with which he delivers them!

 

Larry wrote, " It's much simpler than what he writes. Do not be

confused. " Well, let's have it, Larry. What is Your version of

Truth? Please step up to the microphone. Let's see if His Holiness

Larry Epston can deliver His own message with as much humility and

class.

 

" Silver "

 

Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 12/30/2005 8:55:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> dattapr2000 writes:

>

> > Ofcourse, this attainment is intermediate state. This is only

half of the

> > journey. The rest half is to attain and please the Lord. The

peace will be

> > useful in the next half of the journey.

> >

>

> You see how it is never enough. Always further, always more. And

those who

> buy into this nonsense continue to surrer. They are in a box with

no way out.

> The bat grows longer. The journey increases in length. You will

never get

> there, but you can die trying.

> It's much simpler than what he writes. Do not be confused.

> He and the other like him want to control your life.

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

>